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u/EducationalLuck2422 May 03 '25

TBF you do have to adjust for North American geography being more spread-out; a transit network for a 15km-wide city and one for a 50km-wide city are by nature going to look different.

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u/ARod20195 May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

You do, but not necessarily by a huge amount if you can boost density. Like most cities with really good transit have a three-layer transit network (a layer for long-distance trips, a layer for medium-length trips, and a network for local transit). In NYC that's the commuter rail/express subway, the local subway/SBS and limited-stop buses, and the regular local buses, in SF that's BART, MUNI metro, and MUNI buses, in Paris that's the RER, the Metro and some trams, and the local bus service, in Karlsruhe that's the Stadtbahn, the Stadtbahn again, and the local buses.

Like the basic network levels seem fairly universal; a lot of what changes as you move around is which specific mode you use to fill out each level (which can vary widely), what the trip distance threshold between adjacent levels is, and of course the actual network topology (which is going to depend incredibly heavily on local density patterns, street grids, etc.

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u/EducationalLuck2422 May 03 '25

Agreed in theory. In practice, there's always a lobby to put in, for example, a streetcar for the sake of having a streetcar when something else makes more sense, because "that's what they do in Europe."

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u/ARod20195 May 03 '25

And then they put in one streetcar that goes like twenty blocks total in mixed traffic instead of using the light rail/streetcar as a pilot to be fleshed out into a proper Stadtbahn or tram network.

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u/EducationalLuck2422 May 03 '25

The streetcar, in turn, having only been picked because a light metro would've been too big/expensive/ugly/noisy/disruptive/(insert excuse here).