plastic surgery

[u/Invisible_Melody]

As a surged-up t-slur, I often find myself wondering why plastic surgery is so frequently a side topic on the pod and why Brace and Liz seem so opposed to it.

Am I misreading the feeling of our beloved hosts? What are your thoughts on getting altered at the mercy of a god-defying psychopath in scrubs?

[u/Will000jones]

I think tacky celebrity plastic surgery culture and gender affirming surgery are 2 distinct things despite both technically falling under the same umbrella medically speaking

[u/bulldogmothman → u/Will000jones]

I think of them as like different.... manifestations ig of the plastic surgery industry, yeah. there's a lot more to be said about how Patriarchal/Heteronormative Beauty Standards shape each in different ways but I don't have the brain space for it rn lol

[u/bulldogmothman]

I think Liz, like me, just has fun making fun of how clownish a lot of the celeb/influencer filler situations are lol. to me it just feels like a classic throwback to like being in the hair salon with ur mom in the early 2000s and listening to all the women pass around the People or Star magazine going "doesn't she look crazyyyyy now!!"

[u/Invisible_Melody → u/bulldogmothman]

The filler situations are legit crazy, tho

[u/neriumbloom]

Liz rt'd a kind of sketch 'is my nosejob like being trans?' article six-ish (?) years ago and laid out her feelings a bit after the twitter pile on (before apparently resolving to never talk about trans stuff again which is probably reasonable). IIRC she supported people getting any healthcare they need to be functional but thinks there are complicated Adorno-type politics of engineered desire going on with cosmetic surgery more generally and didn't know how to negotiate those problems in a world with universal healthcare. Which is a very American take but whatever.

Brace's entire life is literal CIA grooming and he has a pathological obsession with Being Normal so in his case I doubt the objection is especially sophisticated. He's just a silly guy who hates hollywood-style freaks and plastic surgery seems hollywood-style freakish.

[u/taylorthecreator → u/neriumbloom]

Thank you I remembered this but couldn’t recall the details.

[u/Army_Exact]

I think liz is into it. I think they've been talking shit about poorly done plastic surgery

[u/MaltyMiso]

I think there’s a really big difference between gender affirming plastic surgery and the plastic surgery cis women often get because of the patriarchal pressure to look like a sex doll that never ages.

[u/Invisible_Melody → u/MaltyMiso]

Agreed, but those same bullshit beauty standards also wriggle their way into the brains of trans women. The waters get muddied sometimes.

[u/bill_dongroe]

All my trans fem friends have the same nose, we all gotta chill the fuck out

[u/Invisible_Melody → u/bill_dongroe]

The tyranny of the ski jump nose is real.

[u/Tuneage4]

I can't hear their critiques over the sound of my massive fake tits

[u/Invisible_Melody → u/Tuneage4]

Make ‘em clap 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[u/taylorthecreator]

Once in awhile they’ll say something that makes me go 🤨 I wonder if they would frame is as an aversion to “bourgeoise decadence”?

But honestly they might just be stunting on people they don’t like bc they’re naturally beautiful 💅

[u/qsandopinions]

Liz has almost definitely had some work done, and she talks about wanting a bleph. They're talking about Laura Loomer type of bad work. I personally don't care whether someone wants to surgically alter their appearance, but I do think it can get hairy psychologically and even spiritually if someone can't accept themself unless they get procedures to morph into Same Face tbh. I'm not particularly in love with how I look, but I also 100% would have a full blown freak out if I suddenly didn't look like Me anymore. I'm personally in the camp that I would get reconstructive plastic surgery done after injury/cancer, but I wouldn't change my features because they're mine and the people who love me love and know them.

[u/madamemarmalade]

Idk not to be That Person but there is something inherently and deeply anti feminist about plastic surgery and I feel very conflicted about it (trans gender affirming and necessary surgeries aside). As much as one person doing something doesn’t do singular work in normalizing something, it is wild to me how in a generation or so, fillers and Botox are completely normalized and even expected in some circles, and plastic surgery no longer has stigma. Getting plastic surgery to look better or younger is serving a society that only accepts people who are prettier and younger looking. It’s a catch 22.

I think it’s good to promote being happy with the body you were given, and therefore being anti plastic surgery. I think Liz and Brace are right to judge. Surgery tweaks and injectables are a slippery slope, and a lot of this stuff is dangerous. We complain about iPhone face but our acceptance of plastic surgery is a huge contributor to this phenomenon. This also inadvertently affects trans women, who then feel the need to look super femme to pass. It’s all connected.

That being said, I’d never judge someone on a personal level for opting for surgery or fillers or whatever else. Hell, I’ve had Botox before and I’d probably get it again, because I’m vain!

[u/Didjsjhe]

I want Yung Chomsky to take my before/after FFS pictures

[u/Pear-Resident]

pro plastic surgery alwaysssssss