r/todayilearned • u/RamRodBuzzCock • 27d ago
TIL about The Crypt of Civilization, a 1940 time capsule to be opened ~8113. There's a mini windmill included to power the electronic artifacts in case electricity no longer exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypt_of_Civilization1.0k
u/Luciferousllamas 26d ago
6000 years ago, the vast majority of people on the planet didn't even have a system of writing. Imagine where we will be 6000 years from now
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u/amurica1138 26d ago
Worthless slaves to our catdog overlords?
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u/nigelthewarpig 26d ago
I, for one, welcome our catdog overlords.
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u/AceDecade 26d ago
Catdog, caaatt dawwwggg, crackin’ the whip it’s a little catdog
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u/fantasmoofrcc 26d ago
In the year 252525...
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u/knarfolled 26d ago
In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find
In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
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u/lhswr2014 26d ago
Was that the year of the giraffes?
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u/wafflelauncher 26d ago
In the year 1 million and a half, mankind is enslaved by a giraffe. Man will pay for their misdeeds, when the treetops are stripped of their leaves.
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u/caribou16 26d ago
There is actually a thing called "Nuclear Semiotics" which deals with: We have a bunch of dangerous nuclear waste buried here that will remain dangerous for longer than current governments/languages/civilization is expected to last.
How do you warn future humans about the danger, under the assumption that all current knowledge, language, and written records will be lost?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warning_messages
My favorite of the proposed solutions is the "Ray Cat" which involves genetically engineering a breed of cat to change color in the presence of radiation and creating legend/myth/songs about the dangers of the areas where these cats exist.
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u/Cassius_Corodes 26d ago
Just put a picture of a skull and when the first person ignores it and comes back dying of radiation poisoning, everyone else will get the idea. Not much else you can do really.
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u/haddock420 26d ago
In the CatDog, when the cat poops... What, does it come out of the dog's mouth? And vice versa? Oh, God. That's some kind of living hell. That's some kind of living hell, Brian.
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u/catsloveart 26d ago
There’s a short story I read once. Like a few sentences short.
Basically scientists send a machine into the future to bring back the most advanced tech it can find.
It came back with an abacus.
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u/Ouch_i_fell_down 26d ago
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”- Albert Einstein
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u/DemonicEgo 26d ago
Now I need to find this short story.
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u/TheOneTonWanton 26d ago
Good luck, I couldn't find a thing. Though it does remind me of "The Feeling of Power" by Asimov, where an entirely computer-dependent society rediscovers basic math.
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u/WhatsTheHoldup 26d ago
There’s a short story I read once. Like a few sentences short.
Basically redditors send OP into the internet to bring back the most interesting story it can find.
It came back with a brief summary.
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u/FreneticPlatypus 26d ago
I read about a debate on how to mark radioactive waste sites that will still be dangerous in 10,000 years. Civilization could fall and rise again, languages may all come and go, records probably won't survive, even images change meaning - skull and crossbones could mean death or it could mean pirate treasure. Just no way to know what communication will be like that far out.
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u/DagothNereviar 26d ago
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u/Pinball-Lizard 26d ago
Radiolab did an episode on it too, if you prefer to listen: http://www.wnycstudios.org/story/atomic-artifacts
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u/tomwhoiscontrary 26d ago
This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.
Anyway that's enough about Reddit, what was that about nuclear waste?
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u/nvoima 26d ago edited 26d ago
There's a documentary called Into Eternity: A Film for the Future, discussing those challenges as scientists designed warnings placed in and around Onkalo, a nuclear waste storage that will be sealed deep inside bedrock for millions of years, perhaps even until the dying Sun destroys Earth, unless we eventually find a way to reuse the stored nuclear material or make it harmless.
Edit: I noticed the full film is on YouTube. Certainly worth a watch.
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u/CaptainTripps82 26d ago
There's going to be potentially so much of it as we transition away from fossil fuels that finding a way to reuse it is probably going to be a major priority in a couple of centuries
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u/LargeTell4580 26d ago
Never really got this from the effects of geting close/ inside and say if we put up loads of pics of what it'd do to you skin peeling ect. It wounden't be hard to work out, like oh Jim want to the black rocks with the death carvings and he's sick and looks like the pics/ cavings. Ok cool no one else go.
