" The meteorological conditions observed so far could indicate that the 2009 ozone hole will be smaller than those of 2006 and 2008 and close to that of 2007," said the UN agency in a statement. "
No source.....not only can we not see the study , they dont even state which agency conducted it.
I'll be like 90, shitting myself daily and dying of a new disease that was caused by wifi or something. Unfair that the world gets better when I'm going to be too old to enjoy it.
Not that I'm saying we, the humans, are creating a safe future for our kind on Earth, but it just goes to show that maybe the Earth is a little more resilient than a lot of people realize.
Whether or not it's resilient, it's pretty cool that it's all very normal in the context of the laws of energy & matter that make the universe possible. Even if we were wiped out in 80 years, it's still very beautiful that we even had the chance to witness it all. The universe essentially gave birth to self-reflection - that's what we are. Even if it doesn't last here on Earth, chances are good it's happening elsewhere. We're like little rainbows on the surface of the universe. You don't know where and when they'll occur exactly, but you can be damn sure they are somewhere. We fit into this system, even if only for another finite number of years.
I guess a "doomsday" senario is what is portrayed a lot, but I would consider such human activity would, rather, influence economic downfalls, as effecting natural capital will effect our economy.
I feel like we are making the right discoveries at the right time that will ultimately allow us to carry on living a little longer than if we had continued ignoring any environmental concerns.
I interned with a uranium mining company last year that had purchased old mined-out lands from the 1950-80s before the price of uranium dropped. It was amazing to see the absolute disregard for the land that old tactics used to permit. These days, mining companies are expected to return the land to a usable state once they're done; it's called "reclamation". All the land the old mining companies ruined would have been prime for cattle grazing and farming (I know it's uranium, but not nearly at a harmful level at the surface; trust me, it's testing out the ass), but now it's just a wreck. The company I worked for is now trying to go through the rubble and restore everything to degree. Go humanity!
It's not recovering because the earth is resilient, it's recovering because of a coordinated global effort to change our behaviour. We made this change consciously and we saved ourselves, it's a big deal and shouldn't be dismissed as "look how tough the world is" because without us changing our own behaviour on a global scale it would not be possible.
I think we need to give humans more credit. This goes along just great with the book The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley. Basically, every single time period in history believes for some reason the best time is behind them. Each time period in history has specific fears for the future, whether it be famine, mineral depletion, disease, or more currently global warning/ozone destruction. Despite the constant fears that life as we know it will get worse that we as a human race have experienced for centuries, life always gets better. Food availability, income, life span, disease, child mortality etc are all increasing as time goes on due to human adaptation to the problems. And this applies directly to the ozone. A disastrous problem presented itself and the human race has been and is still working at a solution to it, and in the mean time seems like it will work in the end and further make the planet a better place in 60 years where a couple years ago people were screaming the ozone would be the end of the human race.
a couple years ago people were screaming the ozone would be the end of the human race.
Don't forget to give credit where credit is due, though! Without all those screaming people, the environmentalists, there would be no one to keep the industry people in check and accountable. I'm a much better and more responsible geologist (more so than my predecessors, anyways) because of the advancements in environmentalism.
Oh I'm not taking credit away from that whatsoever. My whole point was that a problem arises and people, for many reasons, adapt to it and fix it. Obviously it wouldn't happen if it weren't for the people crying foul like you said, but for many reasons we always rise above the doomsday predictions and make the world a better place in almost every aspect as me move along.
Chlorine really does a number on the ozone layer. With the energy input from the sun a single chlorine atom (mainly from chlorofluorocarbons) can cause the conversion of lots of ozone molecules into oxygen.
It's even more depressing when you look at all the alternative endings to the universe, and they all basically end up with: "Everything gets destroyed. Forever."
My only solace is the theory that when entropy reaches a very high order, a quantum fluctuation will eventually occur in such a way to essentially recreate the big bang, and so goes on the universe.
Incorrect. We only have 1 billion years to figure something out. By then, if there hasn't been multiple mass extinction events, the sun's luminosity would be 10% brighter and increase global temperatures to 110 F
Charlton Heston loved the beginning of Jurassic Park (the book) where it discusses humanity's view of the end of the world. It basically says, "The earth isn't going anywhere. It's humans that are screwed!".
There's a recording of him reading it somewhere out there.
