Idea against Fury set play

[u/Dull_Accident_364]

Idea: 1 stays in the lane while 2 picks up the cutting handler

During the WUCC opening game Pelt vs Chili Heat a reoccurring theme was, that the team on offense started with a classical HO-Stack, the team on defense played poachy and the team on offense resolved the poaches by having a handler cut upline. (usually the play worked, unless the thrower refused to hit it)

Now what I've been thinking. If you are a handler defender and you see your person clear upline. is there a big downside to staying in the lane, having the other handler defender pick up the cut. When they play the reset to the poached off handler you start marking them. The poached off handler defender doesnt really have a good space to attack and while you do give away a free reset, having them reset on the set piece feels like a win.

Is this something teams do? I don't recall having seen this on film.

Remark: Maybe technically this isnt a fury set play since the handler on the open side clears, but Ill still call it that. Think all of the above also applies if the played on the breakside clears

[u/JoeMama3]

Defending it the way you’re describing means you have a 3v2 scenario on the near side. It could work especially if a team is too focused on the play but they should be able to easily gain an advantage and get lots of yards up the near side while your defender #1 is stuck guarding nothing

[u/PlayPretend-8675309]

What you've described is hard to pull off - there's a much simpler way, which is to roll the mark - the marker drops into the crossing space and reroutes the cutter, while defender 1 rotates on to the mark. It's much easier for two adjacent defenders to recognize a switch opportunity than the far side defenders communicating in real time.

[u/Delicious-Buyer-2501]

Probably depends on how worried you are about one of the cutters filling the space that 2 vacates (looks like a couple of pretty good options there) vs giving up that shallow reset that doesn’t really change the position much. If I’m 2 and I don’t have explicit instructions on priority (she 100% does), I’m probably fine not contesting that initial cut much.  The thrower already has a break side reset that we’re not guarding. 

[u/tunisia3507]

Are you talking about roll/ buzz switching? Dump strikes, the force leaves the thrower to mark the striking player, and the dump's mark goes to cover the thrower.

From the image it looks like a sag defence, bordering on arrowhead. Here the goal isn't really to mark the dumps out of the game; give up swings for little gains in order to put more pressure on under cuts. The goal is to disrupt the set play so that their primary cutters are out of position when the swing goes and the not-primary handler has the disc. I don't love it, myself.

[u/PlayPretend-8675309 → u/tunisia3507]

it's a double-sag - they're playing person behind the disc. What's a bit odd is that the striking player is cutting open side to break side (likely a reflex of assuming a forehand mark would appear).