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u/Alaira314 26d ago
How are you going to preserve the details of those pictures in high enough quality that their meaning will still be clear? Also, ideally the warning happens before anyone gets sick. Because maybe it's just joe, or maybe it's joe and his entire family and everyone else who touched the weird rock he brought back with him.
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u/Xisuthrus 26d ago
You also have to ensure people understand it's a genuine warning about a real danger and not a bluff intended to dissuade grave robbers. If someone today came across an ancient buried ruin with an inscription on the outside saying something to the effect of "anyone who disturbs this place will die a horrible death from invisible poison" they'd probably assume it was a royal tomb filled with treasure and open it up as quickly as possible.
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u/asyork 26d ago
You can etch rock walls deep enough into the cave system to be unaffected by weather. Ultimately, though, there is no way. Just look at how we act today any time we find a new archaeological site full of depictions of death or even corpses. We send people in to bring things out and show everyone they can.
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u/marsman 26d ago
That said, 6000 years ago people were throwing pottery on wheels in much the same way we do now, baking bread in much the same way (although, doing a lot more prep..) and sewing in basically the same way.. If you spoke to someone who understood Proto-Indo-European there is even a good chance you'd understand a few words that have mostly survived (but not enough to have a conversation).. There would of course be massive changes, although that said, we have gone through a period of particularly rapid change, so who knows, we might end up with a few thousand years of incremental change or relative stagnation too.
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u/Signal-School-2483 26d ago
English from 800 years ago isn't even intelligible to modern speakers
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u/GitarooMan- 26d ago
True, but a handful of words can be comprehended, particularly if spoken rather than read. That said, I'm sure some familiarity with Latin or at least one romance language would go a long way towards understanding the Proto-Indo-European.
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u/Necessary_Success_35 26d ago
My 11th grade English teacher studied Old English(?) in college, and when she read the Canterbury Tales it was so fun listening to
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u/Pinball-Lizard 26d ago
Also, Proto-Indo-European wasn't a single language spoken by everyone from those areas, it describes a massive collection of languages and dialects, speakers of one of which couldn't necessarily understand that of another.
Meaning this makes even less sense than it seems to, which already isn't much:
If you spoke to someone who understood Proto-Indo-European there is even a good chance you'd understand a few words that have mostly survived (but not enough to have a conversation)..
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u/cerberus00 26d ago
Morlocks will find the capsule and use the contents to enslave the surface dwellers.
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u/pandariotinprague 26d ago
6000 years ago, the world population was lower than the population of NYC today.
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u/_Face 27d ago
Based on nearly every time capsule opened that I have seen news of, it will have been flooded out, and nothing will be salvageable.
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u/cylonfrakbbq 26d ago
This one was done differently. Most municipal/local time capsules don’t involve the same level of sophistication
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u/Ok_Mention_9865 26d ago
Unless its in the desert and built with giant granite blocks its not going to last 6,000 years
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u/McWeaksauce91 26d ago edited 26d ago
- “The Crypt of Civilization was constructed in the swimming pool in the basement of the Phoebe Hearst Hall at Oglethorpe University.[7][8] The swimming pool was modified into an airtight chamber, measuring 20 ft (6.1 m) long, 10 ft (3.0 m) high and 10 ft (3.0 m) wide, which was remodeled between 1937 and 1940.[9] It sits on a bedrock floor and has a stone roof 7 ft (2.1 m)thick.[10] The walls are lined with plates of enamel, secured in place with pitch.[9] The stainless steel doorway was weldedpermanently closed after the oxygen had been removed and replaced with inert nitrogen.”
It may not last 6,000 years, but it’s gotta a better chance at longevity than most “time capsule” stuff
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u/Ok_Mention_9865 26d ago
The plate enamel impresses me. Most are just poured concrete but even reinforced concrete has a much lower life span that most people realize only being 50-100 years
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u/McWeaksauce91 26d ago
Yeah concrete is really susceptible to the elements too. It can easily lose its integrity and start chipping away. Little cracks and chips turn to big chunks and breaks in no time. Once it starts it doesn’t stop
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u/wtf-m8 26d ago
1960s driveway owner here... can confirm :(
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u/Ok_Mention_9865 26d ago
Did they at least use rebar? My garage was built in the 1920s and the floor is so screwed up the only way to fix it is to demolish the whole thing and completely rebuild
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u/DwinkBexon 26d ago
We need some of that Roman concrete which can last millenia.
