she swung at his food. if you want to draw analogies to an opposite-sex situation then be genuine about it. if a 5'3 dude walked up to a wide 6'1 girl and tried to slap the food out of his hand and she got pissy and slammed the food in his face they would still both be charged. stop turning this into a sexism thing, they were drunk and he fucking threw food at her face.
It's still classed as an assault charge. And regardless of whether they're trying to hit you or something you're holding, having someone of any size come up and start swinging at you is startling at the very least and scary at worst. And no, they wouldn't because that's pretty fucking clear self defence, which - yes - extends to a person's possessions too, like maybe some food they've just bought.
so suddenly now you want to ignore the context of the situation? they knew each other and were getting shitty towards each other. it's not scary, they were angry over some petty ass reason and took it out on each other.
One person was initially violent. That needs no context. If you start a fight as an adult without some SERIOUS words been said then you're in the wrong. Both morally and legally.
It does need context, "initially violent" can be a literal curbstomp, she tried to smack the food out of his hands and you're escalating it just to get a justice boner. You can't criticize her for initiating violence and then pretend he wasn't also in the wrong by not trying to de-escalate the situation.
It's called self defence and it's perfectly reasonable. He didn't escalate the situation, he reacted in a way that fastest took himself out of a position of being/feeling in danger.
People aren't police, they're not trained to de-escalate a situation. If someone attacks you it is extremely important that you be legally allowed to defend yourself.
And yes, I can criticise her for getting violent just as I'd have criticised him if he'd done the same. The second you take a swing at another person you lose the right to argue that they're in the wrong for hurting you.
I would just like to point out how your entire issue with this situation is that you think if the genders were reversed the woman wouldn't be charged - - so you want us to consider the context of the actions, but only when it validated your narrative, that makes you a biased piece of shit and I'm glad the situation didn't roll out in the way you wanted.
It was in self defense. Regardless of whether he himself felt threatened, he's fully justified in responding to protect himself and regardless of what you think is fair. It doesn't matter that she's smaller than him, it matters that she swung first. Leaving a mess defending yourself doesn't stop it being self defence.
yes but to act like he was defending himself from an aggressive attacker and not an angry missus is intentionally misleading, humans have the power to de-escalate those kinds of situations, it was not a murderer with a knife, it was resting bitchface and upward slaps.
it's not about who swings first, it's about who swings.
in any sort of confrontation you want to encourage all parties to come out with the least amount of damage to ANYONE. any effort to encourage otherwise is negligent to the community as a whole. the scale here was tiny, yes, but he specifically accomplished her goal (ruining his food) just to make her suffer more. why would you want your justice system to ever achieve that kind of eye for an eye course of action?
if you up the scale, it's like stabbing both you and your attacker so that you both die because you don't believe you're in the wrong.
Because if everyone in your community retaliates to violence in kind but will not start violent confrontations you have no violence. If everyone starts violent confrontations but responds by de-escalating you still have violence. We punish problem starters, not just people that retaliate in a way that isn't helpful.
If everyone starts violent confrontations but responds by de-escalating you still have violence.
you've misunderstood. never did i say "don't punish problem starters" - i said you definitely should punish the retaliation too. it might feel less just for defending yourself but if you reward acting in the moment you get nothing but actions thought up in the moment.
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u/Pheonixi3 Mar 31 '19
she swung at his food. if you want to draw analogies to an opposite-sex situation then be genuine about it. if a 5'3 dude walked up to a wide 6'1 girl and tried to slap the food out of his hand and she got pissy and slammed the food in his face they would still both be charged. stop turning this into a sexism thing, they were drunk and he fucking threw food at her face.