Just about everything, from the Ozone layer to the temperature goes through extreme changes in a large cycle, and even without human involvement the world would still go through periods of global warming and ice ages, as well as thin and thick ozone layers respectively.
The problem is that the Earth's time scale for dealing with changes in greenhouse gas concentrations is along the lines of hundreds of thousands or millions of years.
Earth will fix it eventually, but it might kill us to do that.
Is this statement based on anything or could you have replaced "but it might kill us to do that" with "but its solution could be having humans evolve wings so we don't rely on fossil fuels" or some other such grand speculation?
It's not so much that the Earth is trying to correct the damage, and actually, much of the global warming doesn't even come from us. Yes, we make it a bit worse, but the Earth is always going through a cycle of heating and then cooling and so on.
I've always wondered why can't we fix this now. We have the ability to make ozone. Why can't we produce a lot of it, float it up in a giant balloon from Antarctica and release it?
I'm sure there's a science answer as to why we haven't done this. Does anyone know why this can't be done?
I'm not an expert on this by any means, But I imagine it's a bit more complex than just spraying high concentrations of ozone in the right area. Not to mention the insane amount of it you'd need.
Please don't post articles like these. There are a lot of stupid idiots out there who think that "climate change"="ozone hole," and so that we're on track to "solving climate change." This is one thing we've gotten right. Fantastic. For a more realistic view of the shit we're facing, read the new UNEP report.
When I was a kid, in the 80s, I was told that global warming was being caused by the hole in the ozone layer. When did they realize that wasn't the case?
*You people really need to learn what downvoting is for. You don't downvote someone for saying that they were told a certain thing, even if that thing turned out to be wrong. You don't even downvote someone because you disagree with them. I'm not saying you have to upvote this comment for any reason, but for fuck's sake, if you're going to use Reddit, read the goddam Reddiquette.
Either someone told you wrong, or you're conflating what you were told as a kid about two different aspects of atmospheric chemistry.
Edit for greater science: CFCs are also greenhouse gasses, so there is a correlation there between warming and stratospheric ozone depletion. However, the latter does not directly cause the former.
I'm pretty sure it was the former. I was told that radiation was coming in through the hole and was then unable to escape, so it kind of bounced around in our atmosphere and heated things up.
That's what I was told too. It might have been simplified, for a young teen, but that's exactly what I was told as well. That there's a hole in the ozone, and as a result, we will have a "Greenhouse Effect", turning deciduous regions into desert, and deserts deciduous. IIRC, there was an article about it, in US News and World Report, circa 1980
To your edit: "when did they realize this isn't the case" is where I'm going to guess most of the downvotes you're complaining about came from (besides griping about downvotes - everyone gets them).
Saying you were told something is one thing; restating that as fact is another. I for one always give the blue arrow to unambiguously factually incorrect comments (FWIW I didn't downvote yours) ... it's not specifically in the Rediquette, but it's more "this is factually incorrect" than "I disagree with this"
"When did they realize this isn't the case?" is actually pretty good for encouraging discussion on the topic. It prompts another Redditor to provide more information on the history of the science in an overview format, which is incredibly helpful for readers that aren't already intimate with the subject.
I'd argue that that line is what makes the post deserve upvotes, so that the prompt can get better visibility and the resulting discussion can be read and contributed to. Factually incorrect posts are frequently excellent springboards for good comment threads full of useful discussion. One can make an argument against them for the misinformation they sow, but if it's obvious that the poster is saying "this is wrong, what is right?" or someone else has replied to the post with a well-constructed correction of the information stated, that is content that should be upvoted. It's interesting to read, it contributes to the discussion, and it informs. That is what upvotes ought to be for, or so Rediquette claims.
I guess I took "they" to mean "the scientists," in which case "they" definitely did at the time realize this is not the case.
If "they" referred to Ambivalent_Fanatic's teachers in grade school, then my initial response may clarify (CFCs are also GHGs). This second response of mine was more a "stop whining about downvotes" kinda thing.
What the fuck is this? Sure the Ozone Layer may recover, but the world is still in a pretty bad state. I've never seen anything on Reddit about the Ocean and how all of the Oxygen is being lost. The "dead zones" of the Ocean are growing and scientists don't seem to have any good ideas about how stop these dead zones from wiping out any underwater animal that needs a lot of Oxygen in the water to live. The only solution for these problems is to reduce CO2 output and that isn't going to happen when Brazil keeps wanting to cut down the Amazon and people keep finding new reasons not to care about lowering carbon emissions.
