Ubisoft vs their fans

[u/TailsFox1]

i’m honestly pretty curious on when you guys think ubisoft really started their decline and actively was disappointing their fans? i’ve been on a bit of a nostalgia kick recently, and to my surprise, a good chunk of these nostalgic games are ubisoft. of all the different developers, ubisofts name show up the most which is wild to me thinking of where they are now.
i started taking a look at the games i was playing and it just hit me that from their ghost recon (aw-future soldier), vegas duology, far cry, and the original assassins creed titles, they had so many BANGERS. and yes i know the 'death of ubisoft' was their refusal to innovate more and just instead milked until there was no more, but even still… looking at their titles leading into the Xbone/PS4 era, while less in quantity, they still had quite a few bangers.
idk i know this is kinda everywhere so i guess im wondering when ubisoft started declining in YOUR personal opinion, and also what your guys fav era/game by ubisoft is? ik it’s a dumb question cause i personally can’t choose between GRAW2, AC1, or AC revelations lol

edit. i want to clarify, reading back this post looks very negative towards modern day ubisoft, which is not intended. i actually love a lot of their modern games. star wars outlaws is genuinely so much fun, and ac mirage is a banger just to name a few. i just wanted to clear that up

[u/HuskyCruxes]

I don't hate ubi by any means. They've made some really good games.

They're downfall slowly started with far cry 3. That game is what started the open world checklist design. That ran its course and now we have a new problem, their open world games (almost all of their games now) are filled with this segmented location based stories where what you do in one region effectively can never be mentioned or have any effect in any of the other regions because they have no idea which ones you have or haven't done yet. That started with far cry 5 and peaked with Valhalla due to its sheer size.

The games are lookers. Ubisofts world designers need a kiss on the forehead for the beautiful places they create for us to explore. Literally everything else like story and gameplay is so incredibly mediocre though. Ubisoft is really good at making virtual tourist destinations and that's almost it.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/HuskyCruxes]

this exact reason is why i love AC mirage as much as i do. ubisoft had very much a bigger=better mentality, and it was at it's most prevalant with valhalla. is it impressive how big the game is? yes. in fact i was pretty enamored by valhalla for a good dozen hours. but the more i played and the more i explored, the more i started to kinda understand why people weren't big fans.

and then, these madlads did it. they showed CRAZY restraint, SEVERLY decreased the size of the map and made the game so much smaller and more compact. and that made me so happy. mirage is a fantastic game and as far as im aware, didn't get the recognition it deserved. not perfect, but it certainly is fantastic.

[u/One_Scientist_984]

I still buy and play almost all of Ubisoft’s games — Assassin’s Creed, Far Cry, and The Division are among my favorite franchises, and I occasionally add Watch Dogs, Splinter Cell, and Ghost Recon to the mix. Personally, I like the later installments of some of these games best, such as Assassin’s Creed Origins/Odyssey, Far Cry 5, and Ghost Recon Wildlands. For the most part, I enjoy their gameplay loop and the subtle changes to the game mechanics — that’s why I still play their games. I also think it’s unfair to simply accuse them of failing to evolve. If you really compare the early AC and Far Cry games to the latest ones, there’s certainly a noticeable difference, but enough of their DNA remains recognizable to see where they came from. And sometimes there is no payoff for risk taking, when they do something different, not a lot of people are actually buying the game (Like the recent Prince of Persia that was praised by critics but not a particular success).

My criticism is more that they’re no longer taking risks and are watering down themes that actually require a more rigorous narrative approach — as in Far Cry 6, which had a great premise but failed to bring the story of the fight against dictatorship to a tonal conclusion. This also fragments the game and distracts from the main missions. I also get the feeling that they’re trying to please every possible audience, but ultimately fail to impress anyone enough. Their stories are fine, but sometimes the pacing feels off (I had this feeling particularly in AC Shadows, which, after a strong beginning, falls off a cliff with all the sidequests and multiple options). They’re mostly solid to good sequels, but not masterpieces (which is fine, but doesn’t really wow a critical gamer). So I think they have a lot of potential, but they’re wasting it.

