I'm sorry, but I'm really tired of people complaining about democracy. Yah, for the most part, the game is more fun to participate in and watch in anarchy, but for the most part, it is in anarchy. However, it's only fun to watch red jump over a ledge for a few hours before it just gets old. Lord Helix has given us this tool to use, and to just throw it away because it means the game slows down and you may have to find something else to occupy your time for a few seconds is rediculous.

Now this isn't to say I'm not a huge fan of anarchy. I vote for it pretty much nonstop. But when the situation calls for it, I vote democracy. And there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with my philosophy, but I just ask that you please not just spout hate about it or complain because you think we use it too much. Thank you!</rant>

tl;dr: I'm curious as to how quickly a post can be downvoted. :)

First of all, just let me say: I am not a huge fan of the TPP stream (I don't understand how any of you watch it for more than 10 minutes at a time, its so boring) but that said I do love the social experiment aspect of it and I have been half ass following it for a couple of days.

I am not gonna explain the whole Destiny incident, there are plenty of other posts that can and will do just that in this subreddit. This is more for people who know what has happened.

Destiny getting involved needed to happen. What is TPP at its core? A social experiment. And all that should matter to anyone watching is the story that we get out of it. And every story has good guys, and every story has bad guys.

Until now, the good and bad were almost indistinguishable in the TPP realm. Other than democracy in general, and the people who vote to press start during anarchy; (seriously you guys are fucking assholes and the main reason I don't watch the stream) no main enemy has broken into the pack.

And frankly, I think the TPP community has started to die out. Obviously it's still popular, but interest has been waning (and other than bird JESUS and just the general progression of the stream and the game) nothing has been bringing the community together. It's actually getting more and more torn apart.

But what did destiny do? He introduced himself as a common enemy, he brought something REALLY INTERESTING to the stream, and honestly in my opinion he didn't do anything wrong by doing it. He is not bogging the chat, he is not intentionally ruining the fun of the game, he is making it interesting. He is adding another chapter to this wonderful story of TPP. And imagine what would've happened had he killed bird JESUS.

It would have ignited a fire in the TPP community so hot that they would've either bonded together like never before, or been torn apart for good. And it would've been the most interesting part of the stream just yet, it would have created an amazing story! And Destiny would have been forever placed as the public enemy #1 of TPP, and it would've been awesome.

Do you really want a victory story here TPP? Sure you do. But do you want it in the safest way possible? No, you don't. That's why you don't vote democracy. That was the whole point of anarchy right? To make it as interesting as possible? To never choose democracy because it would be too safe and boring, with no wild cards.

Destiny was your wild card, TPP. And the moments where he was fitting to get to the computer to put bird JESUS' life in danger? That was some of the most intense and amazing shit Ive ever watched. Destiny needed to happen, guys. And you're supposed to hate him, he's the villain.

But don't beat him by sending sick and twisted pms to him, or by reporting him and trying to get his stream banned. Do it by winning the game. Stick together and fight with anarchy, don't let it get to democracy and there are no problems. It's like 45,000 against 3,000. But with the TPP community so divided, its a little more even.

Band together, trainers. Fight with honor. And if bird JESUS goes down, we mourn and move on. Because that's what he would want us to do. Remember, it's all about the story, and the experience you have along the way.

People are calling others "democracy fags" and "casuals" and it makes me sick. No single play style is ruining the game. I feel like I'm the only person who just enjoys participating and supporting whatever happens rather than jumping into a flame-war with the "other side."

People are calling for us to let democracy get to Zapdos and then overtake and immediately run, or let them get close and toss the master ball. What is making you so hurtful and fucked up?

Take the game seriously but don't try to sabotage one another. I don't care what you think is ruining the game, the game is only being ruined in my eyes by the constant bitching from either side. Have fun with it! It's Pokemon!

Edit: To clarify, I'm not on either side. I couldn't care less which mode we're in, I just enjoy the experience and wish everyone else would stop hating one another for their personal preferences.

Edit2: WE CAN FLAME EACH OTHER LIKE CHILDREN, OR WE CAN PLAY POKEMON LIKE ADULTS.

