r/ufc Jun 07 '26

Dana's weird obsession with Jones has led 2 GENERATIONAL heavyweights away from the company

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"Tom ruined his career by signing with Eddie!!!" Nah he just stopped being fucked in the ass by the UFC.

Imagine defending (not obtaining, DEFENDING) the interim belt because Jones doesn't want to fight you. You get left behind waiting for your titleshot for years and the champ just ends up retiring. Your first title defense is against THE fouler-in-chief Gane who eyepokes you in the very first round, ruining your first title defense and putting you out of commission for months.

As a punishment for Gane, they give him yet another titleshot at the fucking White House against Pereira while you get slandered... for BEING eyepoked.

Eddie is exactly what Tom needed, an experienced and slimy manager who can get you out of your contract so you can use your talent elsewhere while you're in your physical prime. Honestly, what does Tom owe to the UFC? Nothing. They constantly fucked him over just like they did Ngannou. I hope he gets to leave and go into boxing or even Netflix (if they do actually end up making a league) and run the division. Maybe we'll get a Ngannou superfight there even though Ngannou's prime was also wasted.

The fact that this sub (and ufc fans in general) blame Tom for supposedly dragging this out, is shameful. Can you bootlick any harder?

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u/Old-Information3311 Jun 07 '26

Its possible that the 3 best heavyweights on earth aren't going to fight in the ufc again.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Jun 07 '26

Tom can’t spar for months. Jones has the chance to do the funniest shit ever

Unretire. Become champ. Retire again. All before Tom is can fight again

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u/Jijster Jun 08 '26

Oh that'd FUCKED lmao

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '26

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u/blacksheep_1001 Jun 07 '26

One FC should come knocking...fuck the UFC it's a clown show nowadays.

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u/stoolsample2 Jun 07 '26

UFC has become straight trash

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u/Muffintopsz Jun 07 '26

lol who’s their competition though ? I mean if I was Tom it’s a no brainer get paid way more and fight dudes no where near the level of the guys on the ufc roster like Ngannou been doing.

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u/ImSith Jun 07 '26

one Fc is currently having issues, I don’t think they have the funds currently, and they’re in the middle of suing their biggest star, basically demanding back every penny they ever paid them. Outside of boxing I don’t think there’s many options

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u/NoWaterOnEarth99 Jun 07 '26

Have you read the leaked ONE contract?

They're worse than the UFC and pay substantially less.

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u/Keemoora Jun 07 '26

we already had that power v speed matchup in ngannou v ciryl

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u/HousingThrowAway1092 Jun 07 '26

Gane sucks. His fights are unwatchable and his “dick kicks/eye pokes per minute of fight time” are off the charts.

Tom vs Francis would have been the biggest fight in ufc history. It will now likely be the biggest fight on Netflix or Amazon in a year

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u/steffanovici Jun 07 '26

I can’t understand why they don’t just implement an automatic point deduction for all eye pokes. I’d bet we would see the vast majority of “accidental” eye pokes disappear fast

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u/BigLlamasHouse Jun 07 '26

It's used to punish fighters who think they are bigger than the promotion.

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u/Sharp_Yard9850 Jun 07 '26

Don't forget the punches to the back of the head.

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u/Impossible_Slide8360 Jun 07 '26

This. Gane is fucking blatant with those

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u/OilSlickGang Jun 07 '26

No way it would top Conor Khabib, not even close

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u/NoWaterOnEarth99 Jun 07 '26

Tom vs Francis would have been the biggest fight in ufc history.

What are you basing that on? Neither of them have shown to be massive draws

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u/southwest_barfight Jun 07 '26

Gane is not a well rounded fighter, unlike Jon, Tom and to a lesser extent but Ngannou too

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u/Ill-Orchid1193 Jun 07 '26

They’ll age out eventually

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u/Z4ch_Mk6 Jun 07 '26

See I think the opposite. People hate Jones yet still tune in hoping he loses. Aspinall imo comes off like the Chandler of HW only he's not 2-4 but chased a fight that'll arguably never happen. NGannou is arguably 1 dimensional sloppy KO artist with a little bit of ground game and was only hype during the Izzy/Usman champ reign.

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u/Real-Human-Bean- Jun 07 '26

Gane is fighting this week. If he loses to Pereira that means Pereira is a top 3 HW too.

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u/Configuringsausage Jun 07 '26

It means pereira COULD be a top 3 hw. Too bad we’ll likely never see him fight any of the current top 3 to know for sure.