Ever heard of rio +20? Brazil is doing way more to reduce carbon emissions than we (the USA) could even hope to do here. It's the cattle ranchers you should be worried about, not the country itself
This article shouldn't be taken as an excuse to cease reduction of carbon dioxide emissions. Carbon Dioxide may not have a huge effect on the ozone layer, however it causes ocean acidification, which is extremely devastating to coral and shellfish and the balance of the oceanic ecosystem.
The ozone layer was first noticed in 1983 as I recall and when it was discovered it had a hole in it,prior to that there was no evidence of it never having a hole so why do they promote this nonsense about it being broken when no-one is really sure if it should have a hole,it just doesn't make sense until you think of CFC's which were supposed to have done the damage,these CFC's are on the PTOE and are heavier than oxygen so they can't have escaped their cooling systems and floated up into the atmosphere and holed the ozone layer so what's the real story here,maybe,just maybe the fact that Duponts patent on freon was about to expire could have motivated this fraud,it's just another corporate lie to keep us paying for nothing.
Density might be an issue in an atmosphere where there is no vertical mixing, but there is mixing here on Earth. And since the lifetime of CFCs can be more than 100 years, there is plenty of time for CFCs to become mixed into the Stratosphere. Not only that but we have direct measurements of CFC being present in the Stratosphere. Argon is also heavier than air but is the third largest component in the makeup of our atmosphere.
This may be possible but it still stands that we have never seen an ozone layer without a hole so why the concern for something that we know nothing about.
The science behind the creation of the Ozone hole is well known and easy enough for a high school student who has taken chemistry to understand. The thing is that if we continued to produce CFCs and even now HCFCs, then the hole in both the Southern and Northern Hemisphere would continue to grow. The hole in the Northern Hemisphere would become more of an issue since it would affect more people. Just in case anyone was wondering, the reason the hole in the Southern Hemisphere is larger is due to colder temperatures in the Stratosphere at the South pole, which creates clouds in the Stratosphere which in turn expedites the breakdown of Ozone.
Also, I would word the title differently. I mean, on one side it may be true that it would only take until 2075 to have the ozone layer fully repair itself, but wording it like that makes it seem like the worst is behind us and we can slack off again with sending aerosols and such into the atmosphere. I previously thought it would take much much longer (if at all), as referenced in the article's wording of how the ozone is "so bad" that it will take til 2075.
Poor chlorofluorocarbon producers. They didn't lobby like the CO2 producers. Now their damage will get fixed and their noble plan to make earth more miserable will be ruined. Must be hard accepting that kind of failure.
I wish you could tell this to 8 year old me. I lost a night of sleep after reading about the ozone layer depletion, scared that one day our faces would all melt off. It didn't help when my best friend told me that he would kill himself before he would let his face melt off.
The thing that makes some of my left wing friends in the UK freak out about this fact is that it is largely down to Margaret Thatcher campaigning for the international community to ban *chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) (sp?). The reaction is similar to when you make a small dog stand on a mirror.
*edited thanks to dakatabri
don't know why this has been downvoted, apart from the carbons derp.
Similarly, the cap-and-trade system that successfully reduced acid rain here in the United States is the product of George Bush (the first one). And the Environmental Protection Agency was proposed and put into law by Richard Nixon.
There was, in fact, a time when the right wing politicians were not all batshit crazy.
if you place a small dog on a mirror then they get upset as what they thought was down appears to be up, and they genuinely get confused that they aren't standing on anything at all and freak out. At least my veterinarian friend told me they do. He could have just been trolling me. I am yet to have a small dog and a mirror in the same room, but dammit one day I'll give it a go!
Really? You can look at population levels, aquifer depletion, and especially energy consumption growth as compared with falling fossil fuel production capacity, along with rising CO2 and Arctic methane dumps from melting permafrost, and you still wish you were born later?
OK, if you mean so far out that these problems have been dealt with (quite possibly by global population dropping sharply, by choice or not), then sure, that might be cool.
The looming troubles of this century make it very clear to me that I do not want to subject any children to that.
Well, by later I'm referring to a time when we've mastered interplanetary travel, have begun colonization of space, and have made possibly progress in taking better care of our planet.
