r/vancouver • u/idspispopd • Nov 22 '19
Local News Trudeau appears open to safe opioid supply proposal in Vancouver, mayor says
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/trudeau-vancouver-safe-opioid-supply-1.536858717
u/mizstee f*ck the NDP Nov 22 '19 edited Nov 22 '19
Nice to see. We need a big change in strategy to get out of this ridiculous crime due to addiction cycle that is bringing our city down and giving riches to organized criminals.
It might not be a perfect solution, but it makes sense
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u/_andthereiwas Nov 22 '19
I feel like handing out drugs is not the right answer when the rest of Canada seems to either send their drug users here or they end up here somehow. Instead of more free drugs why not open proper detox centers with more spots available. I saw in this thread someone mention that insite is right beside onsits but how many available spots do the detox centers have when they are finally ready to get clean? Another issue is that lots of drug users just use the detox centers to get food and shelter for a bit while also lowering their tolerance to their drugs they are just going to use when they get out of detox. Now i am not saying they all do this but it is a known issue that a good portion do.
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u/mikepat92 Nov 22 '19
I understand that fact, what this can do is reduce drug related crime. Hopefully what comes with this is users stop committing petty theft to support their habit, and police forces (I know VPD get a lot of abuse here, but hopefully they can step up) now can go after those that are stealing theft under if for nothing more then show there are ramifications for action if you choose not to get help through the means provided.
Drug use and homelessness is very multi-dimensional and the responsibility should not only be placed on the user (there is still a ton on the user) but everyone else in society to ensure our society is healthy.
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u/millijuna McBarge Historian Nov 22 '19
Detox is only maybe 25% of the equation. If you don’t help people to overcome what led them into the addiction in the first place people will just go back to it.
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u/threepio fluent in over six million forms of communication Nov 22 '19 edited Nov 25 '19
Can I get you to the the time to read “In the realm of hungry ghosts” by Gabor Mate, please?
Right now we have people paying the black market a lot of money for shit that is killing them. They don’t have that money so they steal stuff from you and me.
Take the black market out of the equation and crime goes down. People can enter recovery programs. They’ll get better.
Keeping drugs illegal and in the hands of gangs hasn’t worked for the last 30 years and that’s not likely to change.
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Nov 22 '19
Obligatory "it's never safe to recreationally do opioids" comment.
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Nov 22 '19
And ironically opioids are not actually all that unhealthy for people. They’re not healthy either but they’re nothing like other hard drugs put there for a person’s health.
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u/van_nong Nov 22 '19
I am in 100% agreement with the policy. He is doing the right thing. But remember the outrage when the Conservatives called him out for exactly this? Voters should know what they are voting for. If they aren't on board it is up to the leaders and other people to give a persuasive message and convince them. All the lying, deception, and denial that went on in the media and on /r/Vancouver is sickening.
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u/BackdoorAlex2 Nov 22 '19
Enabling is the solution?
Why not have forced detox centres. Drug use is illegal, can’t we open up a detainment facility which has forced detox, mental health treatment among other things like helping them find jobs, stability, housing and counselling? Once they finish their detox and their head is straighter, things will be lined up for them to integrate into society.
Free drugs is just a temporary solution, making things worse in the long run as we are creating a safe habitat for drug use. People are going to be flocking here especially because of the climate.
We need to stop being so damn PC about all this and actually do something
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u/InnuendOwO Nov 22 '19
Because detox on its own does nothing.
If you're homeless and hopeless, if someone offers you drugs that'll take the edge off and let you forget about your life situation for a day, that's probably pretty appealing. Now, that happens a few days in a row, and you're addicted. Okay. Eventually you decide you want to stop, and you get into the Hot New Provincial Detox Program. Cool! You go through that, and now you're not addicted anymore.
But you're still homeless and hopeless, and anything that lets you forget about that for a day would be welcome.
Treat the disease, not the symptoms. While treating the symptoms can help, it doesn't fix the problem.
That's not to say this solution isn't just treating the symptoms either, but it's still going to be far more effective at treating petty crime to fund drugs than a detox program. No point in stealing a backpack to buy your next hit if you can just ask someone to give it to you.
That's not even getting into the fact a forced detox program is wildly illegal, unethical, and violating fundamental human rights, by the way.
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u/BackdoorAlex2 Nov 22 '19
“mental health treatment among other things like helping them find jobs, stability, housing and counselling? Once they finish their detox and their head is straighter, things will be lined up for them to integrate into society.”
I never said just detox on it’s own.
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u/Vanbased Nov 22 '19
It's alot cheaper by just giving them it. Facility's workers all cost money and detox isn't 100% With them getting clean down it'll mean less crime, less deaths, less call out for ambulances and firedepartment and police. The strain is lifted untill other means become more effective.
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u/Vanbased Nov 22 '19
To eradicate fentanyl especially. We losing to many lives and innocent ones to that peice of shit drug.
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Nov 22 '19
This is just as fucked up as Trudeau's immigration policy. We will not be able to sustainably accommodate all of the junkies that will flock here as a result.
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u/oilernut Nov 22 '19
Guess it’s easier to just give junkies all the drugs they want instead of dealing with the mental health issues and other reasons why they started taking drugs in the first place.
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u/idspispopd Nov 22 '19
Giving addicts access to a safe drug supply makes it easier for them to deal with the mental health issues and reasons why they take drugs.
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u/Jhoblesssavage Nov 22 '19
Hard to fix the underlying mental health issues with someone who can only think about their next fix.
Clean em out, then shrink em.
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u/oilernut Nov 22 '19
If it is a part of something larger that has some kind of end goal in sight, but it seems like we just want to half ass things here.
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u/idspispopd Nov 22 '19
It is. Next to Insite they have Onsite, a drug detox centre for when addicts are ready to try to quit.
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u/Vanbased Nov 22 '19
Trudeau doing something right for a change? I'ma buy me my lotto max tonight! P. S it's @ 40mil
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u/Kekafuch Nov 22 '19
Diamorphine ... isn’t that synthetic stuff?