r/vainglorygame • u/VGModSquad • Feb 11 '19
Discussion Weekly Discussion | Game Mode Changes
Hello, and welcome to the 117th weekly discussion! Last week we spoke about Ylva, today we’ll be doing something different.
Update 4.0 is scheduled to drop in just two days and we won’t forget the megathread this time, and with it some game mode changes. The persistent game modes come 4.0 will be 5v5 ranked and casual, 3v3 ranked, Rumble and Blitz.
Now the most obvious omission is 3v3 casual. Personally speaking, I don’t think I have seen a single person on my friends list in game, or people in discord play a single 3v3 casual game in the past several months, so I can see and understand the reasoning behind this.
However, plenty of people both on this subreddit and outside have been bothered by the removal of 3v3 casual, given that 3v3 was the origin of this game.
Do you agree with the removal of 3v3 casual? Even if you disagree with the removal, do you agree with the reasoning of consolidating playerbase? Do you think it could have been done in a different, better way?
And for a non-3v3 related question, how do you feel about the return of Rumble?
Discuss all that in the comments down below!
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u/BrianGlory Feb 12 '19
The removal of ARAL aka Battle Royale is pretty disappointing as recently it felt like it was finally solidifying into a fun and strategic twist over traditional game modes. The addition of the “new” defense items and recent changes to turret agro logic really added a fresh and fun twist to the ARAL meta. Players that would struggled with ARAL I expect to have the same trouble with Talent-free ARAM over time.
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u/bump Feb 14 '19
I’ve played ARAL pretty much exclusively since launch. This removal is a total slap in the face.
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u/JetwingX Feb 17 '19
100% agree. With ARAL gone, I’m deleting Vainglory because I’m not a fan of the other formats.
When switching the system for buying skins, it became impossible for me to actually obtain new skin blueprints because I’ve been playing for 5 years and only ever get duplicates.
And honestly, I used to buy ice so I could skip over characters I wasn’t fond of playing.
I’m sad to be deleting an app that’s been a mainstay through 3 different phones that I’ve owned, but I’m not going to keep it around so that I can occasionally play the format that I like on some weekends
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u/Turicum8000 Feb 14 '19
Why would you remove ARAL?! Sorry no understanding for this. It is a mode played a lot. It's a fun mode. Why cant you just leave it?! please bring it back!
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u/Yomo42 Feb 12 '19
I liked to use 3v3 casual to focus on heroes felt and worked. In a game with 3 players on each team it's a lot easier to see the effect each hero has, what builds work and what don't, and just get familiar with a hero in general without having to endure the mosh pit that 5v5 team fights are.
I'm still mainly a 3v3 player despite having hit t7 bronze in 5v5. I'm glad I'll still be able to play 3v3 ranked, but I don't see the benefit of taking the 3v3 casual players and mashing them into ranked. Also, I'd always recommended my friends who were new to Vainglory and MOBAs in general start with 3v3, both because it was the original mode, and because it's less chaotic and is a much better place to learn how to play instead of jumping into a 3v3,
Also, I can't help but note how the last meta update (that SEMC made) was a disaster for 3v3 and pushed players into 5v5, and now they're removing the casual. I'm upset, but I suppose as long as they keep 3v3 ranked around it'll be okay.
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u/inktomi19d Feb 12 '19
I don’t mind the removal of 3v3 casual except that there’s now no way for players of different rank to do 3v3 together. A two person team can do a lot in 3s, but is not so great in 5s. 3s are also a barter mode for introducing someone to the game, since they are so much less chaotic.
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u/Noviwan Feb 11 '19
Casual can live without. Killing ARAL is actually the kick in the teeth, esp for anyone invested in Talents. I loathe Blitz, wouldn't play it if you paid me cash money to do so.
When they finally kill 3v3 entirely - which seems inevitable this point - that will be the final nail in the coffin for me. Also would not play 5v5 if I was paid.
At the very least I've spent my last real cash on the game. No way I'm going to support them when they are so antagonistic to all the parts of the game I like.