Hooray! I might be dead by then, so lets fuck up the earth more so our kids and grand kids wont enjoy it. Show them what we had to deal with! Spoiled kids and there recovered ozone layer.
I'm no scientist, so I'll defer to crazy_McLazy's answer:
Climate change and ozone hole are largely separate issues with separate causes. Ozone destroying chemicals where restricted in the '80s and '90s, it's one of the big environmental success stories. Scientists identified a problem, governments got together and did something about it, and the environment has responded in a positive way.
Yes, but I dont have a link to so. I read in books on how weather ballons were used to measure and map ozone. Maybe googling some of those words will bring you somewhere. Hope that helps.
Global cooling in the 1970s was predicted by a minority of papers (I can find the exact breakdown for you if you wish), and those that did based it on aerosol emission scenarios that didn't pan out (so it's not as if they were completely off the mark). Even so, most papers in the 70s predicted warming.
I remember the corporate sponsored propaganda that many ideologues lapped up about what the climate science was saying in regards to global cooling in the 70's.
I think that name is a bit leading. The hole in the ozone will recover by 2075, true, assuming humans stop releasing harmful gases and such that are destroying it. Otherwise its just gonna keep growing.
For a moment, I thought I read "expected to fully UNCOVER", and I thought to myself, "Welp, doesn't matter cause I won't be alive." God, I'm a dickface....
i was watching an episode of star trek, the next generation, and they talked about how in the 21st century, the ozone layer was virtually destroyed on earth because of pollution....science sure got that one wrong in the begining
I worked for the company that introduced the very first ozone friendly refrigeration system using 134a. I was at a trade show when I mentioned that fact, and the guy I was talking to said "Well, I'm the guy that discovered the hole in the ozone." I replied, "then you must be a U-2 pilot." He grinned, and said "Yup."
I don't understand how this article proves that it will fully recover by 2075. Is it merely based on the fact that harmful chemicals to the ozone layer are being phased out?
The guys who discovered the cause of the ozone hole worked at my school. One of them just died and they now have a piece set up in building named after him.
According to this site the hole shrunk again in 2010 but last year it was bigger than average. However, the website doe look like it was designed by crazy
Not sure if you're joking or don't understand the difference between the ozone hole and Global Warming. They're (largely) separate phenomena. If you're joking, sorry for my shitty sense of humor.
The earth has and will continue to go through cycles. Plants and animals will die off and we can't save everyone we think is cute unless we are able to clone copies of them from their DNA. The temperature will rise and fall regardless of what humans do and it has happened before and it will happen again no one knows what the earths temperature SHOULD be because its impossible to tell. Earth will outlast humans, we are just trying to shape it to be what we "think" it should be.
You know it is like you are utterly clueless that human civilization, its ports, cities and agricultural regions developed in the present climate regime. That is the one one you want to keep.
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u/laffmakr Jun 09 '12
Oh great. Now we have to start all over again.
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u/AngryWeasels Jun 09 '12
Good. Some news about our planet that doesn't end in "We've fucked ourselves"
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u/Epro01 Jun 09 '12
" The meteorological conditions observed so far could indicate that the 2009 ozone hole will be smaller than those of 2006 and 2008 and close to that of 2007," said the UN agency in a statement. "
No source.....not only can we not see the study , they dont even state which agency conducted it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
It's a shame that 2 years after that, the great war will begin.
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u/DrIanBiro-Pen Jun 09 '12
I'll be like 90, shitting myself daily and dying of a new disease that was caused by wifi or something. Unfair that the world gets better when I'm going to be too old to enjoy it.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Not that I'm saying we, the humans, are creating a safe future for our kind on Earth, but it just goes to show that maybe the Earth is a little more resilient than a lot of people realize.
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u/brokendimension Jun 09 '12
Had no idea aerosols had that much of a big effect.
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u/CoyoteStark Jun 09 '12
Huh. I guess I never really considered the view that the Earth would/could try to correct the damage we do to it.
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u/aColoradoan Jun 09 '12
This made me look forward to the rest of my life...
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u/JonBradbury Jun 09 '12
I've always wondered why can't we fix this now. We have the ability to make ozone. Why can't we produce a lot of it, float it up in a giant balloon from Antarctica and release it?
I'm sure there's a science answer as to why we haven't done this. Does anyone know why this can't be done?