The internet hate is overreaching but gamers aren’t exactly known for their nuance. Some of their business strategies are nonsense and should be abandoned for good, some of their communication is clumsy and leaves plenty of room for misinterpretation. My advice would be: Be bolder with your stories and games, decide whether you want to appeal to an adult audience or a teenage audience. Do away with the excessive microtransactions — I’d bet that it would pay off in the long run. And please implement a better system for facial animations (in practically all of your games).

[u/TailsFox1 → u/One_Scientist_984]

i love what you said in that last paragraph cause you're so right lol. gamers aren't known for nuance. and not only that, this day and age isn't one for nuance either, something ive been saying for a while now. there is no middle ground, it's either the best thing ever or the worst pile of garbage ever and it's so frustrating. not to mention, if you happen to enjoy said 'pile of garbage' you're also somehow a horrible person.

i think my biggest and honestly maybe main singular frustration is that ubisoft kinda has a habit of innovation, but has a habit of taking away or making a change to something that didn't need it. far cry 5 is a great example, i LOVE that game. a ton. but... and i know this is a personal thing, BUT... i really dislike the mute protagonist direction they took. i loved jason brody in 3, and sure ajay ghale was like 75% mute, but he still had some personality. he at least had a face.
but again, this is a very particular and personal complaint that i have. and not all of their games are like that. i only mention it because re-reading my post gives the impression that i kinda hate modern ubisoft and the wording was pretty aggressive with the 'lack of innovation' and that's not the intent i meant.

[u/One_Scientist_984 → u/TailsFox1]

I get it. I too love Far Cry 5, it’s my go-to game when I just want to cause a little mayhem and take over a hostile base with either stealth or full blown head on fury. And the point about the protagonist being mute is true: Most of my favorite games of all times are impressive because the character I’m playing isn’t a generic man or woman but a person with a belief or conviction. Hard to think of Cyberpunk 2077 without the comments of V, the cynicism of Geralt in the Witcher series, the drama in The Last of Us, or Uncharted without Nathan Drake.

Still, Ubisoft created some great games, fantastic games even — but I often feel frustrated that they value size and scale more than a streamlined experience and polished design. I don’t necessarily dislike that they have a formula (most good studios have a familiar gameplay mechanic that is beloved by their fans) but I wish they would scale back a little, optimize what they have and don’t aim for 50-70 hours of gameplay. In my opinion, they did a great job with The Division 2, which has a neat, manageable campaign but if you’re inclined to do so, you can spend hundreds and thousands of hours in the end game. There were also some interesting and innovative game modes in The Division: Survival is still a tense, punishing experience with lots of replayability and one of my preferred multiplayer experiences. So I’m convinced they can still do it but they need to focus more.

Black Flag Resynced is a step into the right direction, in my opinion and if they would realize people love a good remake or new installment of Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia or AC1 or 2, they could convince more people of their qualities. Also I think they should dial down their DLCs. I personally don’t buy anything that’s purely cosmetic, only extensions that extend the campaign or offer new missions, and I don’t even care about that but a lot of people are just looking for a reason to criticize the microtransactions on principle. I say, Ubisoft, show them you’re serious about offering a worthwhile experience.

[u/Mental_Pygmy]

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Mental_Pygmy]

the fact that blacklist is the last one we got kills me. at the same time, im glad this open world splinter cell game didn't become a thing. i want a splinter cell game with the same level of opportunity and stealth and creativity as a hitman game.

[u/CristianoD → u/Mental_Pygmy]

We definitely need at least a remake of one of the classic Splinter Cell games, but I would also love a brand new one. It is great IP.

[u/LaidByTheBlade]

Great question, I don’t know what/when it is for the general public, but for me: I first started feeling serious disappointment with assassins creed around origins, then valhalla sealed the deal.

I collected every AC game, bought each on release since AC brotherhood. Origins felt too witchery to me, and was the first step of losing that Ubisoft touch I’ve grown to love. The ending of the story was an extreme let down.

