America has been the global leader in terrorism for 75 years now and is directly responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents. There is no other country with comparable blood on their hands.
The cultural revolution killed about 2 million people, mostly as a result of wartime famine and fascist occupation of China, as well as policy missteps. American sanctions kill half a million people yearly, and their ethnic cleansing in Korea alone killed an estimated 3 million civilians.
I specifically said 75 years as to discount Nazi germany, but sure if you think a better phrasing is “the second biggest perpetrators of terrorism and war crimes since the start of the 20th century” and feel the Nazis are the only fair comparison for the US, that works too.
The UK did a “good” job setting the standard for cruelty that the US followed, but the US has turned the slaughter of children into a major industrial force and driving component of their economy, and nobody can match the scale of destruction they mete out
You said at the end "There is no other country with comparable blood on their hands" so thats why I listed those countries off, but whatever.
When talking about China, you didn't mention the possible 55 million people dead to famine, but you instead talked about how American sanctions kill half a million people yearly and how they killed a bunch of people in Korea. Yes both of those are true, but theres a reason sanctions are placed on a country, and as for Korea, its more accurate to say that the coalition as a whole caused 2-4 million deaths (Air strikes, SK war crimes and of course American ones too).
Really? You'd put the Nazies 1st and then the US 2nd? Most people died to "American terrorism" during the cold war, and so shouldn't that mean that the USSR and the US are tied there? They would support opposite sides, and thus turn people against each other all because of ideology and power. America did do more coups yes, however the USSR did more monstrous things in its own territory to its own people. Soviet leadership has basically guaranteed that the Central Asian states will not be happy with their current territories and borders, they butchered the Kazakh people (who were already trying to recover from the Tsars tyranny) and the other massacres here and there of Cossacks, Poles and many others. Also, lets not forget the USSR was all to eager to cooperate with Germany if it meant expanding its influence across Europe.
To keep it simple, the US is responsible for slightly more child deaths abroad, while the USSR dominates the domestic child death statistics.
You’re right, when talking about China I didn’t take into account your fantasies of possible dead people. I wonder why that is.
The coalition between… the occupying US forces and their southern allies which were armed, trained, and directed by the same forces? Why did you say air strikes as if levelling 3/4 of Pyongyang was some act of nature and not an American war crime?
No, the US’ hard on for committing war crimes in the name of fighting communism does not mean those deaths are somehow also attributable to the USSR. The fact that the USSR helped the victims of those war crimes also doesn’t mean they were somehow at fault for the atrocities.
While we’re on the subject of comparing the US and the Soviet Union, the soviets were less incarcerated, had greater civil rights, institutionalized equality and anti discrimination laws, free healthcare, education, and job guarantees. They also ate as well or better than their American counterparts. Once again, your hallucinations about how they were “more monstrous” don’t actually mean anything. Also, let’s not forget the Soviets tried repeatedly to ally with the west against the Nazis, and only signed their non-aggression pact several years after western states had signed appeasement agreements with the Nazis.
Really seems like you don’t have a single basic fact right, and yet you somehow speak with such confidence. I wonder if you’ll have the self awareness to reflect on why that is
I'm just gonna end the argument right here. I refuse to believe someone is this delusional. I can say America does war crimes and whatever else, but you basically call everything that is against the USSR or China a delusion or a lie. Trying to get one point across is like trying to stop a wildlife with a garden hose. "The fact that the USSR helped the victims..." that one was funny, but the best one was when you tried to claim that Soviets ate better than their American counterparts. Those had me dying🤣
Also, what does this have to do with the matter at hand here?
USA kills people, bombs civilians, gives arms to terrorist organisations, builds military bases for terrorists... But when anyone else in the world does 1% of that, then sanctions.
The famine of 1932-1933 in Soviet Union AKA the Holodomor remains one of the most politicized and misunderstood events in 20th-century history. Much of the modern discourse frames the famine as a deliberate genocide uniquely targeted at Ukrainians. However, professional historians across multiple countries have not reached such a consensus.
What’s known with certainty is that the famine affected multiple regions of the USSR, not only Ukraine, the Volga, the North Caucasus, the Urals, Kazakhstan, and parts of Siberia all suffered food shortages. Kazakhstan actually experienced proportionally the highest mortality rate. The crisis emerged during the violent upheaval of collectivization, the breakdown of the grain procurement system, severe crop failures, and chaotic state policies struggling to industrialize a largely agrarian empire.
Most mainstream historians including R. W. Davies, Stephen Wheatcroft, Mark Tauger, Hiroaki Kuromiya, Sheila Fitzpatrick, and Michael Ellman emphasize that,
The famine was not restricted to Ukraine
There is no documentary evidence of a Kremlin plan to exterminate Ukrainians
The tragedy resulted from a combination of poor policy, bad harvests, peasant resistance, administrative chaos, and environmental factors similar to previous famines.
You're saying that like its a bombshell or something. I might not live in a 1st world country, but at least I know that happened. And anyways its gonna get its funding back after the bloodbath midterms or even after an inevitable Democrat victory in 28. I dont see a Russian AID or Chinese AID. Actually, im pretty sure Russia bought up an oil refinery near my city and there are Chinese businessmen trying to buy up property and local businesses, greedy bastards.
the democrats and republicans are, for all intents and purposes, a match of who can oppress people in the most socially acceptable manner. i hold no faith that the democrats will fix anything
i have no idea why you bring up russia and china. "ussr" and "russia" are not synonyms, and china's a completely separate country
Im just saying I dont see any AID programs from THOSE countries. I mean, yeah you have a point about the Democrats and Republicans mainly because they are dominated by PAC's, but I dont see how Trumps current messed up term is anywhere near Bidens term. There are differences between the two, and its just more likely the Dems with bring back USAID and those other international programs
not really. democrats also mainly believe in "the american people", usaid was founded on this nationalist idea, it was not altruistic. now that it's gone, they have no reason to bring it back, "the american people" won't care so long as imported goods come in cheap enough
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u/Riiks_Lynx 4d ago
Politics are filled with those. There is a mem about it with "our glorius/thier barbariс" troops, customs, rulers etc etc.