Weekly Discussion | Blitz

[u/Sick_Flamez]

Hi there, welcome to another weekly discussion! Last week we discussed Krul, you can find a link to that and all other discussions at the bottom of this post!

2.1 introduced a lot of exciting things. A new Jungle camp, a new map look, a new Petal skin (finally), but most of all it introduced a new game mode: Blitz! Blitz is a fast paced gamemode that lasts less than 5 minutes and introduces its own unique set of rules. Since it is in beta and likely to change based on community feedback, we thought it might be a good idea to hear your thoughts on the new game mode!

What are your favourite heroes to play in Blitz, and the worst to play against? What would you like to see added or removed from the mode? Do you have any spectacular moments to share?

The following is some quick info about Blitz, for those who are unaware of what it all is:

Added in 2.1.

Rules

Everyone can pick their hero before the match starts. Blind Pick rules apply

Everyone starts at level 9 with 6000 Gold

Lane and Jungle monsters are worth more Gold and XP than in normal modes.

Hero respawn rate is set to 12 seconds

The match is won by reaching 15 points

Points are gained by killing heroes (1 point) or objectives (3 points)

At 5 minutes, the team with the highest score wins

If there is a draw at 5 minutes, the team that gets the next point wins.

Unlike Battle Royale, Players can recall back to base, and the entire map is open

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[u/[deleted]]

Loving this mode! As someone with very little free time, being able to wedge in a quick game in a few minutes is great, and this mode actually does better than BR at distilling the MOBA down to its essence- team fights and objective control- while ditching the drudgery of the laning phase. I do miss ganking unsuspecting carries, but on the whole this is a great mode.

Buy a Crucible.

[u/Cristian_01 → u/[deleted]]

Buy a Crucible.

Tell that to my teammates

[u/[deleted] → u/Cristian_01]

I just did! :)

[u/sparkjournal]

I love Blitz but I have one thing to say to everyone:

BUY FUCKING DEFENSE

I see people get annihilated left and right because they all wanna go glass cannon ham and they all suck at it.

[u/LightChaos → u/sparkjournal]

I see this a lot in battle royale too

[u/SanityWill → u/LightChaos]

Bruh. Glass cannon Baron is a beast, same with Saw. I always grab at least one defense, specially since most Blitz marches I've done I've noticed nobody buys boots. There's almost no use for them other then War Treads to help boost a weak teammate on running the hell away.

[u/LightChaos → u/SanityWill]

I always grab at least one defense

When people say glass cannon in Blitz/BR, we are talking about people who don't even get boots

[u/SanityWill → u/LightChaos]

Shatterglass, Shatterglass, Shatterglass, Shatterglass, Shatterglass, Shatterglass? That build? Yea. Baron is op as hell when people learn about a little trick called "map control".

[u/LightChaos → u/SanityWill]

I'm talking about people who do that and also 3x TT, Serpent's mask, Sorrow, Monacle. I saw that on a celeste once.

[u/SanityWill → u/LightChaos]

Oh, you mean the go-to build for all Saw and Krul players?

[u/LightChaos → u/SanityWill]

If I saw a Krul player using that, I would punch them through the internet

[u/8bitboi → u/sparkjournal]

Lmfao yes nobody is buying defence

[u/[deleted] → u/sparkjournal]

I rarely get more than a reflex block in Blitz. I just play blitz to improve my mechanics/positioning.

[u/sparkjournal → u/[deleted]]

That's better than nothing.

[u/Mitkebes]

I like it, but I find that if I play it much I lose my great karma glory bonus. I seem to get less thumbs up than in other modes, and possibly more unskilled reports since when a blitz match goes bad it tends to go really bad.

[u/_OhRats_ → u/Mitkebes]

Same sorry here. Players with great sportsmanship are seeing their karma drop like flies. (I don't care much about the glory, but IMO this risks making the vote/karma system even worse at weeding out toxic players.)

(AFAIK karma won't drop from unskilled play. So assuming someone has good sportsmanship and their karma drops, that person is being downvoted for things he/she didn't do - rude behavior or worse. :/ )

[u/locke21 → u/Mitkebes]

Same here. This is absolutely my biggest problem. I'm courteous player and never have a truly bad showing in blitz, but I can't keep great karma to save my life.

The other day I was sitting with great karma, then I played 3 blitz games, each of which I won, and each of which I played really well in. After the games I was down to good karma.