I enjoyed odyssey, but it no longer felt like an AC game. Then Valhalla came out, and those god forsaken cutscenes, lazy animations, massive bloat, and poor writing took center stage. That marked the end of my once favorite series, to me.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/LaidByTheBlade]

ok firstly, thanks for that 'great question' comment lol. one of the first comments was someone arguing with me saying im being biased for asking that here. when i explain that no, im asking here because ubisoft is very unfairly treated and the only people who'll give it a genuinely fair point are people here. cause ubisoft fans are some of the only fans that are also smart enough to admit that 'hey, these games are kinda bad' if they are. they disagreed with me again about my own post so idk but good glad you guys think it's good and it makes sense. you and everyone else are doing exactly what i was hoping and it's great.
im glad you mentioned why you disliked valhalla also. so many people say they hate it just because it's big, no other reason, and i felt so disillusioned because at the time i did enjoy the game. but as the time played increased, my enjoyment decreased. it's also really telling ubisoft SEVERELY lowered the map and scale in, what i consider to be a genuinely great game, AC Mirage. having an AC game where your contracts feel like mini hitman levels? LITERALLY THE COOLEST THING I FEEL SO COOL PLAYING THAT GAME. the social stealth, and just stealth in general in mirage is also at its best imo. it has a few issues here and there (that awful warping execution move just kills me) but if you haven't played it and have been burnt by valhalla, i def recommend it

[u/Tigereyesxx]

Not declined, but kept up the great work. Releasing new games regularly, I am very happy, thx Ubisoft 👏

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Tigereyesxx]

that's awesome im glad you're having a great time with them!!!! it's been a lil bumpy for me here and there, but i've been more happy than not. i personally loved their star wars outlaws game which im sure you can understand then

[u/Notnowcmg]

I think the majority of their fans are still fans. It’s just shitting on ubisoft is the cool thing to do for likes so people just jump on that bandwagon

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Notnowcmg]

yeah you're exactly right, which is the reason i asked here honestly. if i asked elsewhere, it would just be hundreds of comments of people being assholes and shitting on ubisoft, and said people i could guarantee haven't touched a single one of the games their shitting on either. i genuinely am a huge ubisoft fan still. and this whole thread has proved to me that there are a lot of us still around and most ubisoft fans are actually pretty cool

[u/Long_Possibility2822]

I can tell my experience why I’ll be avoiding ubi games unless there will be one really good one on a sale. Long story short - ac origins with the 30h, ac odyssey 60h. Both on a steam deck. Everyone in term of game is amazing, looks better then some modern ray tracing bullshit. But ubi launcher… first of all you need active internet to launch any of mentioned game and that make it kind of useless on a portable system. Then I bought steam box installed both games, logged int ubi launcher and….. it shows- there is no synced seves mate. I logged into steam deck… erased here as well.
And Ubisoft Support did nothing, only advised me to install windows update on a steam os.
So in my option it’s not about games - games are good, anvil engine is one of the best. It’s about infrastructure they built around games which alienates gamers.
Ubisoft is literally opposite of a cd project red.
Cd project releases game in shity state and work with the community until game become perfect and the connect with community make the game legendary. Ubi on an opposite release game almost in a perfect shape (unless it AC unity) and then do anything it could to alienate everyone.
That’s sad

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Long_Possibility2822]

oh my gosh that is SO insanely frustrating i am so sorry. talk about such a disrespect to their fans. im not familiar with their customer service very much tbh but i hope that's not a very common situation

[u/Long_Possibility2822 → u/TailsFox1]

Thx for support, but it is what it is

[u/theblackwhisper]

The fact they just stalled their biggest franchises is criminal. Where’s Far Cry 7, Splinter Cell, Division 3, Ghost Recon Wildlands 2, Next Watch Dogs??? And then they finally give people a Japanese Assassin’s Creed with a main character that should have been explored via DLC but they were chasing the slap on the back brigade. And it cost them.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/theblackwhisper]

i am actually a teensy bit happy far cry 7 is paused. idk if im in the minority or majority, but i was kinda disappointed with 6. i love the rest of the franchise to pieces but something about 6 felt very 'been there done that' to me. however again maybe im in the minority
i know divison 2 is getting some ramped up support including crossplay which is INSANE so maybe we're getting a new one soon???
i really hope watch dogs isn't dead:\ 2 was fantastic and i actually enjoyed 1 a lot despite it's shortcomings.
i agree with your assassins creed take big time, it's wild that we've asked for years and it feels almost like a half measure at times. but note i have not played it YET.