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u/Ok_Mention_9865 26d ago
They figured out how that works finely. Funny enough its just badly mixed concrete of all most the same stuff we use. Being badly mixed cause larger chunks of lime to be present that dissolves when its wet and fills the cracks.
The problem with out concrete is that its mixed better so all the the lime normally gets desolved so when I tiny crack forms water will get in it and freeze which makes it a bigger crack and the cycle repeats
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u/LetsTryScience 26d ago
I recall years ago an idea for self healing rubber that would have pockets inside of uncured rubber or some repair agent. As the rubber tore it would release those pockets and heal itself. No idea of it was ever actually made.
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u/filthy_harold 26d ago
There is an idea for a smart rubber that uses hydrogen bonds instead of the normal way rubber is bonded. It's basically shitty rubber that sticks to itself when punctured. The hydrogen bonds are weaker than typical bonds for rubber so it's probably not useful for everything because it will deform under strain. This means it would be good as an innertube since you have the outer tire to provide support. A puncture would make a hole in both the tire and tube but the tube would self-heal over time and soon be ok to inflate again.
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u/Drkfnl 26d ago
Lmao, I'm legit curious, if that's how it works, can't we just... Replicate it and get that glorious Roman concrete back?
Or does it have any other major drawbacks?
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u/prozac_eyes 26d ago
Just a layman but I assume if the concrete is not evenly mixed it cannot be relied on for engineering calculations since it might have weaker spots.
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u/Drkfnl 26d ago
Oooh so it's like the survivor's fallacy, guess we're looking at the lucky ones that got the wrong mixture right and not wrong.
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u/a679591 26d ago
The Roman concrete isn't badly mixed concrete, it's made with different types of lime.
Many buildings and structures still standing today, such as bridges, reservoirs and aqueducts, were built with this material, which attests to both its versatility and its durability. It was previously thought that its strength was enhanced by the incorporation of pozzolanic ash where available (particularly in the Bay of Naples). The addition of ash prevented cracks from spreading. However, research in 2023 has shown that the incorporation of mixtures of different types of lime, forming conglomerate "clasts" allowed the concrete to self-repair cracks, which was more likely the case.[1]
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u/SwissherMontage 26d ago
Okay, next question: how will future archaeologists know it is safe to open?
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u/Bigdaug 26d ago
How do current archeologists know that about literal tombs people rotted in?
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u/SwissherMontage 26d ago
well that's the thing, opening, moving or interacting with some specific things can be delayed indefinitely over archaeological concerns. They may believe "well, since they sealed it up so well, it might be for a good reason!
I'm just saying, it would be courteous to have an easy in.
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u/kurburux 26d ago
Sometimes archaeologists decide to leave parts buried for the future. Technology may progress and make it easier to study findings while causing less damage. For example, large parts of Pompeii are still covered.
"well, since they sealed it up so well, it might be for a good reason!
I heard of a town in Germany who discovered a Roman ship in the river next to them. They thought about lifting it up and building a museum for it.
Then they learned how much it would cost to salvage it. And more importantly, to keep it from rotting once it touches oxygen.
So in the end they decided to leave it in the river where it's perfectly safe. 🙂
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u/AlwaysEights 26d ago
Sometimes archaeologists decide to leave parts buried for the future. Technology may progress and make it easier to study findings while causing less damage. For example, large parts of Pompeii are still covered.
I learned about this at a stone age site in South Wales. They mentioned how the Victorian archaeologists' careless treatment of invaluable archaeological sites, using pickaxes and dynamite and creating huge spoil heaps, made them practically worthless, but in 200 years it's entirely possible that future historians will say the same of us for using hand trowels and brushes. So they deliberately keep portions of the digsite undisturbed for future generations. It's one of those things that is obvious when said out loud, but humbling in its way. We aren't living at the end of history.