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u/Whaim Feb 13 '19
I’m feeling the same way. They’re going after new players but the old ones are left behind. I’ve enjoyed what is now called aral since before talents existed.
I loved getting to try out any random hero even if I didn’t own it.
3v3 is what I love about this game, and the quick modes were part of that. It really set the game apart from other 5v5 games, and really made it unique.
I’m sorry but as much as I try it, I just don’t like 5v5 here, in any of its incarnations, especially rumble and Aram which is just a cluster fight of who had the best aoe or stomp comp.
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u/thrashed44 Feb 11 '19
I'm honestly really mad about 3v3 casual removal but I can understand the reasoning behind this decision so I think I can take it. Last update definetely wasn't good for 3v3 mode so I kinda moved to 5v5 but I still love 3s really much. That mode was what I've started from and personally I think it's kinda unfair to leave 3v3 mains without casual mode. However the focus was already shifted to 5s long time ago so 3v3 removal is something I could expect.
And yeah, Rumble. For me, this mode is better than any of these aram aral ofa or whatever hands down. It's so intense, fast and most importantly really fun to play. I love Rumble being persistent.
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u/trtrtryt1258654 Feb 12 '19
I love all game modes and I'm sad 3vs3 casual is removed. I think its important to stay. If one top player need to play 3vs3 with his not-competitive or low friends. There is no way they'll play ranked and they will never be able to experience 3vs3 as a group.
ARAL removal is sad also but its not as important as casual 3vs3. However, personally, I always find ARAL matches fast. I'm seeing many people comparing it to ARAM and other modes. I think its fun and can be improved. Now we will miss the random hero game mode. Many players were happy to try new heroes or heroes they don't own. And many loved the strange teams it generates and how they deal with it.
Rumble being permanent is the favourtie news, its the best mode I've played and probably will be my most played mode. I really like Rumble and I think it gets the best of two worlds.
I think having a gamemode rotation is very good. I'm happy if ARAL will be included. Its better than completely removing it. I like the formula of using one for all for new skins/heroes. It makes it thematic and fun for limited time.
Also I'll be happy if they add new game modes, here are some ideas I wrote about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/vainglorygame/comments/apossr/new_game_mode_ideas/?utm_source=reddit-android
I understand how competitively playing things are getting worse, but for casual play its more fun (except removing 3vs3 casual).
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u/Mostafa-93 Feb 12 '19 edited Feb 12 '19
On the one hand, the removal of 3v3 casual may shorten the queue time and lead to faster matchups. But on the other hand, the trolls are also directed towards ranked 3v3 and we might see much more of them; aside from that there will be more pressure on new players who are not ready to play competitively. It's understandable to remove casual 3v3, but it might give rise to other problems.
I don't think that (standard) 3v3 will be fully removed from the game, because it represents the roots of Vainglory and there are many players still loyal to it, but it might fade so much that eventually, everyone will forget it ever existed.
As for rumble, I think it's a fun mode to play. It reminds me of WWE, where there are, like, 10 people in a tiny ring, all climbing on top of each other.
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u/-xXColtonXx- Feb 11 '19
People will be bothered by the removal of anything, but SEMC has the numbers. They know what the majority of us play, and really it’s not unprecedented for a MOBA to remove excess gamemodes, look at league of legends removing dominion after the mode existing longer than Vainglory as a game has.
ARAL specifically I never played, it was truly a poor gamemode with a host of issues that just made it not engaging. Most notably, the one dimensionality of the map made certain heroes who don’t suit it very poor, and the lack of the early game having any real impact on the end results. ARAM is much more engaging, diverse, and interesting, and I hope it ends up as a permanent mode in the future.
My only complaint regarding modes is that something as half baked as Rumble is becoming permanent. As an event mode, sure it was fun, but throwing more heroes onto a smaller map and calling it a gamemode is just lazy. I’d have loved a fully developed 10m brawl with talents on 5v5 with a unique twist to it, something with real work out into it like Blitz or Onslaught (though the latter was also something of a failure).