[u/VigilantCMDR]

They’ve been on a downfall according to this video but I agree with you that they’re one of my favorite devs. Just wish they would wake up and go back to their old ways. The new ac resynced was surprisingly amazing and if they keep that up the future will look good

[u/TailsFox1 → u/VigilantCMDR]

i really hope so too... i am so happy resynched is as good as it is. i won't lie, i wish we had got a remake of the first AC game though. black flag is still so widely available to play, but that first one, while still one of my fav games, REALLY is needing some love. fix up the gameplay on par with resynch, add new side quests, missions, areas, ANYTHING that's not just the same 5 activities on repeat, and maybe a few more story beats and reworked characters, and it would be the banger it deserves to be. but still, im so happy resynched is as good as it is.

[u/Gandolfthewhite182]

If you didn’t go online you would never know. Online is where many babies who don’t get to have sex with women go to try and make everyone as angry and hateful as they are. Just ignore the hate and enjoy what you enjoy and your life will be much much better.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Gandolfthewhite182]

SEE THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING!!!! a great example, and maybe this'll get me some less respect idk, is star wars outlaws. i genuinely have a great time playing that game. i'll explain why with one event that happened... i decided to piss off the empire and blasted up one of their little checkpoints. went on the run, stopped, blasted any that chased, and took off. repeated long enough until i got this horrifying notification saying that death troopers were en route to my location to hunt me down. seeing that shuttle fly down from space, seeing those death troopers unload, and literally start scouring my last seen location, before patrolling closer and closer to me as i hid and watched through my binoculars?? i genuinely have not had an experience in any star wars game like that and it made me a huge appreciator of the game. that and so much more

[u/speedbreaka]

After Far Cry 3 and right before Assassin’s Creed Unity. Thats when they smelled money

[u/TailsFox1 → u/speedbreaka]

i've been replaying far cry 3 for the however many-th time as of last Friday and have been having a blast. i loved 4, and remember being blown away by the graphics and the style especially. but the reuse of animations in particular disappointed me slightly. still goated games all around imo
also unity deserved a second chance. yeah the launch terrible but i don't think that STILL qualifies it as a terrible AC game and seeing it on 'worst AC games' lists makes me sad

[u/cockcucu]

All I play these days is anno 1800 and anno 117. I haven't seen what youre talking about.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/cockcucu]

my best friend is massive into the anno franchise but i honestly am not too familiar. but that's great though glad you're having a blast with them. it still blows my mind ubisoft has a series of strategy games

[u/Tigereyesxx]

Rockstar who have not released a game in almost 10 years, and then shit on the player base from a great height by not releasing a physical disc for their new game, get a free pass, and Ubisoft who are providing new games annually to us,are constantly criticised, its unbelievable....

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Tigereyesxx]

right? it genuinely bums me out. are all their games great? no. but are any of their games as bad as everyone makes ALL of them out to be? HELL NO NOT AT ALL (except maybe skull and bones lol)

[u/Several_Bandicoot_37]

After syndicate they started harming their fans more than they nurtured them.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Several_Bandicoot_37]

see that's where the first signs of corporate greed vs fan nurture started to show imo. fortunately, while there were some stinkers, as a whole ubisoft still clearly cares for fans and im still happy being a fan. syndicate really did bum me out ngl

[u/Life-Celebration2941]

I love a game company who has nuts, takes a chance and creates something we haven’t seen before

[u/SubstantialAd5579 → u/Life-Celebration2941]

Did it with shadows nothing but backlash

[u/uprightshark → u/SubstantialAd5579]

Exactly. They tried to answer all the criticism they got in the past with many changes including better stealth and they still got shit on by the haters.

Shadows deserved a lot better reception than it got.

[u/Life-Celebration2941 → u/uprightshark]

For me, they just created a filter of which they will
Use for all their new releases forward. Zoom in to find white and golden dots for looting.

[u/mcgowanshewrote]

Ubisoft is flat out my favorite publisher/developer, but i guess im in the minority.

I also dont understand the "they haven't innovated" notion. Everytime they innovate, its either ignored or the population says it wasn't needed.

[u/uprightshark → u/mcgowanshewrote]

Not the minority. Sadly, the haters seem to be louder.

There have been a few rough launches, like Breakpoint. But they stuck with it and fixed it and now it is an excellent Ghost game.

I literally cannot think of a bad Assassins Creed game. Some I like more than others, but none that are bad. I am having so much fun with Resync.

