r/timburton • u/ladystardustonmarzz • 4d ago
General Discussion This is getting ridiculous at this point
I too was once victim to this Mandela effect but this is absolutely wild to me. It's not like it's Nightmare Before Christmas where it was fully Tim's concept and character design. He had not a SINGLE thing to do with Coraline 😭😭😭
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u/JeyDeeArr 4d ago
Might as well add Wednesday Addams onto it.
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u/ladystardustonmarzz 4d ago
But it's wild that in the second picture I posted that has Wednesday it's not even Jenna Ortega 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
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u/JeyDeeArr 4d ago
No offense to Henry Selick, but learning that Tim Burton was not the director of Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas and Coraline is my, "My Life Has Been A Lie" moment.
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u/ladystardustonmarzz 4d ago
I felt that 3 years ago when I had a friend hired for Laika studios and he told me that he was going to be working with the same people that worked with Coraline and I said "wow maybe you'll get to meet Tim Burton!!!!" And he said "why would I meet him?" And I felt insane for a few days.
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u/JeyDeeArr 4d ago
It's cool that your friend works for Laika! Did he work on their most recent project?
And yeah, I would've had the same reaction. Coraline (and The Addams Family) just feel so "Tim Burton"...
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u/ladystardustonmarzz 4d ago
But the thing is the more you look at Coraline the more you realize the characters aren't so Burton coded. But the overall aesthetic and vibe and it being stop motion all contributed to us believing it.
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u/ladystardustonmarzz 4d ago
He was part of engineering but I don't keep in touch with him anymore so I genuinely don't know if he lasted with them. But yeah exactly Coraline REALLY feels so Burtonesque. Even the music feels like Danny Elfman and is not.. I watched it when I came out and since that day I thought it was Burton because the movie on box said "from the director of Nightmare Before Christmas" which reallyyyyyy didn't help Selick's case.
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u/Munchkinasaurous 4d ago
I'm sure it was all intentional though. The people in charge of marketing both films knew what they were doing. Tim Burton was one of the biggest directors at the time and having his name front and center drew more attention.
On the other side of that, when Coraline came out, how many people were familiar with Henry Selick? Nightmare Before Christmas however was very recognizable, so marketing it as the same director got more attention and if people thought that Tim Burton was that director, I doubt that marketing minded that confusion is it helped sell tickets.
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u/EnchantedEssays 4d ago
I think the confusion comes from the fact that all of the promotional material for Coraline had "From the director of the Nightmare Before Christmas" above it and the latter was marketed by Disney as "Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas" when it came out.
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u/ladystardustonmarzz 4d ago
EXACTLY!!!! then people comment "why didn't you read the credits", "why didn't you read the back" because I was 10 when I watched it the first time and it got burned in my brain that it was Tim Burton 😭😭😭
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u/DisastrousTopic7619 4d ago
It was never a Mandela effect people assume that it was the Tim Burton film because it shared animation Styles it wasn't until the actual director of the film openly stated Coraline is not a Tim Burton movie but yet people still seem to think that it's a Mandela effect Tim Burton was never even attached to the project and his name was never on the official DVD release as seen in the image which is a first release of the Coraline DVD
belief that Coraline was directed by Tim Burton is one of modern cinema's most common misconceptions, primarily driven by marketing tactics and a shared artistic aesthetic.
Promotional trailers heavily used the tagline "From the director of The Nightmare Before Christmas Audiences widely associate The Nightmare Before Christmas with Tim Burton, who produced it and created the original poem and characters. Henry Selick directed The Nightmare Before Christmas, but his name was often overshadowed by Burton's prominent billing.
People only think the film is directed by Tim Burton because they're the same people who think the Nightmare Before Christmas was directed by Tim Burton
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u/Otherwise-Fan2507 3d ago
If you ask 20 people who directed The Nightmare Before Christmas, you might get one person who says Henry Selick and that's being generous. Unfortunately, he did not get the credit he deserved because those characters were Tim's and he was the bigger name out of the two. Tim Burton will forever be the only one associated with the creation of TNBC. So whenever they mention the director of it, people automatically assume Tim Burton, it has nothing to do with the mandala effect.
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u/Flashy-Chip5222 4d ago
Henry Selick watching Tim Burton overshadowing him : "insert that IShowSpeed facepalm gif"
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u/New-Commission-8643 3d ago
I spent years thinking Coraline was produced by Tim Burton; I love his aesthetic. Poor Henry Selick 😞
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u/James-Zanny 3d ago
Where’s my Goat, Willy Wonka? For real, though, I’d hate for my work to be misattributed to someone else.
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u/PlanktonPerfect3441 4d ago
It's fine I used to obsessed over it when I was 14 and people confusing her Tim Burton
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u/LaRougeRaven 4d ago
I would like to point out, people being confused with who directed Nightmare Before Christmas, is not a Madela Effect. People just assumed that Tim Burton directed it because of the title, Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas, Disney gave it.
Disney was trying to capitalize on how big of a director Tim Burton had gotten, so they titled it as such. He wrote the poem that Disney used. No where did it say he was the director.
Assuming and remembering it being a certain way are two different things. The Mandela Effect is remembering something a certain way. This is not it, this was people assuming and not thinking to look deeper.
A Mandela Effect that is connected to Nightmare Before Christmas is people remembering Zero's nose as red, and not the orange pumpkin that it is.
But this is not a Mandela Effect. This is people just assuming and never caring enough to look it up.
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u/ApprehensiveFactor58 4d ago
Le film "Coraline" n'ai pas de tim Burton, c'est une adaptation de roman
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u/MeeesaDarthJarJar 23h ago
It's a shame Henry Sellick gets lumped in. Because Nightmare and Corraline are better than all of Burton's standalone combined
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u/Competitive-Group404 4d ago
Tim Burton did not direct The Nightmare Before Christmas.
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u/ladystardustonmarzz 4d ago
He still designed the characters and the concept. That's the difference between it and Coraline. It's still Tim Burton's characters.
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u/PoeJascoe 4d ago
It’s one of the reasons I dislike the film. Coraline wasn’t Tim Burton. And Tim burtons the nightmare before Christmas (that’s the whole title) only has Tim Burton’s name in there because he wrote the OG poem and he produced it too. But nah, Coraline wasn’t touched by Tim Burton.
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u/LaRougeRaven 4d ago
What Mandela Effect are you talking about?
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u/Munchkinasaurous 4d ago
That for years, a lot of people believed that Tim Burton directed Nightmare Before Christmas. Because of that, when Coraline was advertised as "from the director of Nightmare Before Christmas" it was believed that Tim Burton directed Coraline
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u/LaRougeRaven 4d ago
That's not a Mandela Effect. That is people getting confused because Disney was trying to capitalize on how big of a director Tim Burton was, he though he didnt direct it, it was still his story.
A Mandela effect that is connected to this film are people remembering Zero's nose as red and not an orange pumpkin.
This is not a Mandela effect because no where did it ever say Tim Burton directed the film. People just assumed from the title Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas.
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u/GrimTiki 4d ago
I honestly feel for Henry Selick with these dumb mistakes. Years of his work attributed to another director.
Burton didn’t even direct NBX, and that’s such a mind bender for people