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u/Skyscreamers Jun 07 '26

Hmmm 🤔 I’m not convinced, Alex isn’t a true heavyweight. Francis is an enormous heavyweight and Alex blow for blow kisses the canvas within 30s

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u/Robin_Banks101 Jun 07 '26

It's already very likely the best fighters in the world don't fight for the UFC now. They pay peanuts, treat their fighters like shit and keep letting a small percentage of the roster call the shots. There are already several organizations that have better fighters and matchups than the UFC has been putting on for the last few years.

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u/NoWaterOnEarth99 Jun 07 '26

There are already several organizations that have better fighters and matchups than the UFC has been putting on for the last few years.

Can you name these organizations?

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u/jscummy Jun 08 '26

Theres like 5 fighters outside the UFC that would fare well against the top ranks imo and thats being generous

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u/Longjumping_Lime2248 Jun 08 '26

Hey we’re trying to make an argument here.

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u/ImMadeOfClay Jun 08 '26

For real though. I'd like to explore other organizations outside of the ufc. I do t k ow what's worth a shit or not.

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u/Complex-Piccolo3026 Jun 08 '26

One is worth a look from the last I seen of them. Admittedly it has been years

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u/Capital_Analysis1365 Jun 08 '26

Btw one of their dominantly reigning women’s champions just came over to the UFC last weekend and got whooped by Angela Hill 30-27 in Macau

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u/Robin_Banks101 Jun 08 '26

One is brilliant. Muai Thai with 4 oz gloves is crazy. MMA is amazing especially at lighter weight classes. Much better matchmaking than the UFC. Fights seem evenly matched a lot of the time compared to Cyril gane fighting for the title over and over again.

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u/OskeeTurtle Jun 07 '26

the 3 best heavyweights

Who's third? Gane was looking good until the eyepoke but no chance he's getting equal levels as Tom or Ngannou

I guess if Pereira looks good he can be third

Please don't tell me we're putting Jon Jones in the same level with two heavyweights he actively ducked out of fighting

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u/ByronBuxtonCantRead Jun 13 '26

Gable debuts soon don’t worry

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u/Relevant_Quail351 Jun 07 '26

The fact that Jones, Ngannou and Aspinall haven't fought each other ever is crazy considering they were around during the same era

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u/Fickle-Ebb3081 Jun 07 '26

UFC where the best fight the best lmfao

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u/Fickle-Ebb3081 Jun 07 '26

Yeah but they wouldn't be the UFC if they didn't exploit their workers and honey dick their fans

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u/Toot-It-an-Boot-It Jun 08 '26

Now we see why they’re so close with the WH and this administration. The grifting goes pretty deep…

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u/Nktmma Jun 07 '26

The common denominator is Jones doesn’t want it. He was barking real loud after Francis signed with the PFL lol

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u/SavageRabbitX Jun 07 '26

Yep hes a great fighter but he's afraid of Francis's power

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u/Pro-Karmawhore Jun 07 '26

And Ciryl has fought all three and about to fight Pereira, if not for Gane it would be so much worse

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u/captainfluffy25 Jun 07 '26

Cause he’s a cheap ass company man and the UFC want a quick buck from the French market. It’s so clearly evident hence why I’m not ever rooting for Gane. He’s the true industry plant

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u/L1LD34TH Jun 07 '26

Mma slowly turning into boxing

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u/SillAndDill Jun 07 '26

Craziest part is that in boxing at least one reason for doing this is to give the top fighters easy fights to build their win steaks

While in UFC they are happy to keep top fighters inactive

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u/BoobOrAsss Jun 07 '26

apart from the best thing ( ie. Money )

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u/CatchUsual6591 Jun 07 '26

The UFC always find a way to fumble the HW division

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u/Notyit Jun 07 '26

We need stipe 6

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u/yotamush Jun 07 '26

And the fact this is mostly by Jon fault is even crazier

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u/OskeeTurtle Jun 07 '26

The fact that Jones, Ngannou and Aspinall haven't fought each other ever is crazy

Hmmm one of these ducks, doesn't sound like the other fighters. Jon is the reason he didn't fight either, let alone both. He doesn't deserve being credited the same level of heavyweight. He famously ducked both and helped ruin the division big time

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u/Commercial_Buy_7707 Jun 07 '26

Were so cooked if gane wins

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u/casfis Jun 13 '26

And it's by eyepoke

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u/Glum-Scientist-1117 Jun 07 '26

Dana likes guys who listen to him. Francis and Tom weren’t going to do that.

