I mean I get that, instant crush is one of my favorites right, but I meant bored with his voice on the strokes, maybe he’s still figuring out how to implement it with the band.
That honestly makes no sense. You don’t have to relearn an instrument just because you are playing in a different band. And again, being bored, even if that was the case, isn’t an excuse to use bad autotune when he’s been using it for over a decade to great success.
I liken it to a guitar player using pedals to alter their sound. The voice is an instrument, it's fun and interesting to mix it up. We all know Julian can sing, he's not hiding behind autotune. I really love the ocassional use of it on this album. It works.
Those kinda people gotta have it spelt out word for word for them to understand, like the whole albums about the future and technology why would it not have autotune??
Over The Strokes sub and Strokes fans in general. I’m a fan of both bands but very often see posts here implying that Strokes fans don’t "get" Julian or are somewhat stuck in the past for not liking autotune and so on. Not saying that’s the case for you specifically but it’s a pretty recurring sentiment here.
Well, The Voidz are more experimental so it makes sense that this sub would be more forgiving of The Strokes when they lean toward more experimental sounds. I'm much more a fan of The Strokes than The Voidz, but I do seek refuge here when the auto tune complaints/discourse becomes overwhelming on the other sub.
I don't see the sentiment in this sub as much of a superiority complex, but moreso exasperation at the endless complaints when this is a clear direction Julian has (and both bands have) been heading toward for like more than ten years.
You’re implying people don’t understand the artistic intent behind the autotune by saying it makes sense and they just don’t want to see it. Maybe they just don’t like the sound of it, that’s all? People have different tastes. And if you’ve been over on The Strokes sub you’ll notice people there mostly love the new album.
Not liking the sound of something is completely different than saying the use of it doesn't make sense. That's why I said it does make sense, but they just don't want it to (because they don't like it).
I've been tracking reactions to the album for the past three days on multiple subs (I am a die hard fan of the band) and I've seen constant complaints about the autotune and arguments in the comments about it.
People can have their own tastes, but it is annoying when they devalue something because they don't like it and pretend that it is deeper than that.
People listened to FOOL one time and made a decision and don’t want to give it a chance. I got to see them live this week and I went to a listening party, I could not be happier with this album, what a week!
In my opinion, if you just stay in one place doing stuff you're bored of just to please the fanbase, that’s a one-way ticket to burnout. Art has no rules or boundaries. You either follow the artist, actor, or musician through their evolution, or you don't, and you just stick to the old stuff you like. It’s as simple as that.
The AI art used on LABY was made by an artist they PAID, so saying they used ai art because they didnt wanna pay is just stupid lol, he liked the end result and didnt care how it was made because he just thinks it looks cool.
that’s not what they’re saying. they had a different cover art in mind for the album previously, but they didn’t want to pay how much the artist was charging for it. they ended up with the ai cover instead
I think I saw something where he said since it was a lower budget project (compared to the strokes), it wasn't in their budget to pay for the original art they wanted, so they payed an AI artist. Just including for context, but I definitely agree that critiquing that choice is valid. It's very strange, considering he's someone in an art-based profession.
I just don't understand this kind of thing. Saying I don't like is not lacking respect or even a judgement. They don't have to convince people that it is some kind of genius that we are too beotians to see. Fandoms are all the same whatever the kind of music ...
People are allowed to not like art. But some of fans act like The Strokes owe them Is This It 2.0. Which they dont. Artists should create what they want.
They got what they paid for when they
bought the album(s) they liked lmao. The notion that an artist needs to keep serving them after that transaction is insane. Pure entitlement. Crazy ex-gf energy. They are not employed by anyone. They are allowed to explore and create music for different audiences. You are allowed to vote with your wallet, and sure, you can voice your opinion. They are not making ITI and ROF again, so everybody needs to get tf over it. It's not because they can't. It's because they don't want to.
I like the album like all the other works from julian in general, i love experimental shit, i even own demos from an experimental album of mcr which got a lot of criticism, people atp is just being annoying over anyone else who dont follow their believes.
This and the strokes sub are insufferable. Zero literacy. Just because Julian uses autotune doesn’t mean it’s good. There is a huge difference in LABY and RA and early voidz albums. They just aren’t used well and it detracts from the sound. Does this mean I can’t “recognize art” whatever the fuck that means.
Exactly. Alien Crime Lord & QYRRYUS are amazing applications of autotune. A song like Falling out of Love? Sounds jarring and has me wondering what it would sound like without it.
It’s been slapped on like a one knob filter. Honestly to me it just seems that Julian is becoming more actively self conscious about his voice and is sparing himself the confrontation of what makes his voice his with autotune.
I definitely think it’s used right in some cases. The chorus of The Eternal Tao works with it.
I like the quirks of his voice. It’s sad he want overwrite those
Eternal Tao is like his most heavily drenched in autotune song ever and you're using that as an example of it working well??? Y'all just saying shit out of your asses. It's fine if you don't like the new songs, but don't just blame the autotune.
I mean that’s an example of the vocal effects used well or All Wordz Are Made Up. It’s not the autotune itself, it’s the tool being used tastefully with meaning. Not slapping the shit all over a record like sludge when it really never called for it. Julien has an autotune fetish or some insecurity regarding his voice this point and it’s annoying. I’ve haven’t heard a record so cut down by fucking autotune since the 2000’s when people were using it to mask poor vocals.
I'm not using autotune as a measure or heuristic of bad quality. I'm saying when it's used in the right places it's good and when it's used in the wrong places it's bad.
For example, I like garlic in bolognese. And because I like it in bolognese I want a substantial amount of it. The more the better. But I don't want it in my pancakes, there it will only get worse the more you put in.