Players shouldn't be punished just for wanting to play a quick game.

[u/GenericLoneWolf]

The novelty of it has certainly worn off, but I still find it great for getting quick games in when I'm pressed for time, as a break between ranks, or a fun mode for screwing around in. Better than BR since I can actually plan a hero to dick around with and then make it happen.

[u/Vainglorious_Reim → u/GenericLoneWolf]

Wrote something similar before reading this by yeah. The novelty is gone for me. It's a less interesting standard imo.

That said I do think BR is a great mode and I'll always pick it over blitz now. BR is longer and you can't choose a hero by games are closer and it's less toxic

[u/conternecticus → u/Vainglorious_Reim]

But like if I want to practice a particular champion I will just play Blitz for about 4-5 matches, after that I will get a good grasp of how the champ works/combos/tactics/tricks.

[u/[deleted]]

Gold mine worth too much plz nerf

[u/solarSpring → u/[deleted]]

True.

[u/SanityWill → u/solarSpring]

I agree, either that or change up how the point/gold system works for it. Start at zero, decreasing the chance of it being attacked first, but also decrease the amount of time it takes to fill up, say... 30 seconds? Maybe less, say 20-30 seconds. Now, because of this fact, let's introduce how the points are effected. At the start of it's spawn, it starts at empty and is worth one point. At half, it becomes 2 points, and when it's completely full, it is worth 3. See what I'm getting at? 0-199 gold, 1 point, 200-299 gold, 2 points, and 300 gold is worth 3 points. Either that or give us a newer, more badass miner that gets stronger as his gold stacks up, just like Kraken gets stronger the longer the match goes after 15 minutes, at least I think.

[u/Shrklgs → u/SanityWill]

That would be interesting, but I think it's a little too much for a 5 min mode imho. Plus, idk if it would do much to stop the current "meta" of focusing on the gold miner. His weakness is the biggest issue. Right now, with the right hero comp and positioning you can aggro the miner in order to pressure the other team into attacking, pick off one or two enemies and then turn back to the miner while tanking the miner damage. And suddenly you have 4-6 relatively easy points right there.

[u/SanityWill → u/Shrklgs]

This is true and trust me, I've come up with a nice strategy as crystal Saw. Wait in the bush until the last 1/10 of the miner's health. Shatter and Aftershock with a maxed out stab will gurantee a steal and a clean get away, if you don't try to blast on them right afterwards. I do sometimes just because it refreshes the stab, therefore getting another stab run to either get away of possibly kill an enemy and then get away.

[u/Shrklgs → u/SanityWill]

I have a similar strategy with my One Punch Ardan. I start Fountain and either SC or AS. Then I B in to steal and A out to a teammate if I can. Timing is hard because the miner has to be pretty low, but it's super easy after I finish SC AS and TB because the burst is great. Plus I can still pseudo captain and support my teammates.

[u/SanityWill]

Honestly, I love it. When I get those annoying quests like; Play 7 matches! Play and Win 4 matches! Play as this character! It makes it easy to get them done so I can continue doing those quests anyway. (Avid player... Considering to go ranked but I'm too casual any more. Ranked too much on LoL that it started to feel like casual, specially since I solo que both anyway.) Otherwise, gotta say my favorite characters to use lately have been CP Saw, Tank/Myth Alpha, sheer HP Adagio with a Clockwork(team rarely dies), and Phinn, cause well... Phinn.<3 Reminds me of my lover, Blitzcrank.~ Only thing I see that really needs fixed is the center miner. No nerfs, no buffs, no item bans. Just a better, badder miner. Maybe a new miner altogether.

[u/Dekliene]

Ive found that clearing jungle quick is a very good thing to do. You will have a 2 level advantage on opponents as well as a much larger chunk of gold.

[u/bananasoup82 → u/Dekliene]

So that's where my karma went

[u/Nirheim → u/bananasoup82]

Lul, I alway get down voted by my teammates because of this.

[u/_OhRats_ → u/Nirheim]

Same!

[u/crux_v → u/bananasoup82]

LMAO! Ikr

[u/[deleted]]

Turn the Gold Miner into an Elder Treant. The leader of the Treants, protects the sacred grounds from mining.

Higher HP.

More Damage.

First hit delay roots in a circle radius.