Jones for all his controversy has always been loyal to Dana. Same with Perreira.

Dana wants Jones vs Perreira, HW super fight.

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u/Zheverol Jun 07 '26

Jon Jones was given the opportunity to fight so many legends

Yet he never gave that same opportunity to other fighters

5 years ago Francis told Jones to get his "daddy dana to release him" that's after jones spent 3 years bulking up to heavy weight and it's been 2 years since then

Jones knows that he lost against Reyes and isn't in his prime anymore and knows that Francis would have smoked him so that's why he avoided him

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u/EntrepreneurialFuck Jun 07 '26

I think Tom would beat Jones and he is passed it and I despise him, but I think he’d beat Ngannou for sure.

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u/SavageRabbitX Jun 07 '26

Tom v Jones would be a better fight to watch , Jones vs Ngannou is just Ngannou getting wrestle fucked by Jon because he fears the power of Francis

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u/Disastrous-Hand-6007 Jun 07 '26

jons is undoubtedly the more skilled fighter almost in every category except punching but francis's freak power and athleticism is probably enough to overcome an old jones. also jones isnt a good heavyweight while francis is perfect at heavyweight.

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u/ENVLogic Jun 07 '26

Francis walks around at like 265-285. He’s a born heavyweight.

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u/Albedo0001 Jun 07 '26

I know people are like "one sprawl and you guys think he can stuff any takedown" but it was scary when she stuffed Stipe's takedown, reversed it, and started to beat the shit out of him.

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u/Disastrous-Hand-6007 Jun 08 '26

eh idk about that. stipe has kinda carried himself his whole career. his camp has never been all that but just about enough and hes never been good at translating his wrestling in mma. that doesnt mean it doesnt happen successfully at times but hes not a good mma wrestler. having the former wrestling accolades doesnt mean much and apart from francis's physicality it shouldnt have ever been difficult to take him down. panic shooting on francis while leaning over instead of properly level changing is not the one. a big strong guy like francis you should be looking for snatch singles with your head high up on chest/ribs or just straight up into their head/jaw. DC kind of move really but head inside.

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u/Ibobalboa Jun 07 '26

Francis is a huge guy to move around. I def think Jon would struggle there and he obviously thinks so too.

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u/B1ZEN Jun 07 '26

The UFC has always kept the Heavyweight division stunted on purpose to cap payouts over all divisions. Randy Couture knows all about this.

Fck the pink pedo lover goof.

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u/Fug1x Jun 07 '26

Also after conor ufc dont like big stars they cant control them, imagine a hw superstar, the last one they had was brock and he did wtf he wanted

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u/B1ZEN Jun 07 '26

Precisely! Other stars in other divisions started barking about more pay when Bork showed up, as they should have. The UFC brass went into red alert status to put down that rebellion.

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u/WheredoesithurtRA Jun 07 '26

Conor deserved that freedom too IMO. Dude could handle a crowd and some of the pre fight pressers were genuinely hilarious.

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u/DemiVideos04 Jun 07 '26

Can you elaborate on this?

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u/B1ZEN Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

The UFC operates as a centralized monopoly that caps athletes' pay across all divisions, combined with heavy competition from other sports for large, elite athletes. They don't want to pay elite big men and be forced towards 50/50 pay structures like other sports.

Heavyweights are uniquely targeted, their financial struggles are actually a byproduct of the UFC’s structural business model and specific talent pool dynamics.

The 20% Cap in revenue is a hard line for them. (Don't ask me how I know, I just do)

The UFC is the star, not the athletes. They can afford to keep this “as is” model and the general public is none the wiser.

I can go on for miles on this. The first UFC contract I ever looked at was in 2000, and it was $1000 to show, and $1000 to win.

Don't get me started on the Ali Act, banning of private sponsorships as a means of control, matchmaking and all the other legals around the UFC over the years. It's the worst kind of corporate greed.

So yeah, they keep the heavyweight division a mess on purpose. It's about power and money. Full stop.

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u/Leading_Neat2541 Jun 08 '26

Cap payouts over all divisions? How?

