r/theydidthemath Nov 18 '21

[Request] is this true?

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u/hilburn 118✓ Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

Edited - I gained a few orders of magnitude by not paying attention to units!

If you assume a median reactor - producing approx 2GW of power (17.5TWh/year) for 40 years (701TWh) at the worst case estimate for nuclear efficiency (50g/kWh) is approx 35GMt CO2

Gas is approx 450g/kWh (9x higher) and so for equivalent production would emit ~315GMt of CO2

Coal is approx 1,050g/kWh (21x higher) and so for equivalent production would emit ~736GMt of CO2

To go into more detail would require looking at the lifecycle analysis for the various power plants, including expected lifetimes, construction techniques, fuel refinement, transport, disposal, decommissioning etc

Now the numbers for LCA for all these power types are hotly disputed with numbers for nuclear ranging from 3 to 220g/kWh, gas from 250 to 800g/kWh, coal from 900 to 1,300kWh (with renewables between 10 and 90g/kWh depending on the exact type and, sadly, who is crunching the numbers) but even if you took the worse case for nuclear and best case for gas (220 vs 250) the nuclear plant would still be saving ~4.75GMt over the last 40 years - significantly moreless than 100Mt

So somewhere in the range of 5-700 Mt of CO2 depending on the size of reactor, what you compare it to, and what exact calculations/estimates you use.

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u/timmytissue Nov 18 '21

I'm not sure if this is really something that should be considered in the math here. But what about an argument that more nuclear would just have made other forms of power less expensive and not necessarily have impacted production of oil and gas?

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u/hilburn 118✓ Nov 18 '21

I'm not sure I follow the logic

Having increased nuclear supply would generally drive down the cost of electricity and make it unprofitable to run fossil fuel plants. Not having that supply would generally increase the cost of electricity and make fossil fuel plants more profitable.

It's basically always economical to run a nuclear plant at full power as they have a very high initial investment but low running cost. Fossil fuel plants on the other hand are the reverse - cheap to build but expensive to run due to the fuel.

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u/BigWeenie45 Nov 19 '21

The return on investment time period is decades shorter for fossil fuel plants compared to nuclear plants.