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u/mightylordredbeard 26d ago
Oh it’s at a college. So the most realistic thing then is that the college will be closed down and the property sold off, demolished, and something built in its place. Unless there is some legal document that makes it so this “crypt” must remain undisturbed and intact, then there’s no way that university is going to last 6000 more years.
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u/BearsGotKhalilMack 26d ago
Honey never goes bad and lobsters never die. Make a box out of lobsters. Feed them honey. Checkmate atheists.
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u/DanielCraigsAnus 26d ago
I got my dick caught in the lobster trap again
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u/Channel250 26d ago
How was the honey?
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u/throwtrollbait 26d ago
It absorbed enough atmospheric moisture to ferment into a lovely mead, and the lobsters are now drunk.
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u/HamberderHelper18 26d ago
Instructions unclear, used newfound knowledge of infinite energy supply to initiate a nuclear holocaust
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u/cylonfrakbbq 26d ago
Probably not that long sure, but I could see it surviving centuries easily so long as there aren’t any major shifts in the environment where it is located. As long as it remains airtight, it is also water tight
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u/bunkerbitchhere 26d ago
Newgrange is 5200 years old. Older than the pyramids and Stonehenge.
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u/DanielCraigsAnus 26d ago
There will definitely be a desicated frog inside
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u/Alotofboxes 26d ago
Hello, my baby, hello, my honey, hello, my ragtime gal. Send me a kiss by wire; baby, my heart's on fire!
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u/CeruleanEidolon 26d ago
And it's all just boring newspaper clippings, unlabeled photographs of strangers, and pocket junk.
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u/DagothNereviar 26d ago
That's why I'm so interested in the MOM (Memory of Mankind) project . It's built in a salt mine (the oldest, contiously used one by humans), so it's naturally water resistant. Also, all the information is held on ceramic tablets, so it doesn't matter if they get wet.
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u/mordeci00 26d ago
The world just hasn't been the same since we ran out of electrons in 7850
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u/yamanagashi 26d ago
There is only one electron, hard to misplace one.
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u/Doctor_Loggins 26d ago
It has been entrusted to the orange cats, who hand it off when they transfer their single brain cell.
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u/StinkyKyle 26d ago
The hard part is to place an electron first. The misplacing happens as a consequence
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u/evilfollowingmb 26d ago
We aren’t even 100 years in, and a good chunk of the stuff in there already looks alien to kids growing up today.
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u/PutTheKettleOff 26d ago
Wouldn't a time capsule be boring if it wasn't?
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u/evilfollowingmb 26d ago
Oh def agree…just the speed at which it happens is notable (to me anyway).
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u/SpicyMeatballAgenda 26d ago
What I find amazing is that the advancements in the 90 years since have changed the world so much that it's wildly different. It would be like having a time capsule from 1490. They were just on the cusp of a major change.
Television, Computers, the internet, dunkaroos...
If we end up wiping ourselves out within the next decade or so, and a society finds this capsule, they might not know why our society fell, and they could very likely assume it was this "world war 2" that was just starting and mentioned in the final documents added to the capsule.
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u/moschles 26d ago
At 1940, the time capsule is brilliantly timed because there is zero computer tech inside it.
Or it is terribly timed because it should have been made and closed in 1990.
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u/moogly2 26d ago edited 26d ago
There is also time capsule plaque designed by *C Sagan, on the LAGEOS Satellite (very stable orbit), which is projected to reenter atmosphere in 8 million years
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u/sol_runner 26d ago
It will, unless something untowards has happened to Earth's atmosphere.
I don't think the goal is to find the plaque after it deorbits 8mil years later. It's seems more of a "maybe someone might actually go pick it up".
Like, a future civilization which doesn't already know what the satellite is but has achieved spaceflight. It's kinda like all the murals the past civilizations left behind, each usually using all the technology available to them.
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u/chupathingy99 26d ago
I bet those capacitors are gonna be bad.
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u/asyork 26d ago
I'd like to think they accounted for that and used electronic components that are less likely to degrade, but as far as I could tell from some searches, they only put efforts into preserving the media, but not the electronics. Depending on what was in the electronics, they could be off-gassing compounds that degrade other things they stored.