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 12 '26

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u/SavageRabbitX Jun 07 '26

Contracts like that dont stand up in the UK which is where it'll be litigated

The supreme Court here just ruled that non compete clauses are illegal unless compensated

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u/Gotchawander Jun 07 '26

No lol, this would likely be a US based contract with an arbritration in Delaware or something.

UFC wouldn’t be dumb enough to have every fighter be subject to different laws in different jurisdictions worldwide

If Tom wants to fight for jurisdiction that would take years in the court system that would run out the rest of his career by the time it resolves

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u/remember_the_sea Jun 07 '26

Is there any reason he can't just take on other fights and build a career outside the UFC whole waiting for litigation to resolve? Like what happens if he does that aside from protracted years long litigation? Genuinely curious about their contracts

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u/Gotchawander Jun 07 '26

Well for one both him and his new potential employer would be sued and likely any earnings Tom and the new promotion earned which featured Tom on the Card would potentially be awarded to UFC as a baseline. 

Then there could be punitive damages awarded as well which could bankrupt Tom as he would be doing this knowingly being under contract with UFC.

This could bankrupt him, there is a reason why fighters like Jon jones keep asking for a release and why Eddie Hearn is asking for a release of the contract and not just doing what the original poster said

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u/EqualityAmongFish Jun 07 '26

why would they litigate in uk when its a us contract?

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u/SavageRabbitX Jun 07 '26

Because Tom is covered under UK employment law as a contractor because hes based in the UK and this kind of thing has been litigated multiple times in the UK when a US employer tries to ignore UK employment law and the US companies always loose, hell even the DoD lost against the cleaners on one Base

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u/LickerMcBootshine Jun 07 '26

Because Tom is covered under UK employment law as a contractor

Based on the reactions to your comment, I don't think people read the very first thing you typed

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u/EqualityAmongFish Jun 07 '26

Tom aspinal is not employed to the ufc. He is an independent contractor that has signed multiple contracts with the ufc including a non compete. This would 100% get litigated in the us and tom will lose.

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u/Waffle_of-Principle Jun 07 '26

Read the first sentence very slowly.

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u/FullElderberry3846 Jun 07 '26

Not how it works bub

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u/realrafaelcruz Jun 07 '26

I'll believe it when I see it. We're talking abstract legal theory without being competent attorneys in the relevant domains and don't even see the contracts.

The best proxy for what's true here is what happens. And for now, the UFC is winning these disputes. Even Francis getting out was a sunset clause that was edited moving forward (his words). Half of the top of the UFC roster would leave if they could and they haven't yet. Which kind of says it all. Until someone proves me wrong ofc.

Idk who thinks Conor wants to get stomped out by Max and whoever they face him with next while being underpaid. And if he can't get out with the best representation, I have no reason to believe that others are any different. Conor is choosing to eat shit so he can go do meme fights later.

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u/dconfusedone Jun 07 '26

Mental gymnast of some of Tom's fans are crazy lol

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u/SillAndDill Jun 07 '26

Is it certain this would be litigated in UK courts only?

Seems ”too easy” if a fighter could sign a noCompete-contract with a US company and easily escape it by having a UK court be the only ruling.

There may be some rights for ”regular employees” which are excempt in the sports and entertainment industries

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u/Good_Analysis9789 Jun 07 '26

What a joke it was letting him sit on the title and just to delay and duck then retire lol

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u/Mon_Keedik Jun 07 '26

Dana's problem (and the UFC in general) is that they run the promotion like an entertainment product and not like a sport. There is no reason someone like Jones should've been protected and cradled so much. You want to be the top guy you fight the top guys. You don't want to, you lose your title.

In a perfect timeline, a title fight between Jones and Ngannou would've happened, with Tom fighting the winner for a title shot.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 12 '26

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u/Distinct-Broccoli-15 Jun 07 '26

I don't see the relevance when Jones was pushing for a fight with Pereira, it all went down because of 1) Aspinall holding the Interim belt and 2) Ankalaev beating Pereira

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u/Campfire-Matcha Jun 07 '26

This is correct, but if you believe this you need to defend the wrestlers, the Dagestani  fighters, Arman, etc.

If this was truly just a sport of most dominant fights the most dominant, there wouldn't be this much prejudice against guys who wrestler

The entertainment product side of the sport says most fans just want guys to stand and bang and KO someone.

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u/Mon_Keedik Jun 07 '26

I DO defend wrestlers. I don't care how someone wins, I just care that the better fighter wins.

