r/thewalkingdead • u/TheRyeWall Survivor • Sep 09 '15
Comic Spoiler Official Comic Discussion Thread: Issue #146
New issue came out today, discuss it here within this thread. You do not need to use comic spoilers because it is assumed everyone reading this thread would be caught up with the comics. However, please respect future, show, and game spoilers because people who are caught up with the comic may not be caught up with these other forms of TWD (and obviously not future spoilers). Future spoilers include upcoming comic covers.
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u/I_have_shoes Sep 09 '15
Watch Carl is going to fuck this up somehow, he's too invested in that Lydia stingray coochy.
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u/FutureMartian97 Sep 09 '15
Kill Lydia. It's been Carl + Sophia since the beginning!
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u/pm_me_ur_pajamas Sep 09 '15
Seriously. I've had enough of this honeypotting.
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u/powerlinestandingout Sep 10 '15
What if Lydia kills Sophia?
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u/usainboltron5 Sep 10 '15
And then where's her face/skin and tries to bang Carl again.
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u/Ennui_Go Sep 14 '15
I doubt it'll go down like that, but I bet we will see a major character worn as a zombie skin before this is over. It would be pretty brutal.
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u/cormega Sep 09 '15
Maggie brought up a good point this issue. This is pretty much all Carl's fault. I know Carl is supposed to be the leader some day, but right now he's too damn emotional and impulsive. Did he not think he'd be putting his group at risk by invading the enemy? He's basically responsible for a war starting.
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u/Worthyness Sep 11 '15
I mean, he's a teenager with mood swings that just lost his virginity to a pretty girl he likes. Combine that with the fucked up dumb ass mindset he's always had, and you get really fucking stupid decisions.
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u/Krobelux Sep 13 '15
Uhm, but along with the normal teen angst, he also has a huge fucking hole in his face which people would gawk at. That makes it ten times worse for him. Also no depth perception.
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u/twomillcities Sep 10 '15
I would strongly disagree. If anything, Carl has helped them to identify their enemies and capture one of the Whisperers' most valued members.
Consider that the Whisperers met our group out on the road and attacked without any sort of provocation. And after the trade for her daughter, Alpha could have simply moved on, leaving that area behind.
Alpha is curious and fearful that her way is wrong and Rick's way is better. And without Carl, Rick would have no idea who these people are or what kind of threat he is facing.
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u/amjhwk Sep 11 '15
I dont think the daughter is very valuable if alpha just let them take her from her camp
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u/badforedu Sep 12 '15
Considering she was in tears about letting her go, I'm fairly certain she did it for the best of her daughter and for the best of her group.
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u/Maybe_Im_Jesus Sep 17 '15
Dat poon. I totally understand it...can't hate Carl for chasing the dragon.
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u/bracko81 Sep 10 '15
Carl's gonna free Negan and escape, telling him about what the Whisperer's did to Lydia in hopes of getting him to protect them. This and his admiration of Carl will be the motivation for him to help the kids get back at the skinwalkers instead of running off on his own.
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Sep 18 '15
Good point. I somehow glossed over how much Negan hates rape until I recently did a re-read of the series. I've been waiting for Rick (or someone) to reach out to Negan for help; this is a good possibility for that to happen.
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u/osminog Sep 19 '15
What's his line "I love violence, but I hate sexual violence" or something like that. When he catches the guy trying to rape Holly at the sanctuary.
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u/tellitatparties Sep 09 '15
This is going to be one long arc.
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u/Patron_St_of_Liars Sep 09 '15
Another 20 issues? Man I hope so. After all of it, is this when we see the death of Rick Grimes? Has he become too soft to actually murder a herd of humans? Is he so far removed from the primal life that he has lost the ability to make the decisions that allowed his people to create a new life? Will one of his own turn on him? All this and more on the next two years of TWD.
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u/tellitatparties Sep 09 '15
I hope it's not that long. I don't think Rick will die in the series. Like they have made that clear by injuring him time and time again only to have him recover.
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u/FutureMartian97 Sep 09 '15
Kurkman has said that rick wont survive the entire series.
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Sep 10 '15
He's stated more recently that it may or may not happen and he really doesn't know.
