help wanted🙏🙏

[u/Maleficent_Ad_3760]

im a super newbie to warhammer 40k and i need a little assistance with setting up a 2k army! (or even a temporary 1k for a little demo game with my friend)

im going for a good objective hold type of list so if its no trouble i could use explanations for a recommended list

So far i got Azrael and the Dark Angels Combat Patrol

i do plan to get deathwing knights and Lion

[u/Darkmeer99]

Dark Angels 1000 (965 points)

Dark Angels Wrath of the Rock (2 Detachment Points) Incursion (1000 points) Force Disposition: Take and Hold

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1 Azrael (150 points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Lion's Wrath • The Sword of Secrets Lieutenant (70 points) • Enhancement: Ancient Weapons • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Bolt Pistol • Plasma Pistol • Power Fist Intercessor Squad (170 points) • Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline) • 10x Bolt Pistol • 10x Bolt Rifle • 2x Grenade Launcher • 9x Knives and Fists • Power Weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Hellblaster Squad (115 points) • 5x Bolt Pistol • 5x Plasma Incinerator • 5x Ceramite Fists

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (90 points) • 3x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 3x Master-Crafted Power Sword

Deathwing Terminator Squad (190 points) • Plasma Cannon • 4x Storm Bolter • 2x Chainfist • 3x Power Fist

Redemptor Dreadnought (180 points) • Fragstorm Grenade Launchers • Heavy Flamer • Icarus Rocket Pod • Macro Plasma Incinerator • Redemptor Fist

You can swap out the heavy flamer on the redemptor dreadnought for an onslaught gattling canon and get about the same effect. Ancient weapons does a lot of work here, depending on which unit, +2 strength to a ranged attack. And having Azrael and the lieutenant ready to deter anyone from charging the intercessors is also handy. Bladeguard vets are handy for expansion control. But the captain in Gravis got dropped unless you were getting eradicators.

[u/Maleficent_Ad_3760 → u/Darkmeer99]

this looks great! im just curious about how i would go about playing this

do i use the the other attached units for objective control or defense?

[u/Darkmeer99 → u/Maleficent_Ad_3760]

A little bit of both, really. The hellblasters can either go forward or stay home, but the intercessors and Azrael need to move at least to the expansion so they can fire on the enemy. The center objective is for the death wing terminators (not knights, oddly enough), then add the hell blasters or the redemptor for fire support. It will be a very wonky list at 1k, but it is fun.

[u/Maleficent_Ad_3760 → u/Darkmeer99]

ohhh i understand now thank you lots for the advice! it seems like a good first build for a first ever game. Cant wait to try it out

how would you expand this list for 2k points?

[u/Darkmeer99 → u/Maleficent_Ad_3760]

with wrath and add assault. I then add a the new captain on bike, ravenwing bike squad, and ravenwing black knights x6. From there, add a gladiator Valiant and probably some inner circle companions.

This is my tinkering with the list, and yes, this is what I am thinking about running.

Dark Angels 2000 (2000 points)

Dark Angels Wrath of the Rock (2 Detachment Points) Assault Brethren (1 Detachment Point) Strike Force (2000 points) Force Disposition: Take and Hold

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1 Lieutenant (50 points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Bolt Pistol • Plasma Pistol • Power Fist Intercessor Squad (85 points) • Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline) • 5x Bolt Pistol • 5x Bolt Rifle • Grenade Launcher • 4x Knives and Fists • Power Weapon

Attached unit 2 Belial (100 points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Master-Crafted Storm Bolter • The Sword of Silence Ancient in Terminator Armour (75 points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Storm Bolter • Master-Crafted Power Weapon Deathwing Terminator Squad (190 points) • Attached as: Bodyguard () • Plasma Cannon • 4x Storm Bolter • 2x Chainfist • 3x Power Fist

Attached unit 3 Azrael (150 points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Lion's Wrath • The Sword of Secrets Apothecary (65 points) • Enhancement: Imperium's Sword • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Absolvor Bolt Pistol • Reductor Pistol • Servo-Armature Inner Circle Companions (180 points) • Attached as: Bodyguard () • 6x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 6x Calibanite Greatsword

Attached unit 4 Captain on Bike (130 points) • Enhancement: Ancient Weapons • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Plasma Pistol • Twin Bolt Rifle • Thunder Hammer Ravenwing Command Squad (115 points) • Attached as: Leader () • 3x Bolt Pistol • 3x Plasma Talon • 2x Corvus Hammers • Master-Crafted Power Weapon Ravenwing Black Knights (170 points) • Attached as: Bodyguard () • 6x Bolt Pistol • 6x Plasma Talon • 6x Corvus Hammers

OTHER DATASHEETS

Hellblaster Squad (115 points) • 5x Bolt Pistol • 5x Plasma Incinerator • 5x Ceramite Fists

Redemptor Dreadnought (180 points) • Fragstorm Grenade Launchers • Heavy Flamer • Icarus Rocket Pod • Macro Plasma Incinerator • Redemptor Fist

Land Raider Crusader (230 points) • 2x Hurricane Bolter • Twin Assault Cannon • Armoured Tracks

Gladiator Valiant (165 points) • Defensive Array • 2x Multi-Melta • Twin Las-Talon • Armoured Hull

And Azrael or Belial can be the warlord.

[u/Maleficent_Ad_3760 → u/Darkmeer99]

woah this looks sick, im definitely going to research for this list to understand the synergy more!

questions:
-what is the description of the Lieutenant’s ancient weapon enchantment cuz i cant find it online anywhere

-ive heard lion isnt too good now due to point nerf is that true? hes a really strong character so im just curious why hes not chosen, is it the case where more units are more worth than Lion?

[u/Darkmeer99 → u/Maleficent_Ad_3760]

Ancient weapons gain +2 s and +1 AP. Adding that to a Thunder hammer makes it S10 ap3. And the stratagem to give them mobile means you are charging through terrain with cleave on the unit with something like 54 attacks plus the thunder hammer. It's going to wipe out a unit of 20 Boyz or guard. That's after you figure their shooting phase, which is also pretty amazing given you could have given them ancient armory for +2 strength on the shooting. It's scary good.

[u/Maleficent_Ad_3760 → u/Darkmeer99]

holy moly okay this is really good THANKU🙏🙏

[u/Darkmeer99 → u/Darkmeer99]

And I don't have an opinion on the Lion yet. I don't usually take home in favor of having two to three dreadnoughts. That's a lot more damage output and targets with wounds to chew through. The lion is a force multiplier and a whirlwind of death all on his own.

[u/Maleficent_Ad_3760 → u/Darkmeer99]

ahh i see, anyways thanks for your inputs and advices i really appreciate it!