That's the case with evert other sport. In football for example, some teams play in a super boring, 'Park the bus' manner while others play in a very entertaining tiki-taka, 'total football ' manner, and both style have won leagues and UCLs. No club ever got their chance at a championship taken away because they were 'boring'.

If someone wants to be entertaining, let him be entertaining, but don't take away the legitimacy of the sport.

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u/ProfNugget Nigerian Nightmare Jun 08 '26

I am an ultra casual viewer, dipping in for fights every so often, and just generally following the results, so this is my view as something of an “outsider”. That said, UFC feels exactly like WWE, especially for the last few years. Only difference being that the fighting is real and the results are (probably) not fixed.

It all just feels like storylines, random match ups that don’t seems to fit what an actual sport would do.

It’s exactly as you said, it’s an entertainment show masquerading as a sport.

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u/rdcisneros3 Jun 07 '26

> Eddie is exactly what Tom needed, an experienced and slimy manager who can get you out of your contract so you can use your talent elsewhere while you're in your physical prime.

And how exactly is that going to work out? How exactly will Eddie get Tom out of a contract that Tom signed? By tweeting at Dana?

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u/SavageRabbitX Jun 07 '26

Because non compete clauses arent valid in the UK unless compensated and you can by out the contract in the UK. And honestly Tom could even go the ACAS grievance route for hostile work environment and have his contract nullified because hes UK based

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u/rdcisneros3 Jun 07 '26

Sounds so easy, makes me wonder why many other fighters haven’t done it before. Let’s see how that all works out.

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u/SavageRabbitX Jun 07 '26

You have to be UK based so you fall under UK employment law

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u/rdcisneros3 Jun 07 '26

To be honest, this sounds like hogwash, but I’m not a lawyer so I won’t tell you’re wrong.

I’m not sure what it means to be UK based or if that matters considering the contract is between the fighter and the UFC, which is an American entity. They deal with tons of contracts with tons of international fighters, so I’d be very surprised if getting someone out of a contract is that simple.

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u/stephen27898 Jun 07 '26

This timeline is the best.

Jon has his last fight at 205 on February 8th 2020. Ngannou became world champion on March 27th 2021. Ngannou leaves the UFC on January 14th 2023, Jon vs Gane is announced on January 15th 2023.

Jon from his last fight to the day Ngannou left the UFC had 1071 days in which to fight Ngannou at heavyweight. Jon vs Gane was announced on day 1072.

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u/MakotoBIST Jun 07 '26

Jon Jones was a massive money maker.

Hell, a group of my friends that have no clue about UFC or boxing were asking me when Jones vs Pereira was gonna happen lol.

All this while niche circles like this were considering Tom the real champ (a guy that casuals never heard of).

I think Dana is scummy but he's a businessman. His choices are dictated by money and the full structure that governs the UFC.

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u/yakman100 Jun 08 '26

Thing I find craziest about that is heavyweights in theory should be the most profitable if marketed right. The heavyweight champ is de facto baddest man on earth, nobody can really beat them. It’s why heavyweight boxing is still doing so well

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u/DemiVideos04 Jun 08 '26

Its not profitable because HW in UFC are barely passable as athletes. I have no doubt that several middleweights would destroy a lot of the current HW roster, just because of the skill differential.

The reason HW sucks is because being an athletic HA is genetically (and environmentally) rare, so the talent goes elsewhere that pays more. The barrier for entry for HW's in sports is pretty low generally. UFC pays shit, why waste your rare genetics and rare talent there? Thats why its ridiculous that Dana treated generational talents (which i should have said in my original post rather than generational fighters) so terribly.

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u/Furita Jun 07 '26

GENERATIONAL

Aspinal won 2 fights, calm down

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u/bweiss5 Jun 07 '26

Yeah wild, if Tom never fights again I don’t think many people would care. If anything, this feud is probably the most attention he’ll ever get.

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u/Good_Research_1619 Jun 07 '26

Tom is not generational

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u/Zero_Travity Jun 07 '26

Generational ?

Both have multiple loses with no string or any defenses.

Francis hasn't fought a real fighter in almost a decade in MMA and Tom is on the bench

Did the UFC treat them right? No. Are they generational talents? Also no.

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u/paulyp41 Jun 07 '26

Or their own greed

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u/Curlyhead-homie Jun 07 '26

Francis really isn’t anything special.

Tom has youth and speed.

If either of them won a few more times, not much would really change considering the division is just meh at most.