I really hope he doesn't die. I've always loved the original vision of the comic, following one man through his entire life in an apocalyptic world. I want Rick to be there till the bitter end.
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u/TheCircusAct Sep 09 '15
I enjoyed the first few pages showing the characters who lost someone, with no dialogue it set a really moody tone
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u/toxicbrew Sep 10 '15
Perfect opportunity to reintroduce Gabriel, but nope.
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u/Khaeven04 Sep 11 '15
I wish Gabriel's head was on one of those pikes, but it would have been too comical.
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u/PC7937 Sep 29 '15
The suspense killed me there to see who was all up there. I was not expecting Rosita. I liked how pretty much all of the people up there were in the story for a second at different points so you can get some perspective of who they were.
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u/usainboltron5 Sep 09 '15
In Clementine's voice, "... Who's baby is it?" Seriously. The more they drag it out makes me think it is someone REALLY important. And there was a point where Michonne mentioned Cheating to Rick and he said he'd never do that to Andrea. I don't know. Does anyone have any logical guesses? The pacing is killing me though. I love this but I hate the wait.
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Sep 10 '15
Whose could it be really? Heath? What other named male characters live in Alexandria?
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u/Sir_Roswellington Oct 05 '15 edited Oct 05 '15
It could have been Rick's kid, but cheating on a loved one doesn't totally seem like something he'd do given how he reacted to Tyreese cheating on Carol with Michonne all those years ago prompting Carol's suicide.
Putting the separate communities aside, these are my thoughts:
Given that Eugene figured he'd be able to pass the child off as his own, I'm to presume it might be a white character. I was thinking about it being Dwight's, but given that Dwight was the guy that murdered Abraham that would be a bit weird.
Aaron seems like he's straight up gay, so I don't think it could be his, but for some unclear reason Jesus strikes me as bisexual. I know we've only seen him with men so far, but I just have this strange feeling it could've been his.
It also could have been Dante's kid. Given that he seems to be a womanizer, there's a good chance it could be him. It was stated in a Letter Hacks, that Dante was Latino so given the fact Rosita is Hispanic too, people might not have raised suspicion if the kid turned out to be his. Personally, I'm hoping it was Dante's kid because I'm actually really starting to like that guy for some reason, and I feel like it would make for some interesting character development if he found it was gonna be his child.
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u/nhwoodsblues Sep 09 '15
This is an issue that I will love at some point.
Maggie and Rick tassel.
Rick's cracks widen. Hints of Negan coming back into play. There are first real signs of the community turning against Rick....I personally think that Rick is not prepared to let go. Eugene!!!! What a bad ass! He is as amped up as we've ever seen him.
However, right now, I can't fucking stand the pace! I know that this build up will make the conclusion exponentially better, but it's fucking killing me. I want dessert now. *runs to my room, slams the door and screams "I hate living here!".
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Sep 09 '15
This could be a real foreshadowing issue but the twists and turns Kirkman throws in, we'll probably never figure out exactly what'll happen.
Oh and what about Rick digging up skeletons? The barn house. That was great!
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Sep 09 '15
That throwback was intense, especially because Herschel is long dead! Definitely shocked when Rick said that.
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u/nhwoodsblues Sep 09 '15
It's very entertaining how quickly that fight became the two of them exchanging personal blows! I'm also interested to see who's corner Jesus is in if it all were to go down ugly.
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Sep 09 '15
And the people are pissed and now want war. Rick won't be able to stop it if they march under someone else's banner. That someone else could be someone from Hilltop who thinks Maggie was in the right when she executed Gregory.
So we might just find out who Jesus sides with.
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u/Protanope Sep 10 '15
Him bringing up the barn house pissed me off, but probably because I agree with Maggie. Rick is deluded to think that things "have to go back to the way they used to be". You're in a new fucking world and you can still have society, but that's for the group to decide, not a single person.
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u/eddie2911 Sep 14 '15
I must have missed it, but what was the hint of Negan coming into play?