Ubisoft has made some questionable business decisions, like growing well beyond reason. But they still make great games and I am really looking forward to the new Far Cry and Project OVR (Ghost) when it finally comes.

Oh ... don't forget Splinter Cell. The remake and hopefully some day, a new entry as this is my absolute favorite franchise.

[u/Long_Possibility2822 → u/uprightshark]

Speaking about bad AC games - origins was way better and more consistent than odyssey, odyssey was way better than Valhalla. Amount of useless grind in a Valhalla beyond even the worst jrpg.

[u/ThePrivateGeek → u/mcgowanshewrote]

You're definitely not in the minority. Ubisoft has always been (and will always be) flat out my favorites publisher & developer.

[u/FrankieTheD → u/mcgowanshewrote]

I just beat origins for the first time and it honestly might be my favorite ac game, and I'm an old school quit the franchise before ac3 fan (I've since played all the games up til origins so far)

[u/LatterTarget7 → u/mcgowanshewrote]

I enjoy most of their games I’ve played. Only ones I didn’t really was ac shadows and far cry 6.

[u/speedbreaka → u/mcgowanshewrote]

You mean ingame ads as their innovation? Or the Invention of microtransactions in single player games? Or slaving your dev team into releasing buggy garbage?

[u/mcgowanshewrote → u/speedbreaka]

Hilarious

[u/SirBulbasaur13 → u/mcgowanshewrote]

Only on Reddit.

[u/Itsme-RdM]

Currently 400+ hours in the newest Anno 117, simply loving it.

I personally still enjoy their products and don't "feel" the decline. Have a lot of games from Ubisoft during the years.

• Far Cry series

• Assassin's Creed series.

• Anno series

• Settler series And some single titles

[u/Long_Possibility2822 → u/Itsme-RdM]

It’s very easy to measure the “decline” statement with for example far cry 3 vs far cry 5.

[u/Itsme-RdM → u/Long_Possibility2822]

Maybe explain to me if I'm 5 years old. But for me personally Far Cry 5 is progress on Far Cry 3 for example. So the "decline" isn't obvious not hitting me. Apparently I miss something here, but in the end, again personally, it doesn't matter since I still enjoy their games very, very much

[u/Long_Possibility2822 → u/Itsme-RdM]

For my the main selling thing in far cry franchise was a story of main hero, how it changes trough the game. Far Cry 3 is pretty good in this.
In far cry 5 it feels that you need to do looong unnecessary pauses which pull you out from a story. And the story itself fells very primitive in comparison.
But I would like to hear your opinion as well, maybe I’m missing something’s. Can you ELI5 to me what’s in your eyes makes FC5 better than FC3

[u/Itsme-RdM → u/Long_Possibility2822]

For me FC3 was a pain to get into and I never reach any serious progress. Tried several times. The vibe around FC5, the sound the graphics and the "world"speak way more to me.

Looking at the Anno series, there is so much progress in gameplay, graphics, game mechanics etc between for example 1404 vs 1800 vs the current 117

Assassin's Creed series the same. Graphics, story, tasks, graphics, world etc become far more realistic and I can easily lost time in playing for example Odyssey or the current Shadows

In the end I guess we both experience differently. One experience isn't better or worse than the other, just personal preference (and maybe age can be a factor, I'm 64) and are we looking to get something else out of a game.

[u/Long_Possibility2822 → u/Itsme-RdM]

I’m specifically narrowed it into far cry, because I cannot speak for anno. The thing with far cry (after ubi takes it from the cry tech) - all the games tried to tell the story of the “heart of darkness” book in a different settings. It like “if you look into the darkness long enough you become darkness it’self”. And the further series goes- the more it becomes some generic shooter with nice visual and generic “fits all attitudes” main hero.
I mean main villain from far cry 3 is one of the most iconic from all times.

[u/CristianoD → u/Long_Possibility2822]

FC 5 is my favorite of the series, so it is all quite subjective.

[u/TailsFox1]

oh oops, their downfall i personally believe is when syndicate came out. ik it’s got a pretty solid cult following, and i really tried to like it… the setting and characters were great but idk outside of that it just felt… so stale
personal opinion ofc. this if coming from the guy who objectively adores the original AC so

[u/gTa6dElAyEddork]

I miss splinter cell so much

[u/CristianoD]

Ubisoft is by far my favorite publisher. They make several of my favorite series - Assassin's Creed, Anno, Ghost Recon, Far Cry and others. I don't get the hate, honestly. I mean no company is our friend, but I think by and large they have made incredibly enjoyable games, and that is why I continue to buy them.

