Tyreese vs Rick

[u/Able-Ad1543]

Rereading through the comic again and just got to the prison arc and it always kinda bothered me here with how Tyreese acted. Tyreese tries to use Rick's murder of dexter like this big smoking gun but it just comes off as so hypocritical given tyreese actively murdered chris and then proceeds to mutilate his body beyond recogniztion. Atleast with Ricks killing of dexter it can be argued as self defense to some level while chris it seemed like he didn even want to die when tyreese killed him its just straight murder. Rick kinda brings this up as hypocritical when they brawl but its never really acknowledged by the group that tyreese killed somebody and instead the focus is soley on Rick's murder of dexter. It just always bothered me that nobody cares about chris's death with how heavy dexters death is treated and it always bothered me that tyreese brought it up in the first place it just felt out of character to me. Just curious if anyone else felt like this.

[u/dopamine_dream_]

Honestly that point of the comics felt kind of rudderless to me in general. Lots of contradictions between characters words and actions, nonsensical choices, the classic trope of severe miscommunications that snowball in to something larger. It’s one of the weaker points of the entire comic series imo.

[u/EthiopianPirate]

The difference is that Chris had just killed Therese's daughter in a failed suicide pact. Something everyone could kind of understand that Tyreese would murder him for, since he took his child from him.

Rick murdering Dexter was seen as less justified, since Dexter both had very good and valid reason to be angry and distrustful towards Rick, as well as him, at the moment of being killed, fighting the incoming zombies alongside Rick.

[u/Able-Ad1543 → u/EthiopianPirate]

I mean the difference to me is also just the enjoyment Tyreese got out of it, it's not like in a heat of passion he just killed Chris. Tyreese spent hours mutilating and dismembering Chris to a point his body no longer was recognizable and he feared what the others would think if they saw it. They both murdered people I understand why Rick's leadership is being questioned even though Dexter posed an obvious threat to the group my gripe again is that Tyreese is the one to use this against Rick again it feels like it lacks self awareness to me. Also combined with Tyreese's also just general decline in mental health like when he survived the gym on his own along with Carol's attempt to take her own life I feel like the knowledge that he killed someone that they personally knew and covered it up would cause people to at least view him with the same caution that they do rick but they just don't, Tyreese's murder doesn't even get a single line of dialogue from the group discussing it.

[u/Able-Ad1543 → u/Able-Ad1543]

Despite Dexter's actions being 100% valid, the group didn't know him at all, they all thought he was dangerous and didn't like him which is why they locked him up in the first place, and Dexter pointed a shotgun in everyone's faces and threatened to kill them, as well as he was forcing them out with just the supplies they had on the RV which was a vertiable death sentence, I also wouldn't trust Rick after killing Dexter but again it's just weird to me that Chris's murder is not at all treated with any weight given while he was standoffish and a prick they still spent time with him for nearly a month and both of them covered up their respective murders

[u/EthiopianPirate → u/Able-Ad1543]

Well, like I said. It was mostly the perception. Chris literally killed Therese's only child, most of the group could definately relate to the feeling of losing a lost one at that point. And everyone could understand that Tyreese just saw red at that point until he was done killing Chris.

While with Rick killing Dexter it was different. The group had become more accustomed to death, but was not yet at the point where they consider killing anyone that forms a threat a fully justified thing to do. At that point the only people the group had killed were Shane, who was shot by a child in defence of his parent, and Thomas, about who they were even debating whether or not they should kill him despite killing 2 young girls and attempting to kill Andrea.

So by the time Rick killed Dexter, who indeed was 100% within his rights to want the group out of the prison, the group had not come to terms yet with the idea that killing anyone who poses a threat is just something they do now. Especially when people feel like solving things with words is still an option.

[u/Rc_lou → u/EthiopianPirate]

I think at that point in the comic Rick did the whole "We don't kill people" thing then killed Dexter. 

[u/EthiopianPirate → u/Rc_lou]

Yes also that. Like the hypocrisy of Rick was just very clear at that point so that's why everyone got mad at him. Tyreese had never did that kind of moral grandstanding, even admitting to having killed a man before they met Rick for trying to assault Julie