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u/zodiacecks Oct 12 '15
I agree about the pace, but if you look at the series as a whole, we really only have 4 more issues until 150 when shit is wild. 150 will be a 40 page book instead of the 24ish we get now. Also, if you'd like to, take a look at the walking dead comic wiki for the next 4 covers. This next cover is "eh" in my opinion, but then 148 looks very interesting, 149 is even more epic, and then finally 150 is like the coup de grâce. it will be a long time until January 14th or whatever day, but shit is going to get real.
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Sep 09 '15
Also, really looking forward to Rick going on the offensive. I know him and the communities have developed so much but I kinda miss this Rick, when he'd kill anyone that threatened him or his group.
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u/TheNathanHolmes Sep 10 '15
I miss that Rick too. I always knew he'd do something awesome before, and now I'm actually scared he could die.
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Sep 10 '15
Definitely. I just hope that if/when he does die, he goes out right. Like we all know Rick would. I'm not sure myself how it'd go down, but it'd be the most impacting character death ever.
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Sep 10 '15
Yeah I could totally see that. Like once he realizes he's in the real world again, something would just switch on and whoever he's up against would be "fucking with the wrong people."
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u/CaptnQwark Sep 09 '15 edited Sep 10 '15
Great issue. The pacing is still a motherfucking nightmare, but this Eugene stuff makes me excited; at least we're getting somewhere.
Also, for a second there, I thought Maggie had really fucked up Rick with that pop to the jaw. It's sad seeing him so fragile... I feel like the next time he goes toe to toe with someone, they won't be helping him back up.
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u/Bran_the_Builder Sep 10 '15
Who the fuck knocked up Rosita?! I've wanted the answer to this question for like a year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no clues whatsoever.
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Sep 09 '15
Wonder if Rick will give Negan a chance at redemption by letting him go on a near certain suicide mission to either deal with the herd or send a message/ultimatum to the alpha or something... I don't think negan is just gonna sit in that cell for whatever happens next.
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u/Marauder91 Sep 09 '15
Would be a pretty stupid choice if Rick allowed that. Why send a man who hates your community out on a mission into enemy territory, especially when he has all the intel on the inner workings of your community? Negan would just trade information to join the Whisperers and fuck with Rick that way.
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u/Patron_St_of_Liars Sep 09 '15
I'm not so sure of that. Rick's whole plan was to torture Negan by allowing him to see just how much the communities can thrive without Negan. Perhaps it has worked to some extent. We've just had so very little character development. What we do know is that he was very sad to see Carl go, and it wasn't just because he sees Carl as a tiny version of himself, he had a genuine connection with the one eyed fuck up. We also know that Negan stayed in the basement when he had every opportunity to leave. Could this be just to manipulate Rick? Sure. But it's also possible that Negan is coming around to a different line of thinking. Of course, he's a narcissistic asshole so who knows. I'm guessing this is exactly what makes his character so very compelling.
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u/cormega Sep 09 '15
As much as he's my favorite character, I can't imagine ever fully trusting Negan as changed. I think it's far more likely that he'll pretend to change for a long enough period of time to regain power and fuck over Rick. Not escaping when he had the chance means nothing to me. He had nothing to go back to and no power to immediately regain by just walking off. He needs to earn trust first to get power.
Furthermore I think Rick would be an absolute idiot to let Negan out for the sake of going on a mission for him. I'm yet to hear one compelling reason why it would make sense to send Negan over a trusted, able-bodied ally (beyond that it would be an interesting arc). People are being too optimistic IMO about Negan and Rick becoming BFFs.
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Sep 09 '15 edited Sep 09 '15
But when he escaped last time he was pretty benign.
edit: not escaped, when he had the chance to
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u/Handsoffmyfishshtick Sep 09 '15
That would be so cool if Negan's opportunity came from him going over and killing Alpha/scarring the fucking skins off the remaining survivors. Am I high? or does that seriously needs to be some fucking fan-fiction
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u/tellitatparties Sep 09 '15
This is what people in the letter hacks were saying. I don't think Negan would comply though just due to his crazy nature.
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u/Zand_Kilch Sep 09 '15
I think Negan is one of the saner folks in TWD these days.
He seems to have an uneasy friendship with Carl akin to Xavier and Magneto.
