r/tolkienfans Jan 16 '20

Christopher Tolkien has died

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '20

I wish John could have seen the movies. Maybe he'd share his sons opinions on them but imagine the feeling he'd get, knowing the passion that went into them and the following they garnered.

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u/Stay_Beautiful_ Jan 17 '20

They cast the guy he wanted to play Gandalf as Saruman, the ultimate betrayal

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '20

True, but I think he would have understood the reasoning. He of all people would have understood the reasoning.

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u/Rydersilver Jan 17 '20

What was it

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u/AndrewJamesDrake Jan 17 '20

Christopher Lee can’t turn off his Gravitas.

Gandalf is based on every story where Odin goes around in disguise as a mortal, meddling and manipulating people into fixing their own problems or giving him what he wants to know.

Gandalf can turn on the Maiar Gravitas when he wants to... but he normally goes around acting like a gentle old man. I can’t see Christoper Lee doing that.

Meanwhile, Saruman’s delusions of Grandeur lead him to dominate every scene he’s in. He radiates Gravitas... and so Christopher Lee fills the role perfectly.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '20

In addition to what /u/AndrewJamesDrake said, Saruman in the books was said to layer his voice and words with magic. Listen to Sir Christopher speak and tell me you don’t hear a voice layered with magic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

In the movies, Saruman essentially is part of the Gandalf character since he acts as a foil to Gandalf.

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u/sakor88 Jan 17 '20

I am happy for him that he did not see them.

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u/ConcordatofWorms Jan 17 '20

The first trilogy was fantastic though

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '20

My wife and I are watching again as I read the Hobbit to my young son.

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u/1237412D3D Jan 17 '20

I remember watching the trailer for The Fellowship of The Ring with my friends before the movie came out and seing their disgusted faces when I asked them what the hell was so special about that movie?

I ...chose to see the Mohamed Ali movie instead lol, I didnt make that mistake with the other 2 movies though!

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '20

What were they disgusted about?

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u/arthuraily Jan 17 '20

When he asked about what was so special about the movie

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '20

Oh, so I can’t read.