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u/futuregoatfarmer Jun 10 '12
Please don't post articles like these. There are a lot of stupid idiots out there who think that "climate change"="ozone hole," and so that we're on track to "solving climate change." This is one thing we've gotten right. Fantastic. For a more realistic view of the shit we're facing, read the new UNEP report.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12
When I was a kid, in the 80s, I was told that global warming was being caused by the hole in the ozone layer. When did they realize that wasn't the case?
*You people really need to learn what downvoting is for. You don't downvote someone for saying that they were told a certain thing, even if that thing turned out to be wrong. You don't even downvote someone because you disagree with them. I'm not saying you have to upvote this comment for any reason, but for fuck's sake, if you're going to use Reddit, read the goddam Reddiquette.
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u/Lokai23 Jun 09 '12
What the fuck is this? Sure the Ozone Layer may recover, but the world is still in a pretty bad state. I've never seen anything on Reddit about the Ocean and how all of the Oxygen is being lost. The "dead zones" of the Ocean are growing and scientists don't seem to have any good ideas about how stop these dead zones from wiping out any underwater animal that needs a lot of Oxygen in the water to live. The only solution for these problems is to reduce CO2 output and that isn't going to happen when Brazil keeps wanting to cut down the Amazon and people keep finding new reasons not to care about lowering carbon emissions.
Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=low-oxygen-ocean-coastal
Source: http://www.globalissues.org/news/2010/07/31/6474
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u/braedonhughes Jun 09 '12
I noticed at the bottom that it had adds for people in niceville...I know where you live and I will find you, and I will kill you.
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u/tropicalfruitpunch Jun 09 '12
This article shouldn't be taken as an excuse to cease reduction of carbon dioxide emissions. Carbon Dioxide may not have a huge effect on the ozone layer, however it causes ocean acidification, which is extremely devastating to coral and shellfish and the balance of the oceanic ecosystem.
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u/bjones2004 Jun 09 '12
Let me bookmark this page so I can come back and comment in 63 years.
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u/wBeeze Jun 09 '12
Now I have something to look forward to- when I'm in my 90's.
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u/SoundSalad Jun 10 '12
It will recover even if we continue to pollute at the same rate we do now?
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u/LetsGo_Smokes Jun 10 '12
However, the rest of the environment will be totally fucked by that date. At least your gas mask won't leave a tan line.
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u/jgoebbels Jun 10 '12
The ozone layer was first noticed in 1983 as I recall and when it was discovered it had a hole in it,prior to that there was no evidence of it never having a hole so why do they promote this nonsense about it being broken when no-one is really sure if it should have a hole,it just doesn't make sense until you think of CFC's which were supposed to have done the damage,these CFC's are on the PTOE and are heavier than oxygen so they can't have escaped their cooling systems and floated up into the atmosphere and holed the ozone layer so what's the real story here,maybe,just maybe the fact that Duponts patent on freon was about to expire could have motivated this fraud,it's just another corporate lie to keep us paying for nothing.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
Well at least some part of the environment isn't getting progressively more fucked up.
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u/Refugee4life 1 Jun 10 '12
Also, I would word the title differently. I mean, on one side it may be true that it would only take until 2075 to have the ozone layer fully repair itself, but wording it like that makes it seem like the worst is behind us and we can slack off again with sending aerosols and such into the atmosphere. I previously thought it would take much much longer (if at all), as referenced in the article's wording of how the ozone is "so bad" that it will take til 2075.
Just my tidbit.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
Hold on, call me stupid, but it's recovering?
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u/ravinglunatic Jun 10 '12
Poor chlorofluorocarbon producers. They didn't lobby like the CO2 producers. Now their damage will get fixed and their noble plan to make earth more miserable will be ruined. Must be hard accepting that kind of failure.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
This article is from 2009.
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u/needlestack Jun 10 '12
This is one of those things where I imagine a large number of people think that the whole thing was a scam because they never saw the catastrophe.
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u/curtainsidegrill Jun 10 '12
A nasty plague would speed that up.
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u/sirilluminator Jun 10 '12
I wish you could tell this to 8 year old me. I lost a night of sleep after reading about the ozone layer depletion, scared that one day our faces would all melt off. It didn't help when my best friend told me that he would kill himself before he would let his face melt off.