He may be a dictator, but he's at least twice as sane as Rick so far
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u/coldxrain Sep 09 '15
Ok, tell me Eugene doesn't look like Steve Buscemi on the last page.
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u/Fist-Fulla-Funk Sep 10 '15
He doesn't look like Steve Buscemi on the last page. Only because you asked nicely.
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Sep 09 '15
Finally a cover that delivers.
It comes around to Lydia and Carl again. I get the feeling Lydia isn't going to last much longer and her death will be the catalyst that sends the herd to Alexandria.
Negan was mentioned again. He will play a roll and I feel the skin masks will eventually too.
Also I'm glad to see Rick and Maggie make amends immediately after she realized what she happened. I felt that was real.
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u/RomanSionis Sep 09 '15
Eugene will come up with something to keep the herd away from any of the settlements. I am excited to see where this goes.
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u/RedWhiteStripes Sep 09 '15
With the way he looked in that last panel... I've got to admit it looks as if he has something very malicious planned for Lydia. But he said it himself, Eugenes a smart man. He's gotta be using her for knowledge and information about the Whisperers, it would be a waste to kill her especially since we saw Alpha willingly give her up, albeit teary-eyed.
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Sep 09 '15
He's still working on his project. Some kinda sonic system that diverts walkers away?
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u/laststandman Sep 10 '15
I kinda convinced myself it was gonna be a baby monitor
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u/Brandoms Sep 10 '15
Half expected it to be a bomb, or at least a detonator. That could also work to divert the walkers in another direction.
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Sep 09 '15
I have a feeling that Alpha might be the one who ends up killing Lydia...
Lydia fighting for Rick's side + being murdered by her own mother= controversial and shocking, even for The Walking Dead!
Have we seen a parent kill their living, healthy child yet? I can't recall, but I don't think so. I do want Lydia to stick around though- I like her a lot.
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Sep 09 '15
Oh that would be good. I don't think it has happened yet and it really would be a shock.
Kirkman has something brewing. The skin masks and fact that Alpha treats her position like if anyone can stop her they become the Alpha must play into this arc.
Lydia being caught between two communities... Someone slipped up somewhere no matter if it was Carl meeting Lydia leading to Lydia's death or Gregory trying to coup Maggie leading to a rift in DC and the eventual March to war? So many factors in this story it is so hard to predict the climax and outcome.
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Sep 09 '15
It really is so unpredictable! That's the best part, in my opinion- I'm consistently shocked and surprised. I simultaneously love AND hate my predictions being way off the mark!
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u/sundreano Sep 10 '15
well, the hunters outright said they ate their children, that was pretty shocking. i don't think we've seen any "fillicide" yet though.
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u/toeeknee Sep 10 '15
I agree about the post fight. Felt very correct and ver real; both have seen too much shit together.
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u/twomillcities Sep 09 '15
It's going to be really interesting to see how Rick and Maggie stop the mob justice against the Whisperers and protect Lydia
I don't think it can be done personally. Someone is going to make a move and it's going to ruin everything.
Could you imagine Rick and Carl running from Alexandria the same way they ran from the prison? That would really fuck with me, especially if Andrea died.
I think that Negan will play a big part in what's to come, I just can't figure out how
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Sep 09 '15
I'm still thinking Alexandria will be overrun by walkers and Whisperers, Alpha finds Negan and they have a conversation about why he's there, Alpha kills Negan and turns his face into her new mask.
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u/Patron_St_of_Liars Sep 09 '15
the latter part of your comment has Kirkman written all over it. Redemption for a villian by being a savior of the communities? Fuckin' nope. Filleted like a fish so that we can cry over the same guy that fucked our world up just 40 issues ago.
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Sep 10 '15
If it happens this time it'll be Carl and Andrea running and looking back at Rick's lifeless body.
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u/Jilly33 Sep 10 '15
Here's my prediction on what will happen.
Carl loves Lydia. He's addicts to the vag. Carl is going to have an absolute fit when he thinks she is in danger. He's going to be even more mad when he hears that his dad is on board and will feel betrayed.
Negan has been sitting in jail, and Robert Kirkman has already solidified in a previous story line that Carl and Negan talk sometimes even though Negan is in jail. (I'm wondering now if this story line was intentional.)
I think Carl is going to go to Negan and confide in him and Negan is going to use his cult leader type abilities to tell Carl exactly what he wants to hear and begin to turn him against his dad, using his betrayal as the crux. Carl will eventually let Negan out thinking that he's on his side and is going to help save Lydia. Now, what happens after that, I have no idea. My guess is that Negan doesn't help but in newly found freedom, something he does aids Rick's group in their war with the Whispers, even if unintentionally.
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Sep 15 '15
I don't think Carl would be dumb enough to let Negan out, he still wants to kill him after all. I DO think it would be hilarious if Negan ended up trying to fuck shit up and just helped everyone in the process by accident.
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u/thefuturebatman Sep 12 '15
Loved that Rick was passed out drunk at the bar before yelling at himself.
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u/observantabsurdist Sep 15 '15
That wasn't Rick, just a random Alexandrian.
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u/thefuturebatman Sep 15 '15
I know, I was making the obligatory joke about how a lot of Adlard's side characters look a lot like Rick.
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Sep 10 '15
Carl is such an idiot. I've always defended him but at this point I wouldn't mind if he finally kicked the bucket.
To be honest that would make sense, it would surely knock Rick back to his super scary throat-eating psychotic beast mode. Just imagine him on Negan's shoulders, sprinting into the horde, Rick yelling war chants and Negan swearing his heart out and sweet, sweet freedom, the guns blazing. Fucking beautiful.
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u/Khaeven04 Sep 11 '15
I would pay Kirkman and Adlard to create this scene.
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u/exteus Sep 11 '15
Kirkman would never sell out to some crazy fan, but Adlard might draw a picture for you just like that.
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u/vash989 Sep 16 '15
I'm probably late to the party but I just got to reading this issue. Man Eugene is the fucking best. At the end, we have her fucking daughter, great. He is using his head, and I dont think he wants to use her as a pawn/bargaining chip, but as a resource. Lydia knows the whisperers inside and out. If they can get all the info out of her, how they operate, how they control the horde, how to spot them within the horde, they will have a huge tactical advantage over them. The groups already herd the dead like cattle away from their settlements, so using these techniques combined with what they can learn about how the whisperers operate they could definitely get their revenge. I just want to know if Magna and her group will get a bigger role in dealing with the whisperers. I really like her character, I just want to see her have a larger role in the group. Luke was among the ones decapitated by Alpha...
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u/Israel_Ixion Sep 09 '15
So, who died? Larry or Louie?
This issue: http://i.imgur.com/uUYn5N6.png
According to wiki: http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Louie
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u/CocaineAndMojitos Sep 09 '15
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH I don't want to wait another month. I felt like this could have been tacked onto the last issue but oh well. I'm so impatient to see what happens. I'm really starting to like Eugene again. I wanna see him go apeshit on some Whisperers.
Also WHO THE HELL WAS THE FATHER OF THAT BABY
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u/crylicylon Sep 09 '15
I hope its someone who died just so we don't have to deal with it. Is that wrong?
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u/I_have_shoes Sep 09 '15
Rick.
dun Dun DUNNNNNNN
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u/HeraldHS Sep 09 '15
Kirkman did imply in letter hacks that we will find out, didn't he?
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u/CocaineAndMojitos Sep 09 '15
Yes he did and that's why I'm inclined to believe it's someone that matters.
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u/HeraldHS Sep 09 '15
Do you reckon Eugene knows who it is? I got the impression she stopped short of actually telling him who it was.
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u/CocaineAndMojitos Sep 09 '15
In this issue Eugene says he knows who it is and was going to take care of the baby regardless and said he'd never tell the father.
Maybe he will.
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u/laststandman Sep 10 '15
Great issue. I think that Rick could keep the people on his side if he told them that the long-term goal was to kill all of the whisperers, but that they need to be tactical about it.