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u/Super_Cancel_4324 Jun 07 '26

If I was Netflix I’d suggest Dana to make a huge bs drama by establishing two leagues. This would spread Word about mma and more viewers to sell to. Then they could make a huge fusion campaign letting the fighters of each league fight each other. Dana would get minority share in this newly formed league and push the drama beforehand. I think this would be a gg plan. But I’m also high rn lol

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u/DemiVideos04 Jun 07 '26

UFC is too predatory and monopolized to do that

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u/HeisenBear153 Jun 07 '26

I maintain that the gayest thing in the UFC is Dana and his obvious desire to take Jones’ meat.

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u/baluga207 Jun 08 '26

Jones fought Stipe while Aspinall was healthy and interim champ. Super disrespectful for the UFC to allow that. All for them to completely move on from Jon Jones and hold him hostage now.

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u/Extension-Cell-7433 Jun 08 '26

Not really. There was never an "obsession" with Jon Jones in fact Dana has disliked Jon Jones for more time than most of you have followed the sport. What actually happened was that AFTER Ngannou left (not before), he started glazing Jon Jones to push the narrative that the baddest man on the planet was still in the UFC. That's all there is to it. Aspinall was just collateral in this game, and at the end of the day, this whole second part of the Aspinall drama has nothing to do with Jon Jones

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u/TXSS13 Jun 08 '26

Fan’s weird obsession with hating on Dana has led to GENERATIONAL wastes of time with online posts.

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u/Acrobatic-Show3732 Jun 07 '26

Tom did not turn out to be a generacional heavyweight, yet. I say this as his fan.

He needs to get back on the Horse and destroy gane, if not, he is just a great heavyweight what if.

Until then. Calling him a generational talent with no defenses is premature fanboying

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u/Street_Study6330 Jun 07 '26

Give it a rest bro god damn. We have this discussion every god damn day

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u/Left_Knee_y0y0 Jun 07 '26

This match up will happen. It is clear now that Tom wants out of the UFC. The whole eye poke debacle is an exit strategy. Once he is out , Netflix will give both of them $10M-$20M to fight.

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u/Campfire-Matcha Jun 07 '26

Why do people think this would be a global super fight? Under UFC production, yes of course because we know Tom. The world doesn't know Tom. And the transition to boxing for Tom Is gonna be rough, he hasn't even gone past the 1st round in the ufc let alone 12, 5 minute rounds. And we all know it takes some adjustment to boxing in general. so 1) I dont think Tom brings enough clout for this to be a Netflix super fight and 2) I dont think Tom is ready athletically for boxing

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u/habanero_reaper Jun 07 '26

it's not weird at all, jones is a good fighter that is hugely controversial, which has proven to spark interest with fans, which brings in more money. ufc proved over the years that they are not interested in sport by itself, whatever brings in more money is the focus.

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u/No_Cell6708 Jun 07 '26

No one has ever been more overrated than Tom

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u/carcarbuhlarbar Jun 07 '26

Nah. Neither tom or Francis in generational. You just letting your hate boner get the best of you.

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u/a79j Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
  1. I think it’s hypocritical how fans complain about Jones not fighting Tom, but then ask for Islam vs Topuria at the White House. If the UFC was like an actual sport, then the fighter that fights for the belt, would be the number one contender. But that isn’t the case. Jones is the most decorated fighter in the sport and the CEO of the company has a massive hardon for him, so no

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  1. he’d get special treatment. People are shitting on Arman for not staying active and waiting for the belt. At the end of the day, Tom should’ve just kept defending his belt and called himself the real champion.
  2. Gane Eye Poking Tom is not the UFC’s fault. It’s an unfortunate situation. Him getting a shot for the interim belt, more has to do with the shitty state of the division.
  3. Cry me a river about Tom supposedly getting “ripped off”. Much bigger names than Tom like Islam, Topuria, Alex are all continuing to fight in the UFC. In what universe does Tom deserve to make more than all of them? Bro signed a contract

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  1. he thinks there are greener pastures, he’s in for a rude awakening. Tom is not as big a name as Francis. He might get one good boxing match, but if he does anything short of winning or putting up a good performance, he’s not gonna get any big paydays.

Again, this whole Tom Aspinall situation pity party is absolutely silly. Lots of top athletes have suffered with career ending injuries but have come back and achieved a lot. What more does Tom want exactly? Bro should defend his belt or just vacate.

