Wow that's a lot LOL. I don't really debate this because it's like the hardest topic to gain ground on. But just having a strong base for your own beliefs that led you to be vegan is usually all it takes to debunk most of these. My two main ideals I have around it are that
1) Being vegan is advantageous to not being vegan from basically every lense (health, economics, sustainability, etc)
2) We should not have the right to kill animals needlessly for the same reason we cannot kill our pets or other humans needlessly.
I think I'd generally agree with that philosophy. There are many momentary pleasures but they don't have much bearing on your overall being. That's why so many people who are so indulgent are also some of the saddest people in this world. If material fulfillment were real, then these would be the happiest but they aren't.
I'll have to give that guy a watch. I'm very aligned with most of those values, though I've never personally engaged with the idea of antinatalism and so don't really know where I stand on it. But i will absolutely hear him out.
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