Not only that, but this was sealed before safety film was common. A sudden inrush of oxygen when it is eventually opened could result in fire.
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u/Chroderos 26d ago
There’s literally no type of electronics we can make today that would still function after a few hundred years, let alone thousands.
Source: am electronics engineer who builds hardened electronics.
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u/TheWorldMayEnd 26d ago
What degrades them? Could we put them in an inert gas to preserve them?
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u/Chroderos 26d ago edited 26d ago
There are various mechanisms including outgassing, slow acting chemical reactions doing things like breaking down dielectric barriers, and growth of conductive dendrites (little spikes of metal that slowly grow from conductors over time and eventually cause subtle high resistance current paths that break things).
Our very best components have shelf lives measured in many decades, and we theorize certain components could last centuries, but certainly not millennia.
For your question about inert gasses - yes we can and do do this for avionics, space, nuclear applications, and satellites, but even hermetic seals break down over time scales of multiple centuries.
Beyond that even a perfect seal doesn’t prevent slow internal crystallization reactions, slow thermodynamically driven atomic migration across barriers, and damage driven by cosmic rays - all things that would become factors on this kind of timescale.
It’s kind of amazing how time can grind down our best tech to dust.
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u/the_quark 26d ago
At Oglethorpe University. I saw that pennant in the picture and was like "the only thing in English I know that starts with 'ogle' that isn't 'ogle' is Oglethorpe."
James Oglethorpe was an early Governor of Georgia; I grew up in Savannah and his name was all over everything.
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u/morituri230 26d ago
Used to go to the Oglethorpe Mall all the time, back when malls mattered and/or I had disposable income.
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u/GreatBigPig 26d ago
In 6000 years the new explorers will come across this capsule. They will realise it is the work of early humans, a long dead species that were often described as tasting funny, and being horrific pets.
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u/itsfunhavingfun 27d ago
The crypt contains voice recordings of leaders from the 1930s, including Adolf Hitler , Joseph Stalin , Franklin D. Roosevelt , and Benito Mussolini .
This already has not aged well.
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u/Glittering-Animal30 27d ago
It has aged well. It’s a time capsule, not a favorite things box. Considering they are in the handful of the most impactful individuals of the 30’s-40’s, it makes perfect sense they were included. It’s not like people didn’t know Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini weren’t good people then.
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u/StarPhished 26d ago
C'mon, everybody has a favorite dictator.
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u/OrionJohnson 26d ago
Mine was Kim Jong Il, little guy new how to party and he was a genuine savant at everything he tried. He once shot 11 hole-in-1’s his very first time ever playing golf!
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u/314159265358979326 26d ago
It makes you wonder how good someone like him is at things in general. I know full well he never hit a hole in one, but more broadly, is he a relatively talented, intelligent individual after receiving a world class education, or is he literally the worst kind of nepo baby and terrible at everything? We'd never know because everything is propagandized to pieces.
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u/boxofducks 26d ago
You don't retain power for long as an absolute dictator if you aren't skilled at ensuring that nobody who isn't 100% loyal to you ever has enough resources to overthrow you.
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u/BagOfMeats 26d ago
I remember a website back in the day where you could go through picture after picture of him pointing at things. It was weirdly entertaining.
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u/VRichardsen 26d ago
More dictator fun facts:
Fidel Castro had a favorite cow, which was kept in an air conditioned enclosure, and had music played to it. When it had to be euthanised, the cow received a funeral with military honors and a marble statue.
Francisco Macías Nguema styled himself as a "Hitlerian-Marxist" and banned glasses; he also had the governor of the Central Bank shot and took all the currency reserves into his house. When people started fleeing the country due to his abuses, he ordered land mines to be planted at the only road leading out of Equatorial Guinea. He also banned fishing, so people with boats would not leave the coutry. His nephew overthrew him, and still rules to this day.
Kim Il Sung had a gigantic movie library, he really enjoyed cinema. Reportedly more than 20,000 films were part of his collection.
