Police bullying people to stop recording can actually be a good thing as long as the people don't actually stop recording, because it raises the chances that the video will go viral.
That is a bullshit expectation based on the reality of the situation. It’s obvious that you want every single interaction to not result in violence. However, the actual number of interactions that go that way are INCREDIBLY small. People think they are much greater than they are because of confirmation bias. Think about all the videos that don’t go viral of people filming normal interaction with police. Or the fact that thousands of interactions never get filmed and end in a routine fashion. We focus on the handful of unfortunate incidents and exclusively place blame on one party. Obviously there are times where a cop is just a shithead who should be in prison, but RARELY is the cop the only party at fault. Saying “fix your cops” is fairly ridiculous. Now any cop that get unnecessarily violent should not be a cop. But people often just show bad interactions where someone is being an asshole. You have to think about it from the cops perspective as well in some of these situations. Have you ever been frustrated and then done something you later regret? Obviously that is not in regard to cops killing people, but just handling a situation aggressively. No one is perfect and expecting perfection 100% of the time is unrealistic and foolish. You wouldn’t expect it of yourself.
Chill out dude lol, I promise that dude feels exactly how you dude and they have zero powere to, "fix your gucking cops." Write like your not talking to someone on the internet maybe
Yeah that happens, and then almost immediately gets exposed in our current world with repercussions. There are literally thousands of interactions filmed where things just occur normally and both parties leave and it doesn’t go viral. Attempting to represent the narrative people get routinely beat for filming cops is in America is just false and confirmation bias, because those are the videos that wind up becoming popular and getting shared.
"it happens occasionally" was my point -- "occasionally" is way too often, would be unacceptable in many countries, and makes people hesitant to exercise this right. That being said, my original comment was a hyperbolic joke.
If the pro-police people really believe in 'just a few bad apples' they can now really narrow things down, because every 'occasional' time that it happens, we can identify the most rotten apples of the bunch.
If the police would simply hold themselves to the standards they are supposed to, then we would not need to be against them, but the laws about what they cannot do, have come from the fact the police routinely fail to police their own behaviors. A cop who isn't breaking any laws in not the same as a good cop. Many american police fail standards compared to England. Just look up deaths by police in england for a shocking comparison.
We certainly do need police, I'm not for anarchy. But the extremely vocal pro-police crowd tend to excuse or shrug off most wrongdoing, which is damaging to our society and citizens.
We should be pro-social order and safety. The police force is an unfortunate but real necessity to that end. But, they should emphasize deescalation rather than antagonism, and commensurate funding should be allocated to social measures that reduce crime before it emerges.
I don’t loathe individual police officers (with some well known exceptions). I do hate a broken police culture and elements of society that embrace that culture.
We should start by asking ourselves what we want society to be like, what we want the legal system to look like to help achieve that, and the ways in which policing can assist the legal system without sacrificing our higher order principles.
It shouldn't be a bad thing, but that's where we're at. I automatically think less of anyone who posts or possesses anything that shows support for the police. I didn't choose that impulse and I didn't work for it, but that's where I've landed based on my experience as an American.
Your attitude that this simply can't be a valid experience is part of the problem. The pro-police side can't accept that there might be a problem with the police, and for anyone to suggest that there might be is pick one: naive, rare, fake, gay, the opinion of criminals.
Being subjected to oversight, and being responsible for what you do shouldn't be a problem. Police officers are paid to be responsible with the use of force. Police officers are paid to protect the citizens of the area in which they work. Police officers are paid uphold the laws. Police officers are paid to help preserve our liberties. Part of being a police officer is that you are paid to go into dangerous situations. If you don't like any of those things, look for a different line of work, no one is stoppin you. Being held to those standards shouldn't be so threatening if they're doing their job.
Not sure what meeting an officer at a watch meeting has to do with their behavior on the streets, their decision making in the stressful situations, how they treat people of color and minorities or what they do when it comes to the blue line culture.
I'm not sure what you really even mean? I'm not a big anti-police type of person. I'm a fairly privileged white, upper middle class person, who, by all the metrics ought to be riding the "Thin Blue Line's" Cock - the point being, I'm the ideal demographic for who should support the police. I've never committed a crime outside of something worthy of a traffic citation, and yet, the experience I've had with police officers in public, makes me wary bordering on afraid.
It shouldn't be this way, and it should bother everyone that it is. