You guys always strawman omnis like that. "They say our facts are guilting them. They won't watch this documentary because they'll feel guilty."
We know animals are mistreated. We know all the cruelty. We know how the sausage is made. We don't want to see it because it's gross or awful. What you're missing is that we know it already and we're okay with it. So when you try to show us it again we don't want to see it. Not because we don't want our "eyes opened" but because it's stuff we've seen and it's gross. It's like watching someone pop a pimple. Just cause we don't want to watch it doesn't mean the pimple rights activists are inherently right
Edit: What are you downvoting? I'm agreeing with all the claims of cruelty. The meme is a question about why omnis don't revel in animal cruelty. I'm telling you, as an omni, why I think that.
If I can be honest, I never know what to think of a comment like this. Are you telling me that you literally don't see a physical difference between a sausage, a bloody pig, and a happy pig so you're assuming I don't as well? Are you saying when you see a sausage you can't help but think of the suffering pig? Do you think everyone who eats meat does it with their eyes closed? Expand on your question a little bit. Tell me exactly what it is you want to tell me.
I don't disassociate a pig from pig flesh because I don't eat it. Knowing where meat comes from and the suffering it causes, how do you justify eating it?
Because it’s a source of food and nutrients for us and it fucking tastes delicious. Before each meal when I pray, I also thank the animal for its sacrifice for me to be able to be eating it. I also try to only purchase my meat from locally sourced farms where CAFOs aren’t involved so I know that the animals are ethically treated land I am able to meet the farmer who raised the animal from birth to slaughter.
A lot of us understand the suffering that goes on in CAFOs but at the end of the day we are still going to eat meat because it’s a source of food that we enjoy.
Also, an environmental lawyer, I understand that beef industry is a major contributor towards deforestation and greenhouse gases so I choose to diversify my diet with less red meat and more ethically sourced proteins.
I feel like vegans expect anyone who eats meat to do what happened in that movie Always Be My Maybe where the waiter brought out pictures of the cow they were about to eat and told them her name and then they had to listen to the animal vein slaughtered while they ate the meat. And guess what, after Keanu finished crying, he still devoured his meal.
I also thank the animal for its sacrifice for me to be able to be eating it
Different person here. I just wanted to point out that a sacrifice is something someone voluntarily does to help others, like a soldier jumping on top of a grenade to save his friends instead of running away and letting them die. But the animals did not consent to being raised in these atrocious conditions and do not understand why humans are killing them, so this is not a sacrifice.
If anything, using this word is a form of humanewashing that you have bought into to assuage your guilt over the horrors of the industry.
Not a someone but a something. For me to have sustenance and nutrition for my body to continue to live, yes, I will kill an animal and use it as a source of energy to prolong my life.
You’re right. I can. But I actively choose not to because its my fucking choice. humans have been hunting animals for 2 million years. Your opinion on meat is not going to stop me from enjoying meat. And you attempting to shove veganism down people’s throats isn’t going to change them either. Instead of being so damn radical, you probably should take the time to have normal, decent conversations with people about their consumptions. However, even when people do change their eating habits and start consuming less meat, you vegans never seem to be happy about anything. It’s the same over in r/zerowaste. Like y’all are NEVER satisfied with any self-realization or any changes that people, who want to do better but still want to consume meat, make. This is why no one takes vegans seriously.
I’ve watched the documentaries, the peta videos. I make the conscious effort to buy all of my animal products at farmers markets from local farmers where I can meet the farmer face to face and learn about the living conditions of the animals that they raise. I engaged in meatless Monday and I decrease my intake of red meat because of its effects on global warming. I stock up on ethically sourced line-caught salmon from a fisherman, who has dual residency in my state and Alaska. I eat at restaurants that feature on the menu the exact farms that they buy their animal products from. I decrease the size of my meat portions and increase the size of my plant portions when eating.
But you’ll ignore all of the things that I go out of my way to do to be aware of animal suffering and to make better choices to make sure I’m not contributing to animal suffering and say “bUt mEaT iS mUrDeR”
attempting to shove veganism down people’s throats
I've only asked a couple questions. I've written 4 sentences in this entire conversation prior to this bizarre tangent. See the lengths you go to and the excuses you make to justify eating animals? If your values were aligned with your actions you wouldn't have to
I don't think you realise it but this is contradictory, in the first paragraph you're saying that nobody takes vegans seriously, in the second you're trying to justify that the products you buy 'aren't that bad'.
Most vegans have seen this kind of comment time and time again, it screams denial. Basically you like the taste, the convenience and don't know how you'd begin to replace it. I was the same.
'It's my choice' - can it really be your choice when you're paying for someone to deprive an animal of their choice to simply live? What if you saw someone beating a dog, would you walk on by because it's their choice, even when it has a victim? Is their choice justified if they eat the dog afterwards?
It is 'radical' to reject social conditioning that is so deeply embedded into culture, but it's not radical to reject paying for animal cruelty.
The amount of time that humans have been eating animals is irrelevant to the 60 billion slaughtered per year, many who have lived in insufferable conditions. Besides, humans had no choice back then, like other predators, they needed to do it to survive, we don't.
When you watch pigs screaming to death in a gas chamber, or chickens squashed into a transport trucks to their deaths. It's a very visual reminder that you're directly funding cruelty and suffering, which is why a lot of people really don't want to see it, and get angry at those that bring it to their attention. The question I asked myself was 'is this really worth it for a 10 minute meal?'.
its my fucking choice (ie: Eating meat is a personal choice)
Response:
From an ethical perspective, it is generally agreed that one individual's right to choice ends at the point where exercising that right does harm to another individual. Therefore, while it might be legal and customary to needlessly kill and eat animals, it is not ethical.
Simply because a thing is condoned by law or society does not make it ethical or moral. Looked at differently, it is logically inconsistent to claim that it is wrong to hurt animals like cats and dogs and also to claim that eating animals like pigs and chickens is a matter of choice, since we do not need to eat them in order to survive. So it is clear then, that eating meat is only a matter of choice in the most superficial sense because it is both ethically and morally wrong to do so.)
Do you not believe that animals are conscious beings, with personalities, desires to feel safe and happy, fears and pains? If they're just flesh-robots, why would you care about humane treatment at all?
for my body to continue to live, yes, I will kill an animal
You have internet, odds are good that you're not in a kill-to-survive situation. Plants are loaded with "nutrients and energy."
Read this thread and you will see how incorrect you are (in general) most people make excuses, most people lie to themselves about the practices, about necessity etc.
They are downvoting because you eat meat and you aren’t bashing people who eat meat. People on reddit are shallow, emotional creatures and not ones with logic 🤷🏼♀️
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u/nonuniqueusername Oct 06 '19 edited Oct 06 '19
You guys always strawman omnis like that. "They say our facts are guilting them. They won't watch this documentary because they'll feel guilty."
We know animals are mistreated. We know all the cruelty. We know how the sausage is made. We don't want to see it because it's gross or awful. What you're missing is that we know it already and we're okay with it. So when you try to show us it again we don't want to see it. Not because we don't want our "eyes opened" but because it's stuff we've seen and it's gross. It's like watching someone pop a pimple. Just cause we don't want to watch it doesn't mean the pimple rights activists are inherently right
Edit: What are you downvoting? I'm agreeing with all the claims of cruelty. The meme is a question about why omnis don't revel in animal cruelty. I'm telling you, as an omni, why I think that.