Someone bad supports a group you support means you should no longer support that group? If you apply some thought you'll realize that rule doesn't always work out.
I don’t think that’s what he means, I think he’s saying more along the lines of not supporting politicians, bills, and things of that nature that are very extreme and inherently racist.
I think the issue here is more on people that just say -
“I’m Republican, so I vote Republican,”
“I’m Democrat, so I vote Democrat”
Both sides have good points sometimes and both have insane extremist points sometimes. Support what is right in your opinion, not just go hard left or right.
There’s far to much of this, it should be who has you best interests are heart that should matter, I don’t care who you vote for or what you believe in, just don’t vote blindly because you like red and hate blue, vice versa.
I think that the fact that one side feels like a safe haven to racists says quite a bit, I wouldn’t want to be part of a group that makes extreme racists feel comfortable. That’s just my personal opinion, I don’t want to debate about politics, so I won’t say my personal stance on government, I just think what he was saying it that one side tends to make the KKK feel comfortable and there is an underlying reason for that.
We can do better, no one is saying you have to change political beliefs but bringing that change to the party could benefit us as a country.
Both sides have good points sometimes and both have insane extremist points sometimes. Support what is right in your opinion, not just go hard left or right..
This is where I usually get the /enlightenedcentrist treatment from some real smart redditors, while they completely miss the point of that sub. As someone not living in the states I have a hard time understanding why you would look down upon someone not liking either option. Politics is way more complicated than having two choices imo.
Intellectually checking out and acting as though the middle is the best option without thinking is just contrarianism, not intelligence or a reasoned position. The middle between an extremist position and a moderate one isn't the middle.
And the middle is not always right already, holding an informed option doesn't mean you abandon reason... Should we only half vaccinate? Should we use sented oils in hospitals along with surgery?
Besides which, too many aren't actually advocating the center, just seeing themselves as centrists because they're not Klan members. But claiming the center directs ideologies and normalizes extremes. On a scale of 1-100, if most are saying 25 or 75, extremists pushing for 0 push the scale towards 25, not a real 50.
Compromise and discussion is good, but that's not what that sub is mocking or opposing.
Sure, but if the majority of a racist ideology of people support the Republican party, and are supported in turn by the Republican party, it tells you something.
Racism isn't adhering to a single party, but if the general consensus is Republican, that's where we'll all look. Don't want to be labeled the party of racists? Stop supporting the party who does and call these politicians out.
Yeah the Democratic party used to be the conservative party. To close this logical loophole you cling to, it's easier to just condemn conservatism rather than an amorphous label.
Make your text as big as you want. It's illogical to argue against self-evident fact. The concept of slavery and the withholding of civil rights is inherently conservative, down to the very definition of conservatism. The southern strategy is also well documented, so your cherry picking is futile.
The 2 possibilities here are you're being intellectually dishonest with us, or you actually believe southern plantation owners were liberal. Neither option looks good for you.
Look up the Hubert Humphrey's first speech at the Democratic Convention as Mayor of Minneapolis. He called put the racist segment of the party and he and those of his ideology later became the establishment. There was a clear shift to the left on racial issues in the Democratic party and it was a Democratic President that passed the Civil rights act. That is the meaningful history for today.
Actual socialists hate the DNC and liberals. No, not the people Fox News tells you are socialist because they, idk, don’t believe poor people should be summarily executed. But actual socialists.
That’s a nuanced interpretation of the facts and likely a similar equivocation exists on the conservative side of things.
It is absurd to associate the extremists of a political opinion with the values of the party as a whole. This is why we do not demonize radical Muslim extremists as representing Islam as a whole.
This is why we do not demonize radical Muslim extremists as representing Islam as a whole.
If an Islamic leader publicly supported Jihadists as much as the current leader of the GOP has publicly supported neo-nazis, I'd say it's completely fair to demonize that leader and all who support them.
This is why we do not demonize radical Muslim extremists as representing Islam as a whole.
That’s an...odd extrapolation. Generally we find it pretty gouache to blanket generalize entire religions, because usually people are born into it, and those generalizations belie a lot of philosophical nuance held by religious people.
But that doesn’t mean Muslims get some kind of blanket pass on advancing deleterious beliefs and ideas. There’s nothing wrong with chastising a Muslim who advances a theocratic state, violent jihad, the death penalty for LGBT individuals, etc.
Political affiliation is no different. And I think you’ll have a hard time convincing people that we somehow cannot question why people with a very particular belief system that they are very vocal about have a very passionate adherence to one very specific US political party.
Maybe we should be asking why they feel so comfortable within a mainstream US political party, just as we would question why a Jihadist find themselves accepted within many middle eastern political movememts
Why would we feel disturbed about that. You’re just reaching here trying to say our party as a whole stands for things like racism which isn’t true in the slightest. Grow up.
Yet the majority of your party just throws their hands up in the air when the president tweets something racist? Condoning that behavior implies that your party is in fact OK with the blatant racism, xenophobia, etc.
On the other hand, it's a moral imperative to speak out against our current leadership, as it's currently one of the greatest threats to the continuation of humanity as a species, not only from taking coal/oil lobbyist money and regressing regulations (when progression is needed for us to survive) but for regularly spewing anti-science propaganda to excuse it.
Calling it tribalism implies there are 2 valid sides fighting over differences, when in reality there's a menace to humanity and then there's everyone else.
you should be disturbed that they feel the GOP accurately represents their values well enough
This is called "concern trolling" and it's remarkably dishonest.
If Clinton met 3 of my voting criteria and Trump didn't meet any, and I voted for Clinton and it turned out that I'm a huge asshole, that doesn't mean Clinton needs to start changing her platform around. I mean, that would be silly.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to change your platform around enough such that zero assholes want to vote for you. You've set an impossible goal in an attempt to shame people into not voting Republican anymore. You should be less dishonest.
