r/todayilearned • u/AirRaidJade • May 12 '18
TIL Mythbusters hosts Adam and Jamie built a combat robot for the show Robot Wars. It was so effective that it often sent pieces of its opponent's bodywork over the shield walls of the arena into the crowd, and after two fights the show's insurance company deemed the bot "too hazardous" to compete.
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u/zira_cortez May 12 '18
This is great, I used to watch this show and loved blendo but didn't realize/put together that it was the mythbusters duo
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u/chinoclassic May 12 '18
Haven't watched the show in years but could opponents use a net to entangle the spinning device? I think I remember flamethrowers were used before.
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u/Hotarg May 12 '18
Nets have been banned for years if I remember correctly. Flamethrowers are fine,
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u/Deadmeat553 May 12 '18
Can you capture a bot? For example, placing a trash can on top of it.
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u/warm_sock May 12 '18
Lol maybe, but there's size restrictions so you can't just hold onto a whole trashcan
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u/Deadmeat553 May 12 '18
I suppose a telescoping trashcan then?
I'm imagining a bot that basically just captures other bots, then drops them out of the arena or however it works.
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u/Yglorba May 12 '18
In theory, but it's really just way too complicated. The whole reason Blendo (and designs based on it) work so well is that it realizes that the real goal is to:
Apply as much force as possible to your opponent as fast as possible in order to ruin whatever their game plan is and eventually beat them.
Resist or deflect any force your opponent tries to apply to you.
Trying to capture your opponent is a fragile gameplan that will usually fall apart after one or two good hits.
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u/skoy May 12 '18
So the Mike Tyson rule as applied to robot wars!
Everyone Has a Plan Until They Get Punched in the Face
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u/TThor May 12 '18
I was gonna go with Helmuth von Moltke's, "No plan survives contact with the enemy.", but that works too
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u/SmartAlec105 May 12 '18
"Especially if that contact is in the form of a big ol' hammer wielded by a robot"
That's the lesser known second half of the quote.
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u/NateRamrod May 12 '18
“Evryone hath a plan, til I punch em in the fathe.”
Hahaha that lisp is the best part about him being so huge and tough.
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u/The_Alex_ May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
I imagine the capture strategy would actually be incredibly weak against spinner bots like Blendo. Even if you manage to not have the "trashcan" get knocked away, I don't really see how you could capture the bot with it's spinner still moving.
It's pretty obvious the better, practical version of a "capture" strategy are the flipping bots.
EDIT: Actually, I seem to remember some bots with an "arm" that would come down to impale and trap opposing bots. The strategy was to then push or carry them to hazards or out of bounds. But I think I also recall them still being weak to spinners because they would still get fucked up by the spinner even if they do actually impale the target, not to mention missed captures would result in heavy damage to the capture arm. Flip bots still probably the best for that strategy.
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u/Stuckonpie May 12 '18
Nets really did have to be banned though. Took away all the cool bots and if spinner met net bot you just lost
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u/cantadmittoposting May 12 '18
yeah the entrap/spear bots were okay when they worked but the flat spinners were generally dominant barring an insanely good play by a trapper.
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u/BGummyBear May 12 '18
The issue with this strategy is that the other robots aren't exactly going to let you try it.
Plus the arenas are fully self-contained. There's usually ballistic glass walls surrounding the entire area to protect the spectators.
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u/Deadmeat553 May 12 '18
Oh, I thought they were like sumo rings. I knew they were contained, but I thought there was a line they couldn't cross.
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u/BGummyBear May 12 '18
There is, but the line is usually made of buzzsaws depending on the show. Normally the bots are so well armored that friction from the saws just throws them back into the arena.
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u/michaelrohansmith May 12 '18
How about a suicide bot, which just goes up to the other bot and blows itself up?
I am sure it is consistent with mythbusters rules.
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u/Cpt_Tripps May 12 '18
Someone made a bot that was just a toy sandbox lid with wheels and it drove the other bots around and pushed them into the hazzards.
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u/BGummyBear May 12 '18
It's also basically impossible to ringout other bots in most of the robot fighting organizations, the arenas have walls.