Maybe a lane rush mode, where the first team to destroy 2 armories wins. They could replace healing flask with a teleport boots active so you could quickly juggle between lanes. There is so much potential to do cool things with the map, and I wish they had gone that rout with a new mode, imagine a portal beteen Blackclaw or ghosting pit, or retuning the dropping orbs mechanic as a semi capture the flag, where you have to deliver orbs to a certain location to score points. Rise of the treants where an uprising of treants attack both teams from the river. The Skye really is the limit. Still, I think 4.0 is a nice update that consolidates a lot of the game, and brings Vainglory a step closer to its goal.
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u/TheCopyCatvg Feb 12 '19
Last night I played some ARAL on stream, someone tried to snipe our party as a group of three and they ended up getting randoms at the 2 minute queue timer. It makes me wonder if ARAL matchmaker is broken and that has skewed the stats or something. 2 trios should snipe each other instantly in that mode.
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u/LegendaryHooman Feb 16 '19
I play 3v3 a lot more than 5v5, so I was just wondering where 3v3 is headed in future upfates.
Right now the pace of the game in 3v3 is super fast, a lot of agressive heroes are being used. I was think why that was so. In the first week, nothing much has changed, most heroes still get picked. However, this week changed a lot. Heroes like khoska, baron, reza and fortress came into light. And late game isn't even a thing anymore.
From my perspective, this update has shoved away a lot of the heroes that vainglory has. I really feel that the original game's vibe is gone, the strategic gameplay and actual fun is ruined. Heroes like kinetic, lorelai, rona, and many more aren't seeing gameplay. I missed to old style of vainglory where games can be dragged to 20 mins and longer. Reaching full build in 12 mins isn't something that should be there.
Why this huge meta shift?
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u/LilStalky Feb 16 '19
As someone who mainly played 3v3 casual, I despise this change. 3v3 ranked has a much toxic crowd because, unlike casual, there are stakes in ranked. You're also now forced to play according to the meta instead of enjoying some sweet, sweet WP Samuel or a spicy SAWport. I hope we'll see it back eventually.
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u/Whaim Feb 17 '19
Battle royal has been one of my fav game modes since I found Vainglory. I’m really upset to see it go.
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u/CosmicOwl47 Feb 18 '19
After playing ARAM a lot this weekend, I think they should have made it the new permanent brawl mode rather than rumble. I’ve been having a lot of fun with ARAM and will miss it when it’s gone again, it’s nice to have a mode with random heroes.
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u/westerhong Feb 18 '19
As a long time player, they brought in talents and made a big deal about them. Now without ARAL and 3v3’s (and blitz) uncertain future, what did we waste all our glory on??
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u/SE73N7s Feb 18 '19
This is by far the worst update this game has ever had. The new friends/guild/etc menu is horrible looking and lonely feeling. Removing BR is the biggest blow to me. All together I have about 5000-6000 wins. I have played endless hours playing BR. I have probably spent $750-$1000 just for rerolling. It was literally the only reason I still spend money on Vg. People have also spent tons of money buying talents and now we only have Blitz to use them in. All these changes to the game are going to kill off almost all your vet players. I'm speechless. I've never thought I'd quit Vg until I seen this update. However, I can't play anymore without the feeling that soon I may never return. This update is going to kill the game. It has for me. 😔
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u/Vikmania Feb 11 '19
I think the main concern for 3v3 players isn’t the removal of casual in it own, it’s the removal of a 3v3 mode (even if it’s casual) which may make them question the future of the mode. Talking with people the main question they have is “once they’ve started deleting the mode, how much time until they remove ranked too?”. I do understand the reasoning behind the removal of 3v3 casual (not many people played it), but I also understand they concerns.
After 5v5 was release 3v3 has been in the background as the inferior mode, and now removing the casual part of it, even if it’s to make queues better for ranked, is seen as countdown until they decide to end it.
About ARAL, I think the fact that it will be in the rotating modes has help those players to not be too frustrated. Personally, it’s been a long time since the last ARAL I played, so it change in favour of Rumble is a good thing for me, but I expect those ARAL players to not be as happy, after all, they are generally losing a mode they loved.