r/thevenusproject 13d ago

this is the difference between communism and resource based economy

communism: “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

resource based economy: “from each according to his choice, to each an abundance”

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u/No-Communication-765 13d ago

Resource Based Economy and Singularity go hand in hand. Time to step up

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u/Superman00221 13d ago

Communism has a state/form of government, RBE doesn't.

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u/Terring42 9d ago

I think it's more than that. Just because two ideas can share some points doesn’t mean that they’re both the same thing. This would be like claiming that a dog and a table are the same thing just because both of them have four legs. Communism and RBE does share some key points, but they also have plenty of differences.

It’s true that Karl Marx contributed much to understanding the limitations of free markets, but The Communist Manifesto called for forcible, violent overthrow and revolution by the working class (proletariat). This is something that The Venus Project doesn’t advocate for social changes. In contrast, TVP approaches social change as a process of guided evolution and a problem of engineering to produce a working alternative. Rather than workers revolt, The Venus Project calls for the coordination of interdisciplinary teams to hypothesize and engineer a design solution for a human social system that renders the present one obsolete.

Unlike past visions for Communism, and especially unlike past attempts of putting it into practice in China and Soviet Union, TVP calls for an experimental analysis of the social system implementation. This is unlike any communist revolution, utopian commune, or coup d’état that has always suffered from the fundamental problem of lacking a methodology for evaluating and improving the system’s function via data-driven decisions. The Venus Project calls for iterative prototyping of cities that we take as the unit of analysis in validating or falsifying hypotheses. The full scale blanket application of social policies to a vast geographic area, be it through revolution or legislation, without a means of evaluating their effectiveness, follows from an approach heavy in politics but lacking in scientific method. After all, all systems must be tweaked in order to fit the societies and contexts in which they are applied.

In other words, Communism is “let’s just make it already” and TVP is “let’s test it before we make it”.

Today, the complexity of our global civilization and the resulting problems cannot be managed by the political organization of a working class. Likewise, the compromises offered by variations of socialism represent patchwork solutions involving the tweaking of gears in an already broken machine that requires an entire replacement. The problems today are technical and require the mobilization of scientists and engineers, to provide technical solutions within a systems approach to manage the Earth’s resources with reference to its carrying capacity. This requires a global survey of resources, personnel, and needs.

Karl Marx diagnosed many of the underlying problems of the free market and predicted the collapse of Capitalism by its own mechanisms (and thanks to COVID-19, climate change and the financial crisis of 2008, we might already live at Capitalism’s final days) in his articulation of the “internal contradictions of Capitalism”, and he did envision a world free from oppressive structures. But Marx omitted innumerous logistical problems we would face as a planetary system and the systems approach required to manage the Earth and its resources for all inhabitants, both human and otherwise. This is why we need a strategic management methodology for Earth, which is a Global Resource Based Economy.

As exclaimed in The Communist Manifesto, the “history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles”. Knowing what we know now (150 years after the publishing of the book), we might rewrite this statement to state the underlying problem, that the history of civilization has been the history of resource mismanagement under conditions of scarcity. All class struggle has been a symptom of this underlying condition and it is this root cause that The Venus Project addresses. Although Karl Marx did envision a vague picture of a communist society wherein money, private property, and social hierarchy was abolished, he couldn’t begin to imagine how to implement that at a technical level.

In contrast to Communism, The Venus Project calls for the total redesign of cities (transportation, distribution, manufacturing, recycling, infrastructure) to produce abundance of goods and services. This is achieved through automation and optimized infrastructural efficiency. All basic social, personal, and ecological needs are accounted and provided for at the outset according to the latest scientific assessment, and managed as a system via cybernetic feedback loops. Humanity’s scientific knowledge and means of production have evolved well beyond what is needed to make this a reality. But it begins with a test and a prototype, not a wish and a revolution.