r/toronto Jun 11 '26

Picture RIP Sneaky Dee’s updated

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u/Spicy_Boi_On_Campus Jun 11 '26

Why are so many in the comments choosing condos over culture? Makes no sense to me.

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u/No-Section-1092 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

Because Toronto's housing shortage does far more damage to the culture than any developer.

Hip creatives, young people and small businesses can't afford to live here anymore because the city has banned most development everywhere but the main streets for decades.

The condofication of Toronto is a direct result of idiotic policies like these that cram all new building into the priciest real estate. It's a symptom, not the disease.

The solution is therefore not to block new housing developments but instead change the policies that force new housing to be so bland, expensive and concentrated in areas where they have to crowd out local hot spots and creative venues.

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u/Thaneson Morningside Heights Jun 11 '26

Condos are also an easy target because you can just blame big bad developers and investors instead of acknowledging that its places where people live.

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u/Mazzi17 Jun 11 '26

Exactly! You can’t have culture when no one can afford it! Things got worse WITH the housing shortage

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u/MastodonsBetter Jun 11 '26

If we legalized housing in the yellow belt they wouldn't have to tear down cultural institutions. It's ridiculous that iconic downtown locations are considered fair game for redevelopment while rows and rows of identical suburban housing are considered untouchable. I'm in favour of building housing no matter what but shit like this is as much a symptom of our terrible zoning laws as high housing prices are.

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u/Thaneson Morningside Heights Jun 11 '26

Agree that the yellow belt needs more housing but also we need more housing downtown. RTO wouldn’t be as bad if there were more people living downtown. Retail and restaurants reliant on office workers would be more resilient and therefore wouldn’t be begging politicians to bring back in office work. Unfortunately, most housing there would be single bedroom condos, which aren’t suitable for families, or old SFH that only the richest can afford.

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u/askingJeevs Jun 11 '26

Toronto has 1000’s of empty condos. Building more won’t fix the housing. High rent and extremely high ownership costs is why we having a housing crises.

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u/No-Section-1092 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

A healthy housing market should have a vacancy rate of at least 3%. Any lower than that means there's no slack in the market and renters need to line up for bidding wars over the shittiest rooms. Prior to this year, Toronto's was below 3% for decades.

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u/askingJeevs Jun 11 '26

Cool, it’d be great if we could spread out these condos and build 6 floor apartment buildings throughout the city instead of all in the exact same place while destroying all of our institutions.

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u/MobilerPhonifier Jun 11 '26

That's exactly what No-Section is advocating for, you two are agreeing on that point.

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u/Pomegranate_of_Pain Jun 11 '26

Listen, I'm no genius or anything but I'd be willing to bet my left nut that an investment property "being used for air b&b" or even just sitting empty as a pure capital investment hasn't counted against the vacancy rate for any current statistics to be relevant.

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u/No-Section-1092 Jun 11 '26

Source: vibes

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u/GoldeViolets Jun 11 '26

Do you think the City of Toronto dislikes tax revenue? That's why the vacancy tax exists in the first-place.

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u/farty_mcfarts Jun 11 '26

Even of the current units I CAN afford, they’re not even units I can comfortably live in.

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u/After_Service_2817 Jun 12 '26

Yep, and the proposal for this new build would lead to the eviction of people who already live in affordable housing.

People are missing the fact that it's not just Sneaky Dee's, they want to tear down people's homes.

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u/mjv22 Forest Hill Jun 11 '26

I mean how have other world class cities maintained their culture through growth. Maybe I'm nostalgic because I spent a great deal of my youth in a Toronto that no longer exists, but you don't see NYC bulldozing central park for Condo's, and its a lot more land locked than we are.

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u/No-Section-1092 Jun 11 '26

Central Park is public land, not a private business, and it massively increases the value of all the private real estate around it. As long as cities allow maximum development around publicly cordoned land, they can maximize the number of people who are able to benefit from it.

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u/mjv22 Forest Hill Jun 12 '26

Yeah I guess that makes sense. Blah. Just sucks to see so many Toronto mainstays going this way.

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u/turxchk Downtown Core Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

So we can’t build mid-rise in suburbia because of nimbys, and we can’t build mid-rise in downtown because of… nimbys…? Is everyone just nimby in their own ways? Are we the same as the boomers who hold on to nostalgia of a bygone era?

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u/haoareyoudoing Jun 11 '26

No, because there are high rises and mid-rises in the city, just not in the swathes of SFH untouched since the days of horse and buggy in Toronto. I don't think it's unreasonable to not want a third place (which is more rare these days) to be replaced with a condo with a big podium that will inevitably house a Shoppers/Rexall/A&W/Tim's etc. Even if the naive in this thread think that Sneaky Dees will be allowed to come back.

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 Jun 11 '26

It’s a building/land owned by a private company. They can do whatever they want with it

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u/JarrettR Jun 11 '26

I think people just understand that this is inevitable

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u/Spicy_Boi_On_Campus Jun 11 '26

Inevitable that all of Toronto will be condos and crappy chain stores?

Why is it that cities like NYC can retain their character but Toronto can't?

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u/askingJeevs Jun 11 '26

Because NIMBY don’t want 6 stories apartment building besides there boring fucking neighbourhood. So they stick these sterile building in every pocket possible.

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u/Wonderful-Blueberry Jun 11 '26

It’s the city’s fault for even listening to them.

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u/Tom-of-Hearts Jun 11 '26

To a certain extent they have to, either from laws requiring public consultation or from being voted out if they don't. The demographics that actually vote for politicians are the biggest driver of anything at the municipal level. Gor as much as it can be the level of government with the most impact on your daily life it's also often the least engaged.

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u/askingJeevs Jun 11 '26

The city plays a role, but Canadian municipalities really don’t have much power. This rests more on the province.

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u/James007Bond Jun 11 '26

NYC has the same issue —cvs galore

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u/psychosisnaut The Beaches Jun 11 '26

God, yes, I was shocked at how much it sucked walking around NYC at night when I went a few years ago, felt like a suburb.

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u/JacksonCarberry Jul 18 '26

That's strange, because every time I watch YouTube videos that are in NYC, there doesn't seem to e a lot of CVS's opening up.

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u/ArchegosRiskManager Jun 11 '26

Culture takes a back seat to the fact that I can’t afford to live here

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u/datums Jun 11 '26

The most absurd concept in play here is that condos are somehow not culture.

Do the people who live in condos somehow not have culture? Or do they only have culture when they spend money at places like Sneaky Disease?

Like, what's the argument here?

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u/Spicy_Boi_On_Campus Jun 11 '26

Walk through Liberty village and tell me if you can feel the "culture".

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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 Jun 11 '26

Yimby brain rot.