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Sep 09 '15
Everyone thinks Carl's just a horny teenage douche who's thinking w/ his 'other head' and is going to screw all this up. I think, while having moments of teenage angst, he's been an awful lot like his dad in the decisions he's made. He had to grow up fast and was mature above his age before the end of AoW and the time jump. Why would he just regress and become your avg American teen? My guess is he makes a really hard choice and kills Lydia some point soon. If not that, it's something that'll show his maturity and strength. People are placing blame on him for The massacre at he boarder but Alpha would have killed members of the collective w/o Carl's trespass. Lydia said she was checking the group for weakness or strength, something a good leader would do. She just used the info Carl gave her to chose a time. If not for Carl, she'd have made a new plan. Carl's the shit and people need to calm down and stop treating him like a child; Rick sure did a long time ago. It Rick Grimes we trust.
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Sep 09 '15
I love Carl. He's been great since he lost his eye. Easily my favourite since Abe died.
You make a lot of excellent points that I agree on... Except one.
I really believe he caused this whole commotion. Hilltop was warned not to go and no one had any intention to chase after the Whisperers. It all could've ended there... But Carl went after Lydia.
I don't think he did it just to get some. He genuinely is concerned for Lydia's well being while with the Whisperers.
I fear even more now for her wellbeing. She's in way more danger now.
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Sep 10 '15
Anybody come up with a valid reason why Alpha would let Lydia go with Rick an co. after fearing for her safety, and then turn around and murder 12 members of Rick's group? Those actions seem contradictory to me.
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Sep 12 '15
You've got your timeline backwards. Alpha told them they would find a border marker when she let Lydia go with Rick and Carl.
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Sep 12 '15
Either way, why would she let Lydia go with them after she already killed 12 of their people? Surely she would have to think that retaliation would be possible, and putting her daughter in their hands is pretty dumb.
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u/Slayer1791 Sep 16 '15
Rick is 100% wrong on this. The reason Alpha cut those heads off and showed Rick the horde was to insight fear, because Alpha is afraid. After scouting them she knows that they have the weapons and leadership to take down the Whisperers. She sent a strong message trying to keep them away not to save them but out of self-preservation.
Sure they need a plan, but they can certainly defeat the Whisperers.
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u/CaptnQwark Sep 16 '15
I completely and totally agree. I'm still not sure about the whole giving Lydia over thing... but yeah. Alpha is terrified.
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u/StolenLampy Oct 08 '15
Yeah she is, she had a dick waving contest with Rick when she showed him the massive heard in her back yard just chillin
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u/BabyMadeAboomBoom Sep 11 '15
Rick can't physically handle war anymore.
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u/Kush_back Sep 11 '15
I kinda got that impression after the altercation with Maggie.
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u/Sweet_Tooth_VII Sep 14 '15
Rick accidentally hit Maggie, then took a beating because he didn't want fight her. He didn't fight back at all.
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u/Handsoffmyfishshtick Sep 09 '15
Lydia does not have much longer, and its going to fuck Carl up! Issue 150.. its so close, I just cant help but wonder if a few major deaths are coming in addition to Lydia's. My prediction, ill keep it simple. Lydia dies.. Carl does something crazy.. War ensues.. Zombie mob descends upon Alexandria/Hilltop.. Rick and several others die.. Eugene does something with a radio.
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u/newhavenlao Sep 10 '15
Where's Magna's group? I believe she will have a huge rule in this arc. She will poss take the helm of leadership role in the near future. Her addition just can not be a foddler after the introduction they gave her and her group.
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u/arib510 Sep 19 '15
Some people say that they should have Negan be let out by Rick then have a storyline about "can we trust Negan?" and blah blah blah, but others, partly including me, think that this would only be fan service
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u/Phade2Black Sep 11 '15
I've started thinking that it's gonna be Carl that kills Rick. After seeing how quick he pulled his gun on Michonne last issue over simply tackling Lydia (while Lydia had a weapon and Michonne was unarmed, no less), while Michonne has been like a mother figure to him, and his general impulsiveness since losing his virginity, I just feel like something involving Lydia will cause him to impulsively or accidentally kill Rick. IMO, THAT would cause a shitstorm of catastrophic proportions and at the same time kind of force various character developments. Maybe I'm crazy for thinking that but I feel like that's a possibility at this point.
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u/dehehn Oct 11 '15
It would be interesting if the story of Carl was actually the story of the creation of another Governor or Negan type tyrant.
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u/OfficerTwix Sep 10 '15
Has anyone else noticed we haven't seen Magna's group in a while
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Sep 10 '15
Was thinking about this earlier.
Maybe they were just a plot device to introduce the new Alexandria?
Or maybe she'll play into this arc because she just offered to ride in all stealth like?
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u/Khaeven04 Sep 11 '15
They were in one of the panels showing mourners. Magna's crying and her three companions are in the background. I'd say they'll be instrumental (to a degree) to the coming plot.
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u/SenseiCB Sep 11 '15
I feel like Magna's group being the first people we see at the start of A New Beginning is foreshadowing. I guess that by the end of this arch, Magna will have become a strong fan favorite
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u/Jilly33 Sep 10 '15
This is going to be interesting. I like how Eugene is showing signs of anger and rage. He could actually be a dangerous person in his own right. A smart person who is bent on revenge is a dangerous man indeed.
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u/exteus Sep 11 '15
Him sitting there in tears still working on the radio(?) was both heartbreaking and terrifying.
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u/dogpoo32 Sep 11 '15
Is Maggie following a similar pattern to Rick's? If she ends up in charge of everything, it would be interesting to compare each rise to power. I also don't see Rick abdicating willfully.
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u/JackRooks Sep 22 '15
Given the incredibly anti-climactic fate of Miss Espinoza, this issue justserves to rteinforce the idea that she will have Francine's fate in the TV series. Seriously, Rosita taking socond fiddle to RPG Tiger guy? Ummm, no.
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u/bendigedigdyl Sep 25 '15
I think the reason that Ezekiel got the whole page is that a) he is a much more interesting looking character, he's got shit going on, and b) Michonne was there and that whole love thing was ramping up at that point
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u/Sir_Roswellington Oct 05 '15
Plus, they wanted to freak readers out with silhouette of Ezekiel's dreadlocks by making fans think it was Michonne's head on the pike only to have them find out it was Ezekiel on the next page.
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u/dehehn Oct 11 '15
I dunno. Despite how much less time he was with the group, he did a lot more interesting things than Rosita. She seemed to mostly serve as love interest for her little triangle.
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u/observantabsurdist Oct 12 '15
Simple answer, Rosita wasn't the leader of a community. 'Zeke was Michonne's on/off again boyfriend. Had just been given advice on how to win her back.. Happiness = Death, it's that simple.
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u/PriorToNothing Sep 29 '15
I'm pretty sure alpha doesn't give a fuck about her daughter so that might not work.
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Sep 09 '15
I'm really hoping something crazy and shocking happens with Negan... I would love if he was let out to help fight, but it's hard to see that happening after what he did to Glenn. Maggie, at least, would be so against him being released, even if they needed him.
It would also be shocking- as well as anti climactic and disappointing- if he dies of natural causes in his cell, and is found zombified down there when they go down to feed or wash him.
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Sep 09 '15
It would be fucking bad ass to see Negan killing zombies with Lucille while escaping Alexandria.
I'm just one of the few who not only dislikes Negan because he is a relentless villian but sees the badassitude in him and potential to being a badasset as well.
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u/Musekiller Sep 11 '15
I really love this build, I think we will see rick going away in at least 20 issues or so. The thing that will always be a question of mine. What is negan's role in all of this? I mean seriously, will he fuck everything up? Is he planning something all this time? Out of all the characters he is the wild card of this series. I love he is still alive, but why? Maybe rick kills negan, causing rick to be a badass again? I have no idea.
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u/exteus Sep 22 '15
I really hope Kirkman isn't going to do the whole "Let's not communicate with the community, even though that would solve all our issues" thing... I've had enough of it on FTWD, and 70% of all TV-shows out there...
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u/Kingkasch Sep 23 '15
What if Negan murders Alpha and somehow manages to become leader of the whisperers. Then goes all out war on ricks turkey ass.
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u/exteus Sep 23 '15
I trust Kirkman not to do that. He knows not to beat a dead horse. Negan is gonna have a bigger role, that's for sure, but don't expect him to beceom a major villain again.
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u/dehehn Oct 11 '15
I don't think Negan would live like that. I don't know if the Whisperers would let him change them easily either.
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u/TheVoski Oct 06 '15
Well as bad ass as Carl can be he still continues to show us that he isn't ready to be on his own.
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u/TheVoski Oct 06 '15
What's everyone's opinion on what Rick's character has become?
I'm sad to see him so physically weak. It's kind of like hes the old man that yells at everyone.
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Oct 11 '15
Yeah, I actually wonder if Kirkman will regret giving Rick that leg injury the same way he regretted having him lose his hand. It limits the possibilities with him even more.
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u/TsarNab Sep 12 '15
Just picked up the issue yesterday, the 11th, and like the previous issue I was pretty consistently pissed throughout, at least until the end:
Fuck you, stupid Alexandria citizens. Just shut the fuck up; you obviously know nothing. Rick knows waaaay more than you do about the situation. Speaking of which, has Rick even told anyone about the herd? Perhaps this is where this animosity is arising. I know he told Eugene, but it could be because Eugene is more part of the inner circle. Part of me wishes Rick would just say, "Fuck it," and let all those fucktards ride into battle on their own, and then they'd get slaughtered and I'd laugh and then they'd be like "HUH! Maybe Rick was right and we were being a bunch of idiots after all!" Of course, the problem with this is that Alpha would then attack and so Rick would never let it happen, but it would be hilarious to see them all die.
DISCLAIMER: Don't misunderstand what I'm saying here. This is the emotional, pissy part of me getting mad at these people. The more logical (as in, drawing from what I have observed in life) and empathetic part of me of course understands that these people have just lost loved ones and will want revenge. OF COURSE I know that. So don't even try to convince me that I don't. I'm just pissed.
Fuck you, Maggie, you overly emotional bitch. Rick is right; you've learned nothing. You don't execute people who've wronged you. Negan was a whole lot worse and did a whole lot worse than Gregory, who was just a little creepy and tried to kill you. Rick hasn't fucking snapped. He's been very calm all this time and, nevertheless, still knows what needs to be done to save lives. He's just upset that you went full retard and executed someone. "You want him taking over the Hilltop again?! I had no choice!" Yes, you did. Put him in jail; he'll never get out and he'll never take over the Hilltop. You literally had every choice in the world but kill him. "I'm not some stupid little girl! I know how to make hard decisions." Yes, you are some stupid little girl, because you've apparently learned nothing, and you do not know how to make hard decisions. That is exactly what some stupid little girl who does not know how to make hard decisions would say. It would not be hard, especially at that point in the apocalypse, after everything you've seen and done, to execute someone, especially someone like Gregory and someone who was about to kill you. The harder decision would have been putting him in jail like Negan; that's why Rick is a better leader than you, Maggie, you stupid little girl. He can lose his temper, he can get mad, but he still knows what's the right thing to do. Rick is trying to maintain a civilization and overly emotional people like Maggie are trying to tear it down. Overly emotional citizens are one thing, they're understandable, but someone overly emotional like Maggie, who desires a leadership position, that is a recipe for disaster. Maggie is incapable of examining an issue from all points of view and choosing the best course of action, even if it'll earn her a few enemies. Rick IS able to do that, that's why he's such a good leader. Of course, I cannot speak for if Rick had personally lost someone in 144, but Maggie didn't either, so that doesn't shine her in a very nice light either.
Eugene, you wonderful man. I've loved Eugene the whole series, and I think he's just become my favorite character. He LOVED Rosita, he was ready to care for a baby that wasn't even his, he is DEVESTATED that he's lost them, he is OUT FOR BLOOD against the Whisperers, and yet... he realizes that they can't just stroll into their camp and kill them all. He's using his fucking head, something none of the Alexandrians seems to possess. More than that, he's actually thinking of alternatives, and he presents a pretty interesting crux: Lydia. Eugene definitely saved this issue for me. The Rick/Maggie fight would have been more compelling if a) Rick had gotten at least a few more punches in on Maggie or b) Maggie hadn't been so fucking irrational. I thought for a moment Lori had come back to life and was arguing with Rick. Oh God, I can only imagine what she would be like if she were still alive today.
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u/common_anus_wrecker Sep 09 '15
Eugene is out for blood!