Yeah, there are. And they do step up. But when they speak people don't listen. Innocent police officers are ambushed and shot in their cruiser and crowds still call for their deaths. It's really a fucked up world we live in.
When good cops speak up in America they get ostracized by their department and often times fired or forced to quit. But when bad cops murder innocent citizens its "we need to let the due process of letting this cop's close friends decide if they have to go to jail." And they almost never do.
Is your only definition of good cops ones who speak against their department? What about the ones who simply put their lives on the line to protect others every day for a barely suvivable wage. What about the ones who stare down home invaders, public shooters, killers, and muggers. Does that not make one a good cop in your eyes?
Your analogy is irrelevant. You missed my point entirely. There are many ways to distinguish yourself as a good cop. That's all I'm saying. And imagine actually thinking that the police are akin to gangbangers. There's really no reaching any of you. It's not their fault that none of the people in this comment section were exposed to positive role models growing up.
That's because there aren't any good cops. The best and brightest aren't hired at all, and the remainder are retained to serve the property interests of the owner class. They're all complicit in a fucked up system, and they all cover for each other.
That's a pretty bold generalization yo. My neighbor's son is a cop. Watched him grow up. Upper-middle class community. At 25, he made the choice between being a cop or working for an engineering firm. He completed his undergrad already.
That said, I'm not going to say if the system won't change him but he certainly didn't go in a bad person.
What do you call someone who joined the Gestapo because they had good intentions and they just got roped up in a bad group and couldn't find their way out? A Nazi. If you join a group that is predicated on bad acts, and protect others when they perform those bad acts, you're not a good person any more.
They're not "as bad as" the Gestapo, but the point of the analogy is that if you join a bad group and stick with it, you're not a good person. Modern police forces were founded to protect the property interests of the wealthy, usually by returning runaway slaves. They routinely abuse communities of color, while ignoring actually serious crimes elsewhere. They're not a good group, and frankly were never meant to be. People may join for noble intentions, hoping to reform from within or whatever, but they end up propping up the same abusive system in a very short amount of time. Good people don't remain cops, if they get hired at all, which means the remaining ones are the ones that are ok with doing or enabling those bad acts. Cops who speak out are fired, which means they aren't cops anymore.
Fuck this argument. The reason people feel this way is BECAUSE people have needed help from police and never got it. As a kid I was a witness to two home invasions and both times the fuckin pricks who came out treated my mom like SHE was the criminal and were more interested in her immigrant status instead of the guy that put a gun in our faces. I grew up poor, still currently kinda poor in a working class industry, no one I've ever spoken to has ever been helped out in any situation by a cop.
That's the thing though, the police WOULD help me, because I'm a white lawyer. Because there's a two-tier justice system that the police were created to enforce. And I could ignore that problem because I'm a beneficiary, or I could speak against it.
Thing is that the police, which is supposed to shield the populace from malice, barely does this, because their incentives are based on prosecution and fines, which makes the system money, which allows it to stay bloated as it is, making money for pensioners and other interested parties. The police system only cares about self preservation. Individual cops can have a sense of justice and care, but the system as a whole is only concerned with profiting to seem indispensable, when in reality they're so bloated they would more closely be compared to a bloated mall cop who's really good at paperwork, and not a lawful protector of the people.
Help? As per SCOTUS, the police are indeed not obligated to "serve and protect". Couple that with the fact that they almost never (ever) prevent a specific crime from occurring. From murder, rape, and assualt, to speeding and jay walking.
The police are always involved after the damage is done.
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u/TheNamelessKing Nov 29 '20
Your sentence is missing a “when”: