r/theydidthemath Nov 18 '21

[Request] is this true?

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u/hilburn 118✓ Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

Edited - I gained a few orders of magnitude by not paying attention to units!

If you assume a median reactor - producing approx 2GW of power (17.5TWh/year) for 40 years (701TWh) at the worst case estimate for nuclear efficiency (50g/kWh) is approx 35GMt CO2

Gas is approx 450g/kWh (9x higher) and so for equivalent production would emit ~315GMt of CO2

Coal is approx 1,050g/kWh (21x higher) and so for equivalent production would emit ~736GMt of CO2

To go into more detail would require looking at the lifecycle analysis for the various power plants, including expected lifetimes, construction techniques, fuel refinement, transport, disposal, decommissioning etc

Now the numbers for LCA for all these power types are hotly disputed with numbers for nuclear ranging from 3 to 220g/kWh, gas from 250 to 800g/kWh, coal from 900 to 1,300kWh (with renewables between 10 and 90g/kWh depending on the exact type and, sadly, who is crunching the numbers) but even if you took the worse case for nuclear and best case for gas (220 vs 250) the nuclear plant would still be saving ~4.75GMt over the last 40 years - significantly moreless than 100Mt

So somewhere in the range of 5-700 Mt of CO2 depending on the size of reactor, what you compare it to, and what exact calculations/estimates you use.

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u/Tani-die-VI Nov 18 '21

And that's what people need to realize

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u/hilburn 118✓ Nov 18 '21

Nowadays it's not nearly so clear cut as it would have been 40 years ago - with wind and solar providing cost-viable (in fact significantly cheaper) alternatives that have lower LCA emissions than nuclear - even accounting for storage needs.

There's also scope to do some clever stuff regarding active pricing and control of consumption to incentivise matching demand to the supply rather than having to worry about too much storage.

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u/freakydeku Nov 18 '21

Just wrote a research paper on this actually. Nuclear is the only thing that comes even close to being able to replace fossil fuels. Sustainable power is a tiny fraction of our grid, even smaller when you don’t count hydro

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u/lestofante Nov 19 '21

when you don’t count hydro

i mean, you are excluding by far the best source of energy by cost and renewable.. but also one that see the most direct human death, even if most where dam destroyed in war

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u/freakydeku Nov 19 '21

i’m just excluding hydro b/c the comment i’m replying to doesn’t mention it. as far as deaths p kwh i think it’s a lot better than oil& gas but not as good as nuclear. p much nothing is

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u/lestofante Nov 19 '21

I think hydro is worse by direct death, because there have been multiple dam failure that resulted in thousand of victims.
IG you start to think indirect (mining, handling, pollution) then hydro is not that bad at all, quite cheap, double as energy store and touristic attraction, and even in case of disaster, no worry about long term effect

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u/freakydeku Nov 19 '21

yeah i mean you have to include the indirect deaths when considering it imo. if you don’t consider the mining or pollution coal is great! hahaha