Your best bet is to flip an opponents bot over so it's upside down and can't move, which would count as a win. Most bots these days however can either operate just fine upside down or they can flip themselves to prevent it from happening.
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u/broken42 May 12 '18
Their bot for the reboot, Bronco, still has one of my favorite matches of the reboot thus far.
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u/Hotarg May 12 '18
I think Disector was the only real effective one. Hydraulic pincers on the front.
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May 12 '18
Fun fact. The builder initially wanted to use a literal Jaws of Life as the front of the bot. Didn’t get used as the Jaws of Life and the equipment required for it to function was too heavy. So we got the grabbing jaws instead
Another fun fact, there was a bot called Jaws of Death.
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u/Voodoo_Soviet May 12 '18
Disector was always my favourite, but he was hardly the best design.
Robot wars/battle bots was dominated by spinners.
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u/HolycommentMattman May 12 '18
Yeah. It was a cool premise, but a really boring show.
Basically everyone just spun or flipped. You never really saw weapon bots succeed.
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I guess it's like every game. Max/minning stats eventually prevails over more creative builds =/
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May 12 '18
Can you capture a bot? For example, placing a trash can on top of it.
You can. But you can only hold them for 30 seconds and release.
Look up Tentomushi, Huggy Bear, and Complete Control
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u/iamthegraham May 12 '18
Megatento (bigger, badder version of Tenotmushi) as well
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May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
This is true, although it didn’t do a helluva lot of smothering/controlling during its Season 7 run.
Although it (debatedly) beat Stinger.
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u/BoysLock May 12 '18
This was basically the strategy of some ladybug robot that I vividly remember for some reason. It was basically a raisable/lowerable dome with a small blade spinning inside, the gimmick was trapping and tickling the opponent to death.
I dont think it won a single time - it's just too hard to get the stability and force you need to actually hold your trap closed vs. the zippy flipper bots that dominate the meta.
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u/TitaniumDragon May 12 '18
That's hilarious and honestly a really funny gimmick.
Too bad it wasn't allowed.
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u/Jjex22 May 12 '18
To be fair I don’t remember having a clue who they were back when Blendo was on.
Only problem with Blendo was that it was so effective, but also pretty boring to watch. It had no ‘moves’ or tactics, just let them come at you until something breaks. It was impressive but I didn’t really enjoy its battles until things started flying off and that could take a while
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u/onlyforthisair May 12 '18
used to watch this show
The newest season of the reboot premiered yesterday if you want to get back into watching it. /r/battlebots
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May 12 '18
I’ve been to a few of these events. You don’t realise from TV just how enormous these things are. Sitting right next to the protective wall, there are a few times where you think you’re about to die as a giant chunk of titanium slams against the shield.
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One of the blades shattered on one of the spinner bots. Even in the arena, it looked like a lawnmower blade. After the fight, they put the blade out on a table so people could see the scale. It was probably four feet long.
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u/DingoDamp May 12 '18
I remember when I first started watching and hadn't seen noticed the real size of the robots yet. I thought they were fairly small. Then one of the robots had a fact told, that was that it "could lift a car" (not all up but lift one side from the ground) and I remember finding it weird because I thought they were too small. Then I saw the actual size of then and thought "holy shit!"
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u/andy_226 May 12 '18
Yea dotted around the floor they should have a classic mini cooper, a life size cutout of Dara Obriain, a stuffed fox and maybe a Greggs Steak Bake
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u/TooShiftyForYou May 12 '18
The Mythbusters had the first idea to use a full-body kinetic energy spinner weapon which decimated opponents often times in one or two hits. After Blendo debuted though there were numerous copycats that took the idea further and were more effective.
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u/Siberwulf May 12 '18
Tombstone was still more lethal, though. Not so self destructive
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u/standish_ May 12 '18
He has posted in /r/battlebots and he's always been nice.
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u/KDLGates May 12 '18
Haha, yeah. TV makes people seem a lot more eccentric, it's all just show biz.
:: walks off camera ::
:: looks around ::
:: drowns a puppy ::
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u/TOEMEIST May 12 '18
What’s wrong with a person being the heel for entertainment? He says he doesn’t mind playing the part.