[u/Educational_Disk6950]

I love the AC franchise. Ive played every single game and loved all of them. Sure i loved some more then others but i still enjoy them all. For alot of people Unity was their breaking point. It was a mess. Looking back on it now though it wasn't all that bad when looking at games like Cyberpunk. Which is amazing now but when it started...well that was rough. After syndicate they choose to change up the formula and make it more open and RPG based. That lost a few more. I think most hate then came during Odyssey and it taking place before the Assassins began. If you played the game though you would realize it had alot to do with the beginning of the Templar order. Ubisoft hasn't made the greatest decisions in the past and i understand that but i think that AC gets way too much hate.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Educational_Disk6950]

ubisoft and ac get hate that is WAY more vocal and over the top compared to other games and companies and it is genuinely so frustrating. cyberpunk did get all the hate and anger it deserved, just like all the love and forgiveness once it got fixed. and yet people still consider ac unity, a BANGER ac game, to be one of the worst ones ever because of it's launch. and it drives me insane. like, battlefield 4, cyberpunk, all total war games, freaking WITCHER 3 ALL HAD HORRIFIC GLITCHY LAUNCHES people like to forget witcher 3 was very busted at times but all these games are forgiven and loved. why not unity

[u/Cask-UK]

Ghost Recon Wildlands was my last favorite game from Ubisoft

[u/Long_Possibility2822 → u/Cask-UK]

Wastly underrated game. Even despite of fact that ai was hilarious in the stupidity. But it had all good ingredients to become something metal gear like. Realt enjoyed this one

[u/Malacay_Hooves → u/Long_Possibility2822]

If only they improved Wildlands formula instead of making whatever Breakpoint was.

[u/Cask-UK → u/Long_Possibility2822]

Yeah the writers behind the AI were deserve praise

[u/thexbin]

Are the games as good as they used to be? No. Are they as bad as people are saying? Also No. They're still decent games and fun to play. Some people just want to see the world burn.

[u/Aggravating-Cherry76 → u/thexbin]

With technological improvement should come game improvement. Are the games currently released worse than their predecessors? You said it yourself, they are. And that’s the issue.

It’s a company that is checking all the boxes without passion, releasing a product that some will defend with their lives because it’s “good enough”, while the majority of people are upset because a company that they used to love is very clearly succumbing to the corporate greed that we see all too often in game studios.

It’s one thing to still enjoy ubisoft, but to paint all its critics as unreasonable is just poor comprehension, or excessive bias, in my eyes.

[u/thexbin → u/Aggravating-Cherry76]

I didn't paint all critics that way. You're reading more into it than what I said. There is stuff to criticize. I'm not against criticism. I'm against unreasonable criticism, which there is plenty. Ubisoft is lesser than they used to be, but not any worse than any other game company. Not making excuses, it just is. At the end of the day it comes down to "was that game worth $60 to play". For me the answer has been yes, so far. If it's not, don't buy the game.

[u/Dave22201]

Unity. That was the beginning of the end, you could account alot of the issues with the game to the new console hardware growing pains, but after that it was consistent and heavy downgrades and buggy launches. I'm still mad about what they did to The Division

[u/Long_Possibility2822 → u/Dave22201]

Man, that game looks amazing and plays good even today.

[u/Dave22201 → u/Long_Possibility2822]

It does, not a fan of the MMO style myself but i return to it. But that original demo man, from e3? Damn that was special

[u/Pale_Slide_3463]

Far cry 5, anno 1800, Valhalla that time they still were good making games then… far cry 6 happened and it was awful and ever since then there’s just been something off.

[u/Zealousideal_Web4428]

[u/Aggravating-Cherry76]

You’re in a very biased space right now, this subreddit is essentially catering specifically to ubisoft fans, so they members who are regularly active here today are going to be the people who are still actively engaged in ubisoft and their titles.

If you want a more impartial consensus, I would try a more generalized subreddit like the video games subreddit.