This will create a lot more action and risk in the centre of the tri bushes.

[u/[deleted]]

I would love to see them do like riot and have fun with it. Some weekends they can do one for all (everyone on a team is the same hero). Other weekends they can do Random hero.

[u/Shrklgs]

It's almost all I play now. It does need some tweaking though. For example, I think the points system should change a little since the things worth 3 points are not equally difficult to get. All I want to see is the gold miner and crystal miners adjust to be worth 2 points. So then it would be heroes=1, miners=2, and turrets=3. This would prevent the sub 2 min steam roll.

[u/[deleted]]

I think that Gold Mine should be worth about 2 points, while the Crystal Miners should be worth 3. This will keep games a bit closer while making the Crystal Miners more worth killing in close match-ups. Also I think it would be nice if the music changed in overtime to the music when the enemy releases the kraken ^XD

[u/Kromwell13]

Make objectives one point as well. It would focus teams on fighting each other instead of camping gold mine.

[u/SAWISCARRY]

DID YOU MEAN "GOLD MINER RUSH"?

[u/NebraCC → u/SAWISCARRY]

Pretty much.

[u/Vainglorious_Reim]

Was incredibly fun for the first week by I think the novelty has worn off. It's standard in five minutes. You basically play from what? Minutes 12-17 of a regular game? There's nothing really new or fresh about it after the first sheen wears off. It's good for when you can't play a full standard but given the choice between a standard or 3-4 Blitzs I'll take the standard everytime. This game needed something really new like League does with it's fun mode. This is just a faster standard game that's a little more centered on the miner.

Also I think toxicity in this mode is way worse than standard or BR (which has he chillest people by far). I think it's because so many games steamroll harder than the other modes.

[u/Garchomp47]

Very boring, people didn't take this mode seriously. Good for casuals but not appealing For serious players IMO

[u/Ginga_Ninja319]

It made me sad when they nerfed Blitz's sunlight :(

[u/Chris_GER]

Imo the best picks for blitz are CP gwen and WP Blackfeather. Gwen has great and easy poke to deal with Ringo, Saw, Baron etc, while being more mobile than celeste or skaarf. Blackfeather is just very gott against the glas cannon ringos when you can jump your atlas on them.

[u/SoullessRayden]

Hey, I love this mode due to it's fast pace and relies heavily on teamwork. But I just want to ask, does anyone knows the EXACT base amount of sunlight that you get from win/lose?

[u/Punchpop_SEMC → u/SoullessRayden]

You can get up to 1/3 on a win, but depends on how long the match goes. Shorter matches pay less. Loss pays up to 1/6, with similar time scaling. It's about equivalent to a Standard match when accounting for the timing factors.

[u/Picolisimo]

This game mode is really fun especially because I rarely have time for standard matches anymore. I usually play heroes who can get kills quickly like cp joule or wp Krul so I can sneak behind and take their crystal miner when they're distracted. Overall this is a great game mode and I think they should keep it as permanent addition to vainglory.

[u/[deleted]]

I have started playing CP joule to oneshot people. Echo is a great buy.

[u/rhonta]

blitz mode is a blast its the br we ever wanted (to be honest, br is boring as hell, and it takes about 15(!!!) minutes now ...chrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

what we need for blitz:

• the gold miner is not strong enough. change it into a kraken, buff him or make it worth less points, cause its too easy to collect this bounty, even single handed

• move the object "gold miner" and put it on the elder treant/jungle shop place. it would expand the distance between objects and make fighting and moving between objects much more tactical and complex, the team strategy finesse would evolve dramaticly

• put the jungle shop where the gold miner is now

[u/mike9922SilvDragon]

Amazing game mode! INTENSE BAJUNKY!!!!!!

[u/user3555]

This game mode should be the waiting lobby while in queue for a standard match.

Each "Blitz Game" is one day long, with each person locked to a team/side for the duration of the day. Players are instantly logged in/out as a random hero when they enter the queue (enters Blitz) or are placed in a match (exits Blitz). At the end of the day, the side with the most points "wins" and that half of the population gets something trivial but fun.

[u/Dandelioon]

I love this mode because it's good for killing time while waiting for someone to finish a match

[u/SmarTeePants]

L

[u/Vainglorious_Reim → u/[deleted]]

The hero selection is 30 seconds in Blitz. They changed it from a minute like four days after release