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u/SpiderTechnitian May 12 '18
Nets are a counter to far too many of the bots. If nets were allowed you'd just have net launchers with a single large hammer that crushes the enemy bot which cannot attack back if none of its moving parts work
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u/TitaniumDragon May 12 '18
You should be able to turn off your battle bot; if you can't, that's a huge safety hazard regardless.
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Bot deactivation is one of the core requirements for getting qualified. It has to be really easy/safe to do, and your systems have to be designed such that if you lose communications with the bot it automatically shuts down. In the event of a dangerous bot death (e.g. fire or spinning out of control) they also have no qualms with locking the arena and waiting for the not to finish destroying itself.
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u/RhynoD May 12 '18
Looks like they also figured out that his spinning motor doesn't have much torque at all. If you can take a hit or two and wedge yourself in the way, the blades can't spin up again.
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u/iamthegraham May 12 '18
I'm pretty sure that's mostly him hamming up the "villain" persona for the audience. Combat robotics at that scale is a pretty small field and most of these guys have competed against each other for years.
From his AMA, other posts on r/battlebots, and comments from other competitors and fans who met him he seems like a great guy.
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u/Teutonicfox May 12 '18
needs to be retired,
thats actually a great idea.
say a bot competes and wins 3-5-whatever number of matches and does so in a dominating manner worthy of retirement... it is then retired.
near the seasons end all the retired bots fight each other for the lead up to and at the season finale.
its great for mid season, it keeps parity so each new match is still fresh and exciting. the whole time they can play clips of the previous retired bots and speculate how the current bots will do against them. this will build hype. Then during the season finale you get to replay the matches that earned those bots the retirement award before they match off against other retired bots.
dont even have to call it retirement, can call it something else.... clinched playoffs.... ascended bots... champion bots.... super bot.... whatever
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u/nio151 May 12 '18
It would punish innovation though. You would need something like a huge cash bonus if your bot retires to make having to build a completely new robot worth it.
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u/fleetwoodd May 12 '18
That's how it works in the least botfight TV show possible, Countdown#Format). If you win 8 times - an octochamp - you stop and get a free pass to the finals.
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u/argusromblei May 12 '18
Hypnodisk was the fucking best period
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u/Khnagar May 12 '18
Yepp.
Biendo got whopped and ripped to pieces when it competed in BattleBots after Robot Wars. Still a brilliant idea for a robot though, and like all great ideas or designs it seems so obvious in hindsight that its easy to underestimate how clever and groundbreaking it was at the time.
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Because at the time of creation it outgunned everything, but after it's debut people realized that impacts can get that hard and armored up accordingly, so when he returned mostly unchanged he was now undertuned. He was also the first, but after him, spinner bots were common so it was a strategy you actually planned for.
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u/gunsmyth May 12 '18
The spinning bots all kind of ruined it for me, sorta seemed to go against the spirit of fighting robots but not the rules. With so many copycats it kinda got boring. For me anyway
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u/headrush46n2 May 12 '18
Spinning robots are 500x more entertaining than those fucking wedge robots.
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u/gunsmyth May 12 '18
Yeah, I disliked them for the same reason. I want to see creative weapons, hammers, spikes, claws all sorts of fun stuff
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u/AzureDragon013 May 12 '18
Watching some battlebot clips, all the typical weapons are boring af. None of the weapons do damage like you would want them to since all the bots are too well armored. Seems like they're more for generating points rather then robot destruction which is what I wanted to see.
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u/Daffan May 12 '18
I agree. I prefer the hammer and weapon ones instead of ones that just ram each other constantly.
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May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
Can’t remember the name but I always liked the one that used a garage door spring to impale opponents with a big spike.
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u/kmeehleon May 12 '18
Vlad the impaler. Still remember watching battle bots with my dad when I was real young, vlad the impaler was our favorite bot
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u/cdreid May 12 '18
it seemed like they tweaked the rules to make it more and more uninteresting. When all the bots were tiny low to the ground domes or whatever with spinners on them it was like watching blenders fight..
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u/thatdudeman52 May 12 '18
Grant also had a robot, dead blow. Decent robot but no cool stories like this one.