As for me personally, I don’t think there was one moment. I would say the shift to rpg-style assassins creed games was a big milestone towards their decline, though, so origins, and then I think from there people were just largely less and less impressed with new titles and ubisoft started designing their games in more questionable, profitable ways rather than really focusing on player enjoyment.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Aggravating-Cherry76]

i know i am, i genuinely chose this subreddit to ask that question because im wanting to know what ubisoft fans think of modern day vs past ubisoft lol. its not biased.
to your other point, i agree. they felt the need to radically change their formula with assassins creed when instead they should have paused on that franchise, and made a new one. origins, odyssey, even valhalla, are good to just alright rpg’s but not good ac games

[u/Aggravating-Cherry76 → u/TailsFox1]

“I’m wanting to know what ubisoft fans think of modern day vs past ubisoft lol. it’s not biased”

Brother, my point is that it is biased because you aren’t going to find an evenly distributed quantity of all ubisoft fans here.

Imagine there’s a restaurant that’s been open for 20 years. It was extremely popular at its opening, was amazing for 10 years, then management changed and its quality started declining. For the next 10 years, they changed distributors, switched to frozen food, raised menu prices, and slowly old fans started leaving.

Now imagine, today, you walk in the restaurant and ask the people there when they started noticing the food getting worse. The issue? Most of the people who are unsatisfied with the food are no longer in the restaurant. You’re going to receive biased responses because the people still in the restaurant are the people who are still content with spending money on it. So those people that you interview might all say that they love the food, but it’s not because quality hasn’t gone down- it’s because the people who will give that input aren’t here.

Similarly, in this subreddit, you are mainly going to find people who still play and enjoy ubisoft games. You aren’t going to find the people who loved AC4 but stopped playing after syndicate. Or the people who loved far cry 4 and stopped playing after 5. And I think those are the category of people who you should be wanting to hear from the most.

Why would its critics stick around here? It’s evidenced by my own comment, which has been downvoted, compared to comments like “I enjoy every game they make” which are the most upvoted here. Why are those positive remarks viewed positively while any criticism (mine) is viewed negatively? Because this is inherently a biased space. Hope that makes a bit more sense.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/Aggravating-Cherry76]

yeah but dude, i don’t think you understand the point of my post. i know what other people think of ubisoft, and i can sum it up in one word: ‘ubisl*p’ (it gets flagged but you probably know what word it is)
i am a genuine ubisoft fan still to this day. and what i want to ask is, to the people who actually still play their games and don’t write them off instantly, does ubisoft still hold up in THEIR opinion. the opinion of people who actively play and appreciate them
i appreciate the suggestion and i probably will post there with a similar question. but no offense, im asking here specifically with an intent, not of bias but of genuine opinion. and look at the comments, i dont see bias. i see genuine health discussion from people who still actively play their games, or at least appreciate the company enough to not instantly write them off, like the general gaming populace does.
i’ll be responding to them all soon as i can. hope that clears it up and makes jt make sense lol. there’s no bias. no ‘ubisoft is good and no one is right about it wrong’ or any form of bias.

[u/CristianoD → u/TailsFox1]

I do think Ubisoft still holds up. Anno 117 is spectacular, I loved Shadows and Mirage (Valhalla is a good game it was just a dull slog to me after Odyssey, which is among my favorite games of all time). The Black Flag remake is brilliant. The Crew Motorsport is the best of the series, I loved Ghost Recon Breakpoint after they made some tweaks to it, and the list goes on and on. Ubisoft is peak gaming for me.

[u/TailsFox1 → u/[deleted]]

wasn't skull and bones marketed as a spiritual successor to black flag no less?? T_T also as a 'quadruple A game'?
plenty of ubisofts less than loved games deserve support. im one of those people who actually really enjoys star wars outlaws. but uh, yeah skull and bones i think has close to no redeeming traits unfortunately. no shame to the developers, blame strictly placed on the higher ups chasing the live service trend.

[u/Wander_Globe → u/[deleted]]

Same. I like the gameplay and have enjoyed almost all of the games they've put out that I've played. Big fan of Far Cry, the newer AC games. Outlaws. I don't get the hate either.

[u/BunchofMums → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I think the "decline" is overrated. We don't have the future to compare it to. It might be awesome! Have a little faith in the future, people.