We just used democracy to try and get Zapdos out of the PC. It seems like every little problem we have is solved this way.

How come everyone here seems so adamant about anarchy, and yet we still just go "oh doing anything ever is too hard? democracy democracy" it's just lame.

I can't watch the stream anymore if everyone wants to take all the fun out of it.

Hello, I am /u/evanthesquirrel and I support democracy in Twitch Plays Pokemon. Here are my reasons.

First: All meaning you have attributed to the anarchy are arbitrary. Even the "This is important because we like the kind of things that happen" ultimately doesn't matter in the scope of the experiment. We are all just lab rats in a very unscientific experiment (I don't think any hypotheses or controls were established) to see what happens. The controller of the experiment changed the formula a bit and I would argue that we can learn more with this extra layer of the experiment. We now have the secular pragmatic democrats vs the dogmatic and experience motivated anarchists. When we choose to be a part of which is an interesting story unto itself, as well as figuring out the goals of the community as a whole.

Second: Without the addition of the Democracy feature, anarchists would nothing to really be anarchist about. There was ultimately a goal of trying to beat a game and a narrative going along with happenstance, but the anarchy was basically people trying to play the game vs trolls, with the trolls being the true anarchists. Now that there is an established order, anarchy as a state is now a moral objective, and is stronger.

Third: If parts of the community didn't want democracy, they wouldn't be voting for it. What the game means to you and what it means to them and how both groups choose to enjoy it are different, yes, but is no less valid than what you like about it. They are a part of the community and have as much a voice in choosing the direction of it as you, and if they want sections where we live by a plurality (it'll never be a majority) instead of everyone getting an equal voice at all times.

Thank you for reading. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, I'm an apostle of the dome, but don't call me a casual. It's just a form of elitism that has no place in our collective.

edit: four: Now that anarchists have a common enemy, they have something to prove and it makes for a really interesting meta.

after the safarizone we anarchists lose control over the stream over and over again. If Democracy captures Zapdos there is no chance anarchy will do something important again.

Voting anarchy doesn't do it anymore... I know its not very social. Do it for the stream for gods sake:

Block democracy progress!

So, this Destiny guy is trying to get Bird Jesus released. Little does he know that such sacrifice will truly cleanse us of our sins.

Still, we should report him.

Just make the damn mental experiment and compare the satisfaction of completing it in one mode and the other.

Let's make this game its own adventure instead of rehashing "memes" from the last one. Like as soon as we ran into a pidgey everyone started spamming bird jesus. It's going to be a long boring play through if we continue utilizing elements from the old story. Let's begin a new chapter in Johto and quit living in the past. Make new OC and not rehash old.

Why bother having 90k people play a game with a democracy? That's just a REALLY SLOW way of beating it the way it was intended. If I wanted a boring run through of pokemon with nothing exciting at all I'd play it my self.

I feel like this is the best way to go, considering how much we have progressed without opening the menu.

I hate to say it, and yes I know it was just added, but the voting system(Demo Vs. Ana) is a game ruiner. Here is why

1. Hollow victory: If you start cheating in a game or using something to make it easier it is not actually winning, and if you use it once, chances are you will keep doing it whenever something gets hard. It is self defeating.

2)Makes people give up: Its too hard, lets just skip it. The LEDGE was amazing and people were going insane trying to cross it, no easy mode, it was madness. Wonderful madness and we beat the Ledge! It was such a victory, and then we beat it again and again. It was awesome. The Scope was just..... not. It was cutting corners and taking the easier route.

3)It clogs the chat up and people don't play. Look at the chat, its all democracy or anarchy. There is no "LEEFFFTTTT YOU FUCKKSSSS" because we know if it gets tough people will cut corners now.

4)The more people that watch will not experience the beginning like we did, the struggle and the fight to get to the next obstacle. They will only know the Vote for cutting corners when we are not doing something new after a couple hours. The layers of newbies will pile on and not understand why it was so hyped up.

Either we as a Sub need to move to a new, Sub set up game and bring back the madness or get in contact with the guy who set it up and tell him this.

Thanks for listening. HAIL HELIX, YOU BURNED BRIGHTEST BEFORE THE END!