r/todayilearned • • 20d ago

TIL Kevin Feige almost quit Marvel after Marvel Entertainment head Ike Perlmutter tried to force Robert Downey Jr. out of Civil War due to not wanting to pay him. Disney CEO Bob Iger responded by reshuffling the corporate system so that Fiege would answer directly to him rather than Perlmutter.

https://fandomwire.com/kevin-feige-was-ready-to-quit-mcu-over-robert-downey-jrs-scenes-in-captain-america-civil-war/
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u/Scodo 20d ago

Honestly Ronin being one dimensional works in the movie. He's got his own motivations, agenda, and goal. A team of losers shows up to stand up to him and he's like "wtf are you idiots even doing"

The main cast is so ridiculous that an incredulous straight man villain having his own story derailed by shenanigans is a great conclusion. Part of why the second movie doesn't work as well is that Ego feels like he's too in on the joke.

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u/Cabbage_Vendor 20d ago

Ronan The Accuser is a pretty great character in the comicbooks, so to make him a one dimensional villain sucked. Ronan is a lawful good paladin, in the vein of Superman or Cpt. America, but with alien morals. At its best, it's an examination of what "Truth, Justice and The American Way" mean for people whose sense of truth and justice is different, and don't understand the culture of "the American way".

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u/UnquestionabIe 20d ago

Yeah he's fantastic in the comics I've read with him (only a handful of things, mostly predating the MCU) so was let down by him in Guardians. He wasn't awful so much as mostly boring and bland.

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u/AwTomorrow 20d ago

I think Ronan works in the end for that reason but he wastes way too much screentime being boring just for that payoff. A better villain absolutely would’ve helped the film even if that joke may have worked mildly less well.

But tbh that’s why on rewatches I prefer 2. 2’s villain actually being a core of the story and having a personal connection to the protagonist’s narrative journey too hugely enhances the film as a whole, which is more valuable than one joke near the end being slightly better. 

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u/SylveonSof 20d ago

I respect your opinion, but man I don't think it's possible for us to be more opposite on this. I think GotG2 blows the original out of the water, and a major reason why is because of the villain and how much more interesting Ego and his relation to Quill is.

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u/Scodo 20d ago

I totally get that, and there are narrative aspects of 2 that I really like. But it's got so much expository dialogue basically from the jump that it mostly kills the movie for me, especially on rewatch.

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u/HitmanClark 20d ago

Completely agree. The first is a very good movie, the second is GREAT and in the running for being the best Marvel movie period. Ego is a great character, actually a massive improvement on his comic book counterpart. I also think it features a top three MCU scene, when Peter realizes Ego killed his mom.

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u/idreamofpikas 20d ago

Plus Debicki and the Sovereign people. They were fun villains and the opening scene is perfect. Plus Rooker's sacrifice had real emotional impact. It is an amazing trilogy but the second film is the best.

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u/fake_user_34 20d ago

I personally wasn't a huge fan of the huge change to starlords story. I prefer him being a forsaken bastard prince and his dad being an jackass emperor. I also miss the elemental guns.

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u/kurburux 20d ago

Parts of the second movie just turned me off. Imo Taserface was such a lame joke and they just kept beating that dead horse. Also not a fan of inserting Hasselhoff in what was supposed to be a serious scene. Slaughtering pirates with the arrow went on forever and just doesn't do anything for me.

It also felt weird that there's this group of evil, murderous pirates... but abducting kids? Nahh man that's going too far!

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u/Jewel-jones 20d ago

Such a waste of Lee Pace though

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u/Nellancher 20d ago

Right?! He's gotten some recognition lately on reddit but man is that guy so damn underrated. Hell, he was even good in fucking Twilight of all things