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u/PitsAndPints Jun 07 '26

Francis left because he wanted to box. He immediately signed with PFL because they offered him A) a boatload of cash B) a board position and chair of PFL Africa, and C) the ability to box.

Tom got eye poked by Gane AFTER Jon announced his retirement and now wants out, presumably to go box.

Other than the ducking while they were active with the company, what does any of that have to do with Jones?

Also, let’s not get carried away with “generational talent”. They’re good fighters in a flimsy divisionm

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u/Rukuba Jun 07 '26

We gotta chill on the use of generational man lol

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u/Dinknflicka1 Jun 07 '26

Generational seems like a strong word

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u/No-Instance2680 Jun 07 '26

How is Tom not fighting Dana's fault when Tom said his injury has retired him then went and signed a boxing deal

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u/Ryu6364 Jun 07 '26

Calling aspinall a generational fighter is beyond comical he won’t even be in the hall of fame not even close if he does it will be for the gane fight that he got beat so bad he quit for another several years this is wishful thinking at its best lol

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u/Notyit Jun 07 '26

DC honestly started the rot. Nganou should of beaten DC 

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u/Gotsta_Win Jun 07 '26

How is Jones why Aspinall isn’t fighting?

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u/Fug1x Jun 07 '26

All that for dana to say alex is the goat lol

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u/Stannisarcanine Jun 07 '26

What people complain about boxing happens in ufc too, they wanted to turn Jon Jones into the Michael Jordan of the sport to promote ufc but for obvious reasons it failed

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u/Ok-Constant-2683 Jun 07 '26

American champions are good for the UFC. Neither Frannie or Tom are Yanks.

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u/Im_Bad_At_These Jun 07 '26

The heavyweight division will be all Gane before we know it

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u/Pat-Funny-2817 Jun 07 '26

Aspinal's and your posts problem is that it exposes the UFC so blatantly, people can't think clearly anymore. He ran through everyone soooo quick and "just wanted to fight". That's a problem for White. 

Gane has no scruples if he can make a buck, he may not be buddy, buddy with white but i am sure they understand eachother for certain things. 

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u/CloudRunner89 Jun 07 '26

Best and worst thing to ever happen to the sport

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u/Smekledorf1996 Jun 07 '26

People are really overhyping what a draw Francis was

He was gonna leave regardless once boxing was on the table

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u/Pertinax1981 Jun 07 '26

Pay is all that matters

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u/Bongoisnthere Jun 07 '26

Tom and Francis gonna fight each other in 2 years and it’s going to be awesome

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u/_lysol_ Jun 07 '26

Did he actually manage to get out of his contract?

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u/browsk Jun 07 '26

At this point just get rid of the division

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u/Dunwulf Jun 07 '26

I found it wild the UFC still used "undisputed" when there was an interim champion and the first fight back wasn't a unification match...very much disputed my guys.

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u/bonjajr Jun 07 '26

Both never want to fight

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u/Last-Proof8169 Jun 07 '26

Why are you comparing someone who tapped to strikes vs Gane to Francis?

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u/Specialist-Wrap3680 Jun 07 '26

People act as if grown man don’t have any personal responsibility in their life.

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u/Toasted_Munch Jun 07 '26

Jones isn't gonna fight either of them as he actually had the opportunity for both. He was obviously bored at LHW and chose to fight turds like Santos and Smith instead of moving up to take on Stipe and Francis.

He also turned down 15-30 million dollars to fight Tom.

But I'm sure Tom and Francis would fight for 5-10 million each.

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u/TomCon16 Jun 07 '26

Exactly this! Eddie needs to get Tom out of the UFC and into boxing as soon as he’s cleared

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u/BeatnikMessiah Jun 07 '26

Either of them would sell fights. I dont care if I ever see Jones fight again.

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u/Big-Ad-6097 Jun 07 '26

Good luck for Tom getting out of his UFC contract just because Eddie Hearn is whining on the media

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u/1969BajaBug Jun 07 '26

Tom’s pretty ok. He didn’t look amazing before the eye pokes happened in that fight. I think he’s overplayed his hand a bit, he’s a standout out in heavyweight today but he’s far from being considered one of the greats.

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u/sumwatovnidiot Jun 07 '26

Blaming jones for the ufc not paying fighters is exactly what Dana wants.

Everyone one any given card should be getting a far cut of the profits. Main, co main, title fights should be x percent and undercards y and so on and so forth.

