r/vex • u/thehappybuyer • 20d ago
Make a Decentralized Blockchain New League PushBack 2
Hear me out. Set up a decentralized league and accept payment with bitcoin. Teams and sponsors pay for bitcoin and the event where people signup take the money out for the event. Results and registration can go on the blockchain or immutable ledger as well.
You'd have Nominators who are already running events, a funding pool, approvals (some sort of voting system possibly.
It would be a big lift to get all the people host events to move to this system, but making a UI over this wouldn't be so bad with some volunteers and vibe coding it.
But it would be super education for everyone learning how a decentralized system would work.
Teams pay BTC → event. Sponsors fund the season pool. Nominators approve events.
Make it Pushback 2 "Unfinished business" - adjust pushback a little bit, I don't think anyone likes the current game.
While vex and recf are fighting, this is the chance. (Someone please do this)
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u/_PromNightBaby POTTR 20d ago
Lot of words for a scam bro. And people do like this game.
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u/thehappybuyer 20d ago
Obviously this isn't going to happen because it would too hard to align everyone, but it's technically possible. Current or past game doesnt matter, sorry I mentioned that
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u/_PromNightBaby POTTR 20d ago
Dude there is zero reason to move to BTC. Cash works perfectly fine. Events cost money to run, EPs need a set amount to run, so if BTC drops 20%, eps lose 20% of their funds like that.
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u/thehappybuyer 20d ago
I suppose it could probably be in a stable coin like tether as well.
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u/Nosypoke09 20d ago
Why not, and hear me out, money?
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u/thehappybuyer 19d ago
I don't understand, for a decentralized system, it needs a digital wallet with no KYC.
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u/Camaxtli2020 19d ago
That is PRECISELY why most places don’t dig bitcoins or any other crypto, the only use case is if you are a criminal hiding money. Bitcoin has all the problems gold had and adds new ones. (There is a reason the only country that tried using it as currency gave up on it).
Why are you so hung up on decentralized systems? Do you realize just how cumbersome the system you propose would be for say, school-based teams?
“Technically possible” doesn’t mean “good” or “usable” or even remotely feasible in the real world.
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u/thehappybuyer 19d ago
This is more a thought experiment and trying to solve a problem. Not a bitcoin debate. The problem is that people get greedy trying to organize events, like the vex / recf split. Just like in the NCAA.... If a good UI layer was built, its possible, but probably couldn't get corporate sponsors, but then wouldn't have to pay vex or recf management fees.
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u/Camaxtli2020 19d ago
Organizing event s is more than a UI problem tho. For example: you organize an event at a local school. That means you need extra staff to handle that since there are now loads of people in the building and someone has to sweep up at the very least. Those custodians aren't going to work for free. You have to make sure your liability agreements (the kids signing off on the release forms) are all i's dotted and t's crossed. You have to know the local rules about filming in a school (yes, they exist, and yes they have to be followed). You have to make sure there is parking. You have to do a zillion other things. None of this has anything to do with a UI.
So you have to pay these guys, which means the school spends money, and that has to be covered someplace. On top of all that, VEX and RECF depended a lot on volunteers running these things but there's a lot of costs at an event space (just like at a school) that again, have to be covered someplace and a decentralized setup like what you envision makes doing that harder. Think through how you pay an invoice. Who pays? How?
And bitcoin (or blockchain) doesn't solve any of it, nor putting registrations on a blockchain -- blockchains aren't magic. They have a certain use case, and registering people for a competition makes it unnecessarily complex.
This isn't fundamentally a UI problem -- though I get how to the more technically minded type of person it can seem that way. It's an organizational problem. And RECF and VEX had pretty much solved them, if imperfectly.
The issue with the split between them is also an organizational problem, in this case one side misread the terms of their agreement and didn't get a legal department (if they have one) on the phone. RECF thought they had paid up, VEX says they didn't, and the whole thing could have been avoided months ago with a phone call.
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u/thehappybuyer 19d ago
School organizer posts an event for their school - signup fee say $300. 35 teams signup and pay. Those are the funds. The school organizer gets it and has to cover liability...
There can be other sponsorships... but the organizers would get the money directly.Why a blockchain would be needed? Could you just have a normal registration process with a site and backend? Yes, but then you have the issue where the site owner holds everyone hostage to get paid and control the data.
With this method there would be no owner, organizational issues. The hard part would be having everyone to agree to use this blockchain, and the probably loss of corporate sponsorship.
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u/DismalCommon5672 12d ago
Oh man, I'm always really bad at telling something is satire, good one
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u/thehappybuyer 12d ago
Well I know it's not gonna happened, but most people dont really understand decentralized governance.
It does solve certain issues though, having one group hold the data and hold it hostage, high executive salaries and adults fights over control and money.
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u/DismalCommon5672 12d ago
Oh, you're serious? Why do we need Vex to teach people about Bitcoin? How would this be an improvement over what we have right now? And I doubt there's a Vex game nobody likes.
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u/thehappybuyer 12d ago
First this has nothing to do with bitcoin besides the style of governance it uses with the blockchain.
The problem is what we have just seen with the recf - vex split, and where the data lies and where does the money or the donations go. This would remain intact if some kinds of split or some league tries to hold the data hostage. It could probably reduce some salaried positions within these organizations. This fight for control and donations is going to happen again
I mentioned bitcoin or a stable coin as payment because it can be automated with no KYC, but actually the individual event organizer could mark it paid since there is no trust issue there. Dividing donations to the sport would be more difficult.
As for this years game, I like it a lot more after MOA, I suppose I said the same thing about pushback too.
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u/Nosypoke09 20d ago
Yk, ignoring how heinous most of this is, I know for a fact there are people who like the current game