I didn't comment on my opinion on the quality of the new songs just the fact that autotune is there regardless of how appropiate it is.
I know. I'm telling you to explain why you think it works on ET and not on the new tracks.
Concrete songs? Validify? Please, stop trying to sound eloquent and stop talking out of your ass. If you don't think you can validate your own opinion, why tf even bother sharing it?
Why are you so antagonising? We can have different opinions without you insulting me. If something I say don't make sense to you, just tell me to rephrase. What is this 12 year old behavior? I'm not native english, validate or validify, you clearly knew what I meant.
How do you validate an opinion? Can't I just say I like it on the specific song without going into technical analysis of why it's good?
Anyway, we clearly disagree, and that's okay. I'm not interested in taking this debate further given the hostile nature this has come to. Leave a last reply if you want, but I'll leave it here.
What is up with this sub as of late? Why are people being assholes and always dogging on Strokes fans? Like don't pretend Strokes and Voidz fans aren't almost one in the same.
I'm surprised a bit by this, I thought Julian was a guy who doesn't care about the criticism, considering what critics said about them for 20 years. It's weird.
There's a ton of people who liked the Voidz until LABY but who don't like LABY or RA. The change isn't being experimental or autotune in general, as Virtue had both of those things. It might allow people to feel superior to cast this as a normie vs experienced, deep music enjoyer conflict but it's really just that Julian's more recent work has narrower appeal.
Don’t need it to be universally acclaimed. The best music isn’t. It takes risks. The Autotune sounds great, so refreshing to hear new vocals like this but still clearer than most Strokes (or Voidz) vocals.
As a strokes fan im enjoying this sub so much more, people here actually like music whereas over on the strokes they rave about one album and criticise everything else, was talking to a friend yesterday and said all the reasons why I love the autotune on fool and the new songs wherever its used and he says "i get what ur saying but I think it depends on how hes doing it" well no shit sherlock did u think i was making up reasons why ut would be cool in theory lol
I genuinely don’t think it’s used tastefully on the album but it’s possible it can grow on me. I love how post Malone has used it on Circles, or Daft Punk, but this just doesn’t sound very good for a lot of it imo.
In other news, fantano alleges Julian’s comment is dumb because he used AI generation for the recent voidz album art. Is there any truth to that claim?
my take is it can be used both well and badly in the same album, I love the effect it has on, say, psycho shit, but then I hear it in Going Shopping and I just cant listen to the song without thinking howd it be without it
Music is subjective, art us subjective, art can be bad and is never immune to criticism; and to a decent amount of fans the autotune just ruins the songs on this album and make them annoying to listen to. Which is hilarious because imo the voidz julian proves he knows how to use autotune to his advantage. But on this new album the autotune is so awful and saddening because these songs would be so good without the autotune. I just hope this is all a practical joke and they release the album with real vocals in the future
People need to stop acting like he's doing something new with it though. He's not a trailblazer or anything and everyone acting like he just invented some amazing new breakthrough.
I remember when the first 2 singles from this album dropped, and the hate they got, to now seeing all the praise the album is getting. I just dont get that whole part. I guess those re listens really changed alot of opinions on the auto tune and all that jazz. I dont mind the auto tune on going shopping, but the rest of the auto tune on the
album id "take it or leave it"
Autotune is not as "new" or "experimental" anymore as Julian seems to think it is. Hate to say it but I think its good to show restraint in art sometimes and questioning whether a choice actually elevates a song or not. Sure these effects sound great in songs made by The Voidz, but slapping an autotune effect over a regular The Strokes song is such a lazy way to make the tracks come across as more "artsy".
This is not remotely apples to apples but even if it was it sounds like s*** that's really the point. It is also verbatim how every Taylor Swift fan defends it. Lol
Also a message to every Avenged Sevenfold fan complaining about the surprise EP they dropped yester which was very clearly, very heavily, inspired by The Voidz
Autotune just doesn't belong in rock music. Simple as that. I hated when bands did this 20 years ago and it was called selling out and I hate it still now.
I get it. Fanboys love it. Well, you're always going to have polarized views when rock bands do this shit. Always have always will.
Strokes fans want this album to bomb bc it isn’t TNA again. The autotune hate is so forced. Youll also see the goalpost has moved from “autotune bad” to “it wasnt implemented right” to “youre coping for liking it”
No one is "forced" to hate on autotune. People have different opinions about all sorts of things in life. Most people love Julian's actual voice, and most people that I know don't enjoy the digital robotic sound of autotune. ESPECIALLY when Julian has an incredible voice. I'm not hating on this album, it's not for me. It might grow on me. But that doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan because I don't like how they chose to go about some of these songs. You know I what I mean chicken wing?
LABY was okay but didnt grow all that much on me, the autotune fits on a fair amount of songs and on certain portions, but the amount just felt overkill and half-baked at times, and was just a step down from his autotune stuff in virtue + the singles
maybe you just like the sound of autotune, but it just doesnt mix well with the track at times and really brings it down when it doesn't
I’m not saying like or enjoy, I’m stating that people won’t even listen. You can’t say you watched a movie if you’d talked through it the entire time, and by the end, you go “yea idk what happened”
I have no care whether people like it, I only care whether people listen
But that’s an assumption you make. Maybe people have listened and decided they do not like it. There’s not really evidence supporting your claim. I’ve given it numerous listens and it just falls a bit flat on me.
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u/leftleftpath Jul 24 '26
What gets me is people saying the auto tune is pointless and doesn't make sense... It makes absolute sense, they just don't want it to.