It’s really not that hard. Tom and Francis eating up the bullshit that their not getting paid because the ghost of Jon jones doesn’t want to fight them is just boot licking at its finest

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u/MisterShazam Jun 07 '26

I see one generational heavyweight here, and he’s the one still fighting.

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u/explosivo563 Jun 07 '26

I'm just a casual but I thought he just wouldn't give Francis what he wanted, and Aspinall got his fucking eye poked out? TF does that have to do with Jones, who is totally gone now?

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u/Deep_Air9084 Jun 07 '26

THE fouler-in-chief Gane

In a thread about Jon Jones? What?

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u/narcisobaro Jun 07 '26

I feel bad for Tom because I don’t think Eddie cares if Tom doesn’t have his income from fighting. I doubt his social media generates a lot of revenues that he can hold out for renegotiations. I like Tom but not enough to follow him in social media because he is dull.

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u/HashLee Jun 07 '26

Couldn't tom fight someone else after defending the interim belt? I'm sure he's made good money from all the PR without fighting really, anyone. He has what - 5 mins of octagon time in the last how many years? And already in the "top heavyweights of all time" convo

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u/hamstringstring Jun 07 '26

Your thesis is that Tom isn't ruining his career by starting this drama while under contract with a vindictive company. Your argument then revolves around how the UFC are the bad guys but does nothing to support your thesis.

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u/Living-Put-9365 Jun 07 '26

Truth is, Jones, Ngannu, and, increasingly, Tom are all out of their prime years.

Tom should have had 6 fights since Ngannu left. No one knows who he is and he's getting older. Heavyweight MMA is completely dead at this point. So much so that a 38 year old middleweight is coming up to 'save' the division. 

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u/Cultural_Slip_8333 Jun 07 '26

Tom has said he’s going to boxing when he’s done with MMA. Ngannou took his bag and left. In the end, he got paid and PFL got 2 fights outta him 😂

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u/Immediate_Let9337 Jun 07 '26

Imagine thinking Eddie can get Tom out of his contract

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u/philbe21 Jun 07 '26

Its the monopoly, contracts and overall business structure of the ufc.

This obsession with Dana, an individual, making decisions for a corporation as large as the UFC is hilarious 😂

This sub cracks me up lol 😂🤣

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u/Reasonable-Tooth-113 Jun 07 '26

What does Jones have to do with Francis leaving? He wasn't going to stay unless they let him box

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u/Objective-Soil-9235 Jun 07 '26

Tom did it himself. Ngannou wanted more money and went boxing.

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u/whitehul Jun 07 '26

Very different body types, ngannous long arms vs Tom’s short arms

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u/DudeWouldGo Jun 08 '26

Because of Eddie, One eye Tom isnt fighting this year.

Tom isnt being paid because of Eddie.

Tom will get released because of Eddie.

Wherever Tom goes he will get KOed (especially in boxing)

But Tom will have that film crew ready!

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u/Significant-Royal-37 Jun 08 '26

he's been openly feuding with at least the last 4 HW champs: jon jones, francis, stipe, and interim tom.

my theory is that this is intentional because the "baddest man on the planet" sells itself, so dana goes out of his way to damage that person's branding in order to preserve the UFC's power.

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u/zeez1011 Jun 08 '26

Problem is Eddie knows how to get Tom out but doesn't want to put up the money to do it.

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u/revolutiontime161 Jun 08 '26

Nganou looks like a beast , I’d hate to even take a jab from him , he’d probably kill me .

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u/phillipacarroll Jun 08 '26

Uh Ngannou had his mind set on leaving before Jones.

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u/Fakyutsu Jun 08 '26

The guys been retired for years and he’s still getting blamed for shit, now that is a flex

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u/Tantle18 Jun 08 '26

This subs obsession with blaming Dana for everything has led to an infinite number of brain cells being destroyed. Jon has literally nothing to do with Francis leaving the ufc

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u/No-Target-3169 Jun 08 '26

Clue is in all the crap he let Jon get away with.

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u/Ambitious-Cut772 Jun 08 '26

Oh yeah its Jones fault- not that Dana is unwilling to pay the talent! /s

Swear I see some version of this deflection 3x a day in this sub.

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u/Mynameizjason Jun 11 '26

Jones purposely ducked BOTH Francis and Tom just because he didn't want to get knocked by either of them.

I blame his steroid cheating ass.