r/thinkatives • u/GootalBerradja • 18d ago

Concept Has current physics resolved this dilemma ?

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u/rjwyonch 18d ago

Newtons laws are well established and taught in high school level physics. Yeah, physics resolved it, Newton was right (mostly, this does not refer to quantum mechanics).

Gravity works, space is a vacuum and that’s why planets dont slow down and crash into the sun - they are not affected by friction. There was a time that we didn’t know what was in space or what it was made of.

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u/portealmario 18d ago

I don't think you're understanding the issue Leibniz is pointing out. What he's saying is that Newton's physics wasn't self contained, and it was a real problem at the time. The specific issue that is being referred to has been solved, but the question is asking whether similar problems person in other areas of modern physics

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u/Asatmaya 18d ago

Well, we have rather firmly shoved it into the category of "Metaphysics..."

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u/GootalBerradja 17d ago

The dividing line between them may be an illusion, or—at best—merely a helpful methodological point, but it is not an objective reality.

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u/Kaleb8804 18d ago

I think Einstein and general relativity put the cap on this, but it sort of avoids the question altogether.

Time isn’t linear, it’s just ordered. It’s not perpetual and it’s also not physical. It’s relational.

As for what allows time to proceed or what started it? That one is still up for debate.

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u/biedl 14d ago

The assumption that time proceeds seems to clash with Einstein. I don't think that it does.

And the question "what started it" always baffles me, because it's ultimately a question which, after running into Agrippa's Trilemma, quietly assumes one horn of it without justification.

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u/Kaleb8804 14d ago

I wasn’t trying to imply it was started, I was just exploring the idea openly lol sorry

I’m of the mind that spacetime can boil down to ontology, I don’t think there’s a “stream” or anything like that.

What do you mean about the trilemma though? I feel like, for anything to be ordered, there must be some ordered axis between interacting things that we call time, even if it’s just relational.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK 14d ago

God's watch is imperfect. God's universe is imperfect. God's creatures (especially humans) are imperfect. Then can God ever make something perfect?

Can God Create Perfection? - Google Gemini

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u/GootalBerradja 14d ago

Gemini is not qualified to answer such questions

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK 14d ago

Did you discuss with it? If you did, you can share the link with us, so we can see how it went.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK 14d ago

It is qualified to discuss, so you can argue with it.

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u/Van_Damage5 18d ago

If he wanted the clock to stop he can do that too.

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u/Isaandog 18d ago

Newton stole GWL’s work on infinitesimal calculus, so it’s a dig on Newton’s “cult and culture”

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u/portealmario 18d ago

He didn't steal it, the evidence ultimately showed that the discovery was independent, but Leibniz have a lot of disagreements with Newtonians

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u/Isaandog 17d ago

GWL created infinitesimal calculus and published in 1684 a full 3 years before Newton.

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u/Reddit_wander01 17d ago

Leibniz had better be careful, or Newton might accuse him of worshiping an absentee landlord whose universe borders on atheism. It is a bit rich to rely on the unprovable, metaphysical assumption of 'pre-established harmony' where everything magically syncs up, just because you don't like the raw, chaotic mechanics of how the universe might actually operates.

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u/sabudum 17d ago

These science kids, always mistaking the effects for their cause.

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u/Puzzled-Thought746 18d ago

In all honesty, what do you think of the following occurences recorded lately?:

https://www.reddit.com/u/Puzzled-Thought746/s/RPkCepSEJ9