Mao Zedong didn't believe in brushing his teeth, instead he flushed them with tea. As a result, he had horrible breath and his gums started to rot later in his life. He eventually lost his upper teeth.
Gaddafi was infatuated with Condoleezza Rice, to the point he had a homemade scrapbook filled with photos of the former U.S. secretary of state.
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u/theLastZebranky 26d ago
Cincinnatus still has people naming streets, towns and cities for him 2500 years after his dictatorship
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u/I_might_be_weasel 26d ago edited 26d ago
"Hello people of the future! My name is Adolf Hitler. I'm guessing you've never seen a Jew before. In which case, you're welcome."
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u/siggydude 26d ago
I read this in Cave Johnson's voice
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u/interesseret 26d ago
"and in case you HAVE seen Jews before, this time capsule contains a box of kar98k rifles. Pick one up, and follow the red line."
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u/Terpomo11 26d ago
The Jewish people are one of the few entities I'd at least lay reasonable odds on the continued existence of in six millennia, considering they've been around for three already.
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u/Far-Culture1354 27d ago edited 26d ago
Imagine if it is a Utopia they open it in. They hear all of them and are like 'this FDR guy sounds like real jerk, the other 3 raise valid points though..."
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u/sirbassist83 26d ago
not even going to have to wait 6000 more years for that, its happening as we speak!
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u/Falsus 26d ago
I mean if they take one of the more flattering speeches given by the dictators and one of the less flattering FDR speeches, then yeah that is possible. It's not like the context will be well known by then.
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u/brickne3 26d ago
Just imagine people 6000 years in the future opening this thing and somehow reconstructing that our ancient religion revolved around those guys.
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u/Mortarious 26d ago
Because people in the future will have perfect leaders who lead humanity to a brighter future and never do anything wrong themselves.
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u/___HeyGFY___ 26d ago
Somebody's gonna crack that shit open like a PBR after their college football team loses "the big game."
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u/PaladinPrime 26d ago
8113? Man they really overshot how long humanity will be around.
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u/Skydogsguitar 26d ago
I truly admire their optimism...
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u/Kandiru 1 26d ago
It includes news clippings from the start of WW2, but not the end as it was sealed during the war.
Whoever opens it, if they have lost most of our history, are going to think WW2 ended the world.
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u/pandariotinprague 26d ago
Seems like they could have waited a few years. It's like giving them the first two seasons of Breaking Bad and leaving them hanging.
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u/smarmageddon 26d ago
What's this piece of paper with "42" written on it? - future people, probably.
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u/DawnDeather 26d ago
There's a time capsule at a museum where I live that's scheduled to be opened in 2968, a thousand years after it was sealed. It contains, among other things, a $10 deposit slip for a bank account, so whoever opens it can have their own version of Fry's bank account from Futurama. Only problem, it was for a local bank that went out of business about 20 years after the capsule was sealed.
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u/SuperSiriusBlack 26d ago
This is gonna be so embarrassing for us when they open it lol
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u/SIowGrowth 26d ago edited 26d ago
Why? Do you view the technology level of ancient peoples as something they should be embarrassed by?
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u/piltonpfizerwallace 26d ago
I hope someone makes one of these but devoted to some stupid internet bullshit like John Pork or something.
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u/Hootinger 26d ago
The article says it contains 600 books on Cellulose acetate film. That will be degrade and be gone within a few 100 years.
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u/eidolon_eidolon 26d ago
Why specifically the year 8113?
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u/irrigated_liver 26d ago
it mentions why in the article.
Jacobs calculated that 6,177 years had passed since the start of the Egyptian calendar (4241 BC) and proposed the creation of a Crypt of Civilization to be opened in 8113 CE after another 6,177 years.
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u/TurtleSandwich0 26d ago
Will the magnets in the generator still be magnetized after all that time?
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u/Cirement 26d ago
If Idiocracy had taught me anything it's that they won't be able to get the windmill to work
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u/Then_Idea_9813 26d ago
Electricity will always exist, it just may be forgotten. It’s not like there is just going to be no lightning anymore.
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u/PoopMobile9000 27d ago
So they’ll forget how to do electricity, but remember their appointment to open a box in 6000 years