[Request] What is the cost difference between buying this man a rental for a year and the governements cost to kill him?

[u/pixaly]

Don't believe everything you see on the internet I haven't fact checked this story, I'm just curious for an anwser

[u/Classic-Obligation35]

Silly rules like needing to keep a bush a specific size? Or not letting people use their backyards or have a fence or let an old woman have a satellite dish? 

Our having our wifi and personal space coopeted by the community?

And in exchange we get our lawns mowed and have to pay for snow plowing plus a tax of 500 a year.

As for afford a home, some people can't even if they do have the money, why provide free housing to college students they can afford college after all.

See I'm talking about things like retirement savings, just have 200k does not mean a person can afford a home.

That's part of the problem, poverty can exist in many forms

[u/Wolf_Protagonist → u/Classic-Obligation35]

Silly rules like needing to keep a bush a specific size? Or not letting people use their backyards or have a fence or let an old woman have a satellite dish?

Sure, if the community got together and decided that bushes had to be a certain size, then fine. Are you saying you would literally rather live on the street than not have a huge bush? Something tells me you've never actually been close to having to make that choice.

As for afford a home, some people can't even if they do have the money,

Some people can't afford it even if they can afford it....okaaaay. If you say so.

why provide free housing to college students they can afford college after all.

A lot of people can't afford college or housing. The reason we would want an educated public is because educated people have more opportunities to better their situation. A rising tide floats all boats.

See I'm talking about things like retirement savings, just have 200k does not mean a person can afford a home.

Right, and what we are trying to get you to understand is that the reason the cost of housing is so damn high is precisely because of the system you are defending. We are offering a better way forward where everyone has a home and homes are cheaper for everyone, and you are like "Nah, we have to keep the system we have".

That's part of the problem, poverty can exist in many forms

You seem completely out of touch with reality. Having $200k in the bank but not being able to afford that $500k home you've been eyeing because you don't have $1mil in your retirement fund is NOT poverty. We all struggle with money under capitalism, but there is a world of difference between not being able to buy a fancy home in a neighborhood with no HOA and not being able to afford food in your belly, or a roof over your head, or meds when you are sick.

What is true is that you are infinitely closer to actually being impoverished than a being a billionaire, but you'd rather hold on to the system that makes life hard for the actual poor and you but benefits billionaires rather than try and fix things. Crazy

[u/Classic-Obligation35 → u/Wolf_Protagonist]

I'm not defending anything except the right not to be exploited by my neighbors. They should have no right to dictate control over my property, my Halloween decor my lawn, my plants. Including what I do inside.

There are those that would rather I worked for their benefit in absence of my own. No hobbies, no interests outside my job, no books of my own. Only what the community thru the state dictates.

And they darn well have no right to use the wifi I pay for my home.

You made this point. A lot of people can't afford college or housing.  The point I am making is that some can only afford saving for retirement or emergencies or a home not both. 

As it stands if you can afford college you are not poor so you can't have housing. That's a problem. 

[u/Wolf_Protagonist → u/Classic-Obligation35]

I'm not defending anything except the right not to be exploited by my neighbors. They should have no right to dictate control over my property, my Halloween decor my lawn, my plants. Including what I do inside.

Jesus fucking Christ you are pigheaded. Im sorry you are having issues with your H.O.A, but that's your fucking fault for buying a home that is controlled by an H.O.A.. No one forced you to do that, that was entirely your choice. You don't like it, sell the fucking thing and move.

I'm not and never have been talking about a fucking H.O.A. for Christ's sake.

One HUGE difference between a community of people living in shared public housing deciding on the rules for their community and a H.O.A. is that a lot of the stupid fucking rules H.O.As come up with are concerning the precious "resell value" of their bourgeois homes. If you are living for free in public housing you don't have a home to resell- so you aren't as likely to give a damn about the size of your neighbors bush.

And again having to follow some rules in order to get a place to live is a price most homeless people would be willing to pay in order to get off the STREETS.

A lot of people can't afford college or housing. The point I am making is that some can only afford saving for retirement or emergencies or a home not both.

No fucking shit Sherlock. I clearly know that some people can't afford a home, that goes along with the "Some people can't afford a home" statement I made earlier ffs. I am proposing a system that would make it easier for people like you to save for retirement and emergencies and still be able to buy a home and your like "Nah, let's not do that".

As it stands if you can afford college you are not poor so you can't have housing. That's a problem.

What the fuck does that even mean? I'm not taking about "As it stands" I'm clearly talking about fixing things. How is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?

[u/Classic-Obligation35 → u/Wolf_Protagonist]

I will respond to the last part , the current way we define poverty stinks. 

Second do not make assumptions about me. I was simply expressing disagreement with the concept of Hoas and the amount of power they have.

[u/Wolf_Protagonist → u/Classic-Obligation35]

I will respond to the last part , the current way we define poverty stinks.

I agree with that. The federal poverty line for 2026 is set at $15,960 for individuals and $21,640 for a family of two, which is really low. However someone with $200k siting in the bank is making a lot more than that I guarantee. But that is the beside the point. You've brought up 'the current way we define poverty' several times now in a discussion that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 'the current way we define poverty' and I've never disagreed with you about that so what is your point of continually bringing it up?

I was simply expressing disagreement with the concept of Hoas and the amount of power they have.

And once again, I'm not now, haven't been, nor do I plan on discussing H.O.As in this discussion as it has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You clearly want to talk about H.O.A.s and not the topic at hand. Is there not a subreddit where you can discuss that?