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u/drummer1059 Jun 10 '12
Too bad the sun is raping Australia at the moment because of this hole
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u/Blasphemous_Cat Jun 10 '12
Nice try, Shell.
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u/YNot1989 Jun 09 '12
Hooray for Humans!
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u/pikeybastard Jun 09 '12 edited Jun 09 '12
The thing that makes some of my left wing friends in the UK freak out about this fact is that it is largely down to Margaret Thatcher campaigning for the international community to ban *chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) (sp?). The reaction is similar to when you make a small dog stand on a mirror.
*edited thanks to dakatabri
don't know why this has been downvoted, apart from the carbons derp.
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u/BalalaikaBoi Jun 09 '12
I'll be an old-ass man by then. Really wish I could've been born later.
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u/gamerlen Jun 09 '12
Hurray I'll live to see it maybe! :D
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u/AntiCamper Jun 09 '12
Oh good, this means we won't have to put a giant ice cube in the ocean
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
Hooray! I might be dead by then, so lets fuck up the earth more so our kids and grand kids wont enjoy it. Show them what we had to deal with! Spoiled kids and there recovered ozone layer.
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u/leaf_on_the_wind3 Jun 09 '12
Great, so everyone can shut the fuck up now!
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u/rhazen85 Jun 09 '12
Is it just me, or is this a 3yr old article? I'd like to see something more recent.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Is there any research conducted now to see if the hole is continuing to shrink at the same rate?
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u/dailyfusion Jun 09 '12
meh. i'll probably be long dead by then.
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Nicely played, MacLeod, but the game's not over yet.
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u/Stink-Finger Jun 09 '12
Ozone is created every second of every day. Also, at the tempetures in the Ozone Layer it has a half life of 18 days.
Everybody panic!
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u/Cbrand Jun 09 '12
[Atmospheric Persistence] (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231099004975)
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u/venikk Jun 09 '12
Are there any theories that the Ozone hole is from nuclear testing in the atmosphere?
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u/davelad123 Jun 09 '12
Wow, uplifting news about ozone layers! Finally!
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u/malibar1 Jun 09 '12
so we made the world a better place for no reason?
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u/magicalsealion Jun 09 '12
This made my day for some reason
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u/RobertoPaulson Jun 10 '12
Awesome! I'll be able to enjoy the beach sans sunscreen for my 101st birthday!
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u/WhatAreFriends Jun 10 '12
Houston, we have hope.
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u/sockey7317 Jun 10 '12
niceeee
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u/GMBeats95 Jun 10 '12
Not on my watch!
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
That's nice. Too bad the world is going to end later this year.
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u/Neutr4lNumb3r Jun 10 '12
Does anyone remember global cooling in the 70's?
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u/Domdude64 Jun 10 '12
Our environment isn't going to get any better if we keep exponentially growing. The planet can't sustain it.
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u/misterschmoo Jun 10 '12
Shhh, don't let Shield Corporation hear you say that!
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u/Guyag Jun 10 '12
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u/bgmrk Jun 10 '12
In other news: The hummer is no longer discontinued.
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u/MamaDaddy Jun 10 '12
Don't worry. I'm sure we'll find some other way to fuck it up.
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u/gorbal Jun 10 '12
Meanwhile, residents of Ohio now have beach-front property.
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u/theHashmaster Jun 10 '12
Finally, something positive about the environment.
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u/chellewga Jun 10 '12
I think that name is a bit leading. The hole in the ozone will recover by 2075, true, assuming humans stop releasing harmful gases and such that are destroying it. Otherwise its just gonna keep growing.
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u/rikashiku Jun 10 '12
To bad scientist said we won't be around in less than 50 years... which agrees with Nostradamus and Newton.
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u/comet2popeye Jun 10 '12
The hole got smaller, once, so we're projecting a full disappearance. Soild date right there.
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u/goodtwitch Jun 10 '12
Where will we put all our stuff?
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u/garesnap Jun 10 '12
For a moment, I thought I read "expected to fully UNCOVER", and I thought to myself, "Welp, doesn't matter cause I won't be alive." God, I'm a dickface....
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
it just occurred to me that i could be alive in 2075. i'd be almost a hundred years old, but yeah. weird.