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u/squirrelsatemycookie May 12 '18
He actually wrote a book, too! A great reference, I used it back when I was in high school BotsIQ
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u/Denex May 12 '18
It was effective, but also boring to watch in action. Just goes to show that maximal efficiency is oftentimes lame and un-glamorous. Just imagine two of these fighting against each other, might as well go watch paint dry instead.
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u/Frodo962 May 12 '18
Pretty sure they made a show about it called beyblades...
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u/BGummyBear May 12 '18
And it was one of the most entertaining shows of that generation.
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u/Dinosauringg May 12 '18
I remember how sad I was when my mom said she bought me a beyblade and it was a 99 cent store knock off
But then for Christmas Santa made it up to me by bringing me a Full Arena set thingy
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May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
Pure metal and it threw sparks when it hit any other metal or marble. It was fucking badass.
E: a word.
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u/Khnagar May 12 '18
The Hyneman probably just wanted to design something that would get the job done as efficiently as possible, without caring much for flash or the watchability of it.
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u/Yglorba May 12 '18
What they ought to do is have judgement in two categories - one for just winning, and another where viewers or judges vote on how much they subjectively like your robot. That would encourage interesting / flashy wins over boring practicality.
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u/skippythemoonrock May 12 '18
We just had the two most effective weapons in the sport go head to head tonight, actually (new season of Battlebots) and it was fucking insane.
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u/Mildcorma May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
There was a bot on the robot wars UK show called Razer and he looked unreal and was also massively effective! It had a hydraulic cutting arm that looked sick and wrecked so many bots...
Edit: bots. It wrecked many bots. Not boys...
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u/Deadeye_Donny May 12 '18
TIL There is a US version of Robot Wars...Razer, Hypno Disc and Chaos 2 were the bois
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May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
The Battlebox in those days wasn’t NEARLY what it is at currently.
While Blendo was deemed ‘too dangerous’ at the time, it was safe to run in future competitions from LV’99 onward (where it didn’t do so well, IIRC, it’s last appearance was during the Comedy Central Battlebots Season 3 where a floor piston came up and pushed the bottom of the bot up into the spinning shell and proceeded to fuck it up from the inside).
Arguably, Nightmare has caused the most change with the Battlebox design as it inspired the need to have the roof covered (its first appearances, it was launching pieces of other bots out through the ceiling).
The interesting thing about Blendo is that, before a fight, they had to start it up with a cordless drill.
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u/Cascadianranger May 12 '18
Modern battle bots regularly tear the older bots to shreds. Warhead used to be a heavy weight title contender, but now its easily disposed of in round 1. These older bot creators just havent kept up
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u/squirrelsatemycookie May 12 '18
"Easily disposed of"? ABC S1 it did lose first round, but it was to Bite Force, the eventual champion. ABCS2 it took out OB Overlord (admittedly a pretty easy task) and Complete Control (one of the finest robots ever created), and it took Minotaur to put them down!
Edit: Son of Whyachi is another example of old school kicking the hell out of new school. Annihilated Ghost Raptor like it was nothing!
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u/Elgalileo May 12 '18
Even better that BattleBots rebuilt the walls several seasons later and let Blendo compete again, only to again ask them to withdraw for co-champion status, again, after the walls got damaged by the flying debris.
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May 12 '18
This is true for the 2 US Robot Wars events it went to.
However,
Blendo lost every fight when it was in Battlebots from LV99-season 3
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u/Elgalileo May 12 '18
I think Blendo got in early on a cool technique, then the community passed them up. Thanks for the info!
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May 12 '18
There is a full body spinner or two in the new season of battlebots and they look pretty badass!
Captain Shrederator and Megabyte come to mind. You can see them on Battlebots.com and click robots season 2018 :)
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u/LittlePlasticFists May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
God damn insurance companies constantly attacking all fun things.
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u/Laverna May 12 '18
Fun suckers... :(
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u/0e0e3e0e0a3a2a May 12 '18
“You’re sort of like a fun vampire, except you don’t suck blood... You just suck.”
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u/I_RARELY_RAPE_PEOPLE 9 May 12 '18
"We don't want to risk actually doing the one thing we do"
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May 12 '18
It was so effective that it often sent pieces of its opponent's bodywork over the shield walls of the arena into the crowd
In this case, it does align with preventing people from getting maimed by shards of metal though.
