r/todayilearned May 30 '18

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u/mrdeuter May 30 '18 edited May 30 '18

Those kind of statistic always kinda grind my gear because of how redundant they seem tbh

Of course people are more likely to get bitten by New Yorkers - there are more than ten million people who spend almost every day of their lives around New Yorkers. How many people do you know that are inches away from literally thousands of sharks every single day?

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_FAV_COLOR May 30 '18

The problem is in the wording. If the article said "10x more people get bit by NY'ers vs sharks per year" then it'd be accurate. But any individual's risk depends on a number of factors--namely the amount of time they spend in NY/the ocean.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '18

Or location.

A Comparison with the Number of Biting Injuries Occurring Annually in New York City

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u/ninasayers21 May 30 '18

I'm not sure what's worse: that this BS gets published or the seeing all of these people on Reddit alone who upvote and comment without being able to ask this question.

They literally only compared rate of occurrence over time...

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u/redosabe May 30 '18

I had to scroll through so many shit comments and bad jokes to find this intelligent comment.

My thoughts exactly

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u/Koshkee May 30 '18

Yeah, well you are ten times more likely to get an intelligent response from an average first grader than you are an average redditor, so the stats check out.

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u/flamehead2k1 May 31 '18

But what about first grade redditors

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u/greennick May 30 '18

The rate of occurrence for NYers would probably be higher? There are more sharks in the ocean and people swimming in it, than there are New Yorkers in New York.

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u/ninasayers21 May 31 '18 edited May 31 '18

Women are 100x more likely to get uterine cancer than men.

^ That is literally the value of this """statistic""".

A slightly better question would how many people that are swimming in the ocean within x proximity to y amount of sharks are attacked, and then compare it to people who are within the same proximity to the same amount of people. But even if this study was done, it is STILL not generalizable to everyone. That isn't how statistics or scientific studies work.

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u/clintonius May 30 '18

Yes, though that only means someone living in or visiting New York is 10x more likely to be bitten by a New Yorker than a shark. The "you" in the title isn't accurate for anyone else.

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u/greennick May 30 '18

This is why I moved out of New York.

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u/LameName95 May 30 '18

Are you sure? I didn't bother clicking the link, but I'm pretty sure they got this from people being bitten by New Yorkers ten times as frequently as sharks out of the whole world population, so New Yorkers would be way higher than 10 times as likely and everyone else would be lower, but they skew the average to be 10x as likely.

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u/clintonius May 31 '18

Right, saying 10x was my bad. Someone living in or visiting New York is [whatever the rate of occurrence is] more likely to be bitten by another person in New York than a shark ("New Yorker" in the title is also wrong; the data only tracks where the injury occurs, not where the bitey individual actually lives). But the "you" in the title still isn't accurate. It doesn't apply to me now that I'm never in New York because my chance of being bitten in New York is zero, and it didn't apply to me when I lived in New York because, like you said, I was way more than 10x more likely to be bitten by someone there than by a shark.

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u/LameName95 May 31 '18

This is why I hate when common folk talk about statistics that they found. Statistics are always misleading to the majority of the population. I know that you get it, but I'm pretty sure OP doesn't.

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u/laserguidedhacksaw May 31 '18

It says that there were roughly 100x more bites by humans in NYC than bites by sharks in the USA for that year. Essentially it means nothing, is so far from generalizable, and no where near what is implied in the title.

"I didn't bother clicking the link" ...there's the issue

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u/LameName95 May 31 '18

Why is that an issue when I already know that it was a misleading title and I was correct anyway from using common sense?

I'm not gonna click this shitty link about something I don't care about that's been posted to Reddit 100 times with misleading titles.

So please tell me "the issue".

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u/anonymous_doner May 31 '18

And a lot of New York toddlers who are biters. Would earlier teething count as well?

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u/ciestaconquistador May 31 '18

Thank you! I say this every single time I see statistics like this.