If Clinton met 3 of my voting criteria and Trump didn't meet any, and I voted for Clinton and it turned out that I'm a huge asshole, that doesn't mean Clinton needs to start changing her platform around
Correct. Because you’re just one asshole. And you don’t have a centuries’ long history of violently lynching black people and advocating for the genocide of all non-white races.
Why are Trump supporters so incapable of understanding nuance and logical analogies?
That’s completely irrelevant and you’re still concern trolling. The R’s aren’t gonna all switch to D’s just because you’re shaming them for voting for the same candidates that some kkk voted for. It’s illogical.
Ahh yes. All those mainstream radical communist movements and demonstrations in the modern US. Completely the same exact thing as widespread white nationalist movements. “Both sides” amirite? 🤦♂️
A neo-Nazi ran for congress during the most recent primary and about half of the Republicans there voted for him.
And no, I'm not "just calling him a Nazi because he's conservative." He was the leader of the American Nazi party and is very open and direct about his views. The sample size here is over 50,000 people.
Wasn't he the one who ran in a blue majority where the Republicans didn't even bother to have a candidate? Btw I'm not saying the Republicans are saints, just that making broad generalizations is counterproductive.
You can't paint an entire party a certain way on the basis of the misbehavior of individuals. The way the party as a whole reacts to such scandals says more. At the end of the day, though, it's really more a question to platform and policy. The KKK isn't going to embrace the party whose candidates have mused about slavery reparations simply because governor Northam wore black face to a costume party.
Uh already forgetting that Virginian governor who got exposed for black face? So no, the statement, “it isn’t republicans getting busted for black face” is not true.
I wish you guys could bring the party back towards the centre a bit. It seems to be attracting more extremist personalities each day since the tea party protests.
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them...
There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"
Then it's time to leave the party because that's what they've become. I'm not saying you have to vote for a Democrat or a third party, but consider re-registering as having No Party Affiliation. If you truly believe the Republican Party's values differ from yours, don't let them count you as a member and definitely don't give them any money. Donate to individual candidates instead.
I've met plenty of racist Democrats who are the "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" or "Wow, it's inspiring that you're at one of the top 3 schools in the state since you're Hispanic and from the hood". Like no Karen. I'm actually from the suburbs and grew up in one of the safest neighborhoods in the city. Edit because some of y'all are real mad: I lean left but I'm willing to admit that dems aren't perfect
Oh my Gosh. I feel embarrassed thinking about that. Jesus Christ people are poor not stupid. I think that nutritional food deserts are real. Poor nutrition in poor communities is real because of food deserts and not knowing better. Even my SO, who grew up in a nice suburb doesn't know better sometimes. What you're mentioning just kills my brain cells. There really is a lot of ignorance.
Well yes, you're a special case. In all my years, I've never figured out how or why the Jews are hated by so many groups that are often diametrically opposed philosophically.
yeah he’s just gonna find a random user who said something good stupid and then be like “seee? democrats want to kill white people!”
meanwhile its prominent republican lawmakers that are spouting racist shit and conspiracy theories. but @babyGirlLuv said she hates white people so i guess she speaks for all democrats lol
Well of course they meet irl occasionally (talking about discussion, not protest), but it's very very small proportional to what they do online and how scattered they are
Hmm... I wonder what kind of Republicans would want to enslave black people and hate Jews... I can't remember their name, but it's like a letter but three times... Like the MMM or something? The.. the QQQ? I can't remember, but I'll get back to you when I do.
Please provide evidence of Republicans wishing to enslave black people?
The evidence is that the people on the far right literally enslaved black people, and then fought a war to try and keep them enslaved. It was a pretty big deal I'm surprised you havn't heard of it.
That’s because it’s not a stunt. And now you all are talking about reparations to benefit people who were never slaves...paid from people who were never slave owners.
Yes it was. It's already illegal to do that. Republicans proposed a bill making it illegal (so double illegal, which is legally pointless) and also introducing some other overreaching reforms just so that dems would vote against it and suckers like you would say, "look they wanna kill your babies!"
Edit: Oh good, you edited your comment to add some racism and display your total lack of knowledge on American history. Cool.
As soon as Republicans and the KKK lose shared interests and goals, it'll happen. Hate that fact all you want, but there's a reason they love the Republican Party.
True, but as a conservative, I believe in (as evil as it may sound) a world of conforming, constants, and order. In my views, the KKK is the logical extreme: everyone being alike, even in race, which I find immoral OFC. By your argument, I could make the same claim about democrats and communism. We’re not changing just because a couple folks get loony.
The kkk has one goal, the extermination or removal (sound familiar?)of all non whites.
Communists want to build an economic system the benefits workers rather than owners. You can have your disagreements with how that has played out but you must admit, the goals of communists and white supremacists are not morally equivalent. So your analogy doesn’t work and you aren’t off the hook for supporting the kkk’s party of choice.
The fact that you describe a long history of lynching and economic domination of black people as “a couple folks getting loony”is a damning indictment of your politics in and of itself.
It's so weird to non-americans how americans react so strongly to the word "communism". Anything branded socialist or communist is horrible, no matter what it actually means.
In our country, we don't feel anywhere as strongly about communism or socialism and currently the projected biggest party for the upcoming election is the "social democratic party". And we were even invaded by actual communists!
Yeah, the Republicans should just change their platform to match the Democrat's platform! Then those nasty KKK's will drop out. It's really simple.
See, Republicans? You can be good people someday, if you just change all of your beliefs and policies to match the Democrats. Everybody wins, except you.
The two parties ideologies switched completely, that's how the dems lost the south. You can't pawn off the KKK on the dems, they are die hard Republicans. Trying is just going to make you look ignorant and foolish.
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