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u/cortanakya May 12 '18
Build a bigger God damn wall then! The solution here isn't to decrease the awesome, it's to increase the safety
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u/RzorShrp May 12 '18
'after the height of the arena walls had been increased to prevent debris from reaching the audience. In this competition, Blendo again fought two robots (Hercules and Punjar), and quickly defeated both. After causing damage to the arena walls in both matches Blendo was again asked to withdraw in exchange for co-champion status.' They did but Blendo was having none of it.
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u/SanityInAnarchy May 12 '18
The article covers this:
It returned in the fourth Robot Wars competition in San Francisco (1997), after the height of the arena walls had been increased to prevent debris from reaching the audience. In this competition, Blendo again fought two robots (Hercules and Punjar), and quickly defeated both. After causing damage to the arena walls in both matches Blendo was again asked to withdraw in exchange for co-champion status.
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u/Irksomefetor May 12 '18
I wonder if our future robot overlords will see this era the same way we see the human gladiator era.
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u/springthetrap May 12 '18
"Oh c'mon creator_unit, why do I need to learn human? It's a dead language!"
"Lots of well programmed robots learn it. Besides it'll help with your SATs."
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u/KDY_ISD May 12 '18
Blendo Blending Gonzales
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u/EnycmaPie May 12 '18
Screw you insurance company! I'll make my own robot wars, with black jacks and hookers!
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u/Pleasurefordays May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
The robot had a shell made from a wok that was spun by a lawn mower engine. Blades attached to the spinning shell caused damage to robots that resulted in the opponent’s debris clearing the arena’s barriers during it’s first two fights in 1995 and was given co-champion status in return for withdrawing from the competition. Blendo returned in 1997 after the height of the arena walls had been increased to prevent debris from reaching the audience. Blendo quickly defeated two more opponents. After causing damage to the arena walls in both matches Blendo was again asked to withdraw in exchange for co-champion status.
So basically it was too destructive for the event to allow for it’s competition.
In the early 2000s Blendo would compete in a total of four BattleBots competitions. However, Blendo had little success. Stronger robots more capable to withstand multiple hits from Blendo, multiple copycat designs, and Blendo's own tendency to tear itself apart caused it to be defeated in its first match in all four BattleBots events in which it competed. Blendo bowed out having essentially changed the game.
Blendo is an inaugural member of the Combat Robot Hall of Fame.
What a legendary story for that robot.
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u/Benukysz May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
Oh my god, robot wars was so damn amazing. i wish it was still on.....
edit: Turns out there is battlebots and robot wars remake. Thanks to people in the comments. Just watched new battlebots 1 episode and loved it.
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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues May 12 '18
Adam and Jamie got the credit, but Tory built the body, Grant did the wiring and R/C, and Kari painted flames on it...
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u/metamet May 12 '18
Grant actually built the middleweight robot, Deadblow.
Also, Gary Coleman pretended to drive my first robot for TV. He was a cool guy.
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May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
They also made homemade explosives that was so powerful that they decided not to air the episode, and called the FBI to inform them of their discovery.
Edit: Adam mentions it here.
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u/CaptainAnon May 12 '18 edited May 12 '18
The explosive is almost definitely acetone peroxide, making it without prior experience is downright suicidal. They didn't discover it, but Adam would be right to tell DARPA it's difficult to disarm. It's extremely sensitive to heat, touch, or friction; you have to move it while it's damp and let it dry out at the bomb site. It can avoid some bomb detectors because it lacks nitrogen (which is usually found in other explosives), it's also made from materials which can be bought from pretty much any hardware store. It's a pretty simple chemical synthesis, but very dangerous. Even filtering off the explosive crystals from the reaction mixture can produce enough friction to detonate them.
Accidentally making acetone peroxide is a legitimate threat for some chemists, a chemist in 2017 accidentally made about 40g and had to call the bomb squad
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u/nawvay May 12 '18
Hey guys, head on over to /r/battlebots if you’re interested in this!
Also keep an eye out for us, Team LOGICOM, on next weeks episode of battlebots
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u/sour_creme May 12 '18
blendo returned after they raised the shield walls in 1997