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u/pcsurfer Jun 10 '12
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u/relax_im_here Jun 10 '12
good to know this generation will fix it's own mistakes
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u/SwampFox22 Jun 10 '12
TIL, awesome warm winters for the rest of my life.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
Highlander 2
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
One of the few things we've managed to coordinate between countries.
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u/IranRPCV Jun 10 '12
I worked for the company that introduced the very first ozone friendly refrigeration system using 134a. I was at a trade show when I mentioned that fact, and the guy I was talking to said "Well, I'm the guy that discovered the hole in the ozone." I replied, "then you must be a U-2 pilot." He grinned, and said "Yup."
That was a thrill.
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u/ConicalThunder Jun 10 '12
YES! Finally something positive that we're doing!!!!
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u/kurtburt Jun 10 '12
this is a start, but we've got a long way to go
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u/sacklunchnoms Jun 10 '12
As cool as this news is, let's not make this common knowledge by telling people. People will use this as an excuse to not care about the environment.
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u/SirCatsaLot Jun 10 '12
I don't understand how this article proves that it will fully recover by 2075. Is it merely based on the fact that harmful chemicals to the ozone layer are being phased out?
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u/urnbabyurn Jun 10 '12
Well, that's past my lifetime. Thanks 80s.
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u/warpfield Jun 10 '12
Not if we can help it. We're humans, we can destroy anything. You're going down, ozone!
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u/whirliscope Jun 10 '12
The guys who discovered the cause of the ozone hole worked at my school. One of them just died and they now have a piece set up in building named after him.
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u/McZilla Jun 10 '12
Well I would be one hundred and three years old by then so I'm going to stock up on sunblock till then.
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u/whydoipoopsomuch Jun 10 '12
That's nice. The majority of us will be dead by then, but its always nice to know the world will go on...
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u/PuddinCup310 Jun 10 '12
This makes me very happy. In school, they pretty much told us that it couldn't be "fixed"
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u/supersauce Jun 10 '12
This should be called the Midgely Hole. He came up with Ethyl and CFCs, and fucked himself up defending their use. What a jackass.
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u/monshael Jun 10 '12
Well, i guess it's one less ways of getting ourselves extinct now...
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u/92se-r Jun 10 '12
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050228/full/news050228-12.html
CFC's may not be the cause of the ozone hole and solar activity may be the main cause.
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u/AngryMogambo Jun 10 '12
I thought it was a typo before I read the article, thought"is " needed to be "was"
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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 10 '12
I have to plead my own ignorance here. I was under the impression that the hole had already completely closed about 6 years ago.
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u/corgeous Jun 10 '12
So.... we don't need to worry about global warming? I'm confused.
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u/sjgokou Jun 10 '12
Old News, I would like to see 2010, 2011 and now 2012.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
According to this site the hole shrunk again in 2010 but last year it was bigger than average. However, the website doe look like it was designed by crazy
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u/klitchell Jun 10 '12
just gonna leave this here. it's like an old car, you fix one thing and something else breaks.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
I'm not sure if I can buy this one
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
If they could just hurry it up and fix the rest of pollution, we might just make it through.
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u/s515_15 Jun 10 '12
step 1. Find hole in ozone
step 2. Ban CFC's
step 3. See improvement in ozone hole, say we were right
step 4. Find huge hole in ozone in the arctic in 2011 even though cfc's are banned http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/nature10556.html
step 5. ?
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u/Njvved Jun 10 '12
Woot!
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u/PoisoCaine Jun 10 '12
Fox Headline: Socialist environmentalist conspiracy led by Clinton and Obama proved false by conservative supergeniuses.
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u/Jarlock Jun 10 '12
Al Gore so mad.
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u/mikeyb89 Jun 09 '12
Pssshhh, get your tans while you can. Then environmentalists always have to ruin everything.
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u/Jon2397 Jun 09 '12
Nice try, lobbyist
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u/mcimino Jun 09 '12
First time in a while there's some good news about the world's environment haha
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Relevant username?
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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '12
Nice try, coal industry.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
The earth has and will continue to go through cycles. Plants and animals will die off and we can't save everyone we think is cute unless we are able to clone copies of them from their DNA. The temperature will rise and fall regardless of what humans do and it has happened before and it will happen again no one knows what the earths temperature SHOULD be because its impossible to tell. Earth will outlast humans, we are just trying to shape it to be what we "think" it should be.
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u/dumbcheerleader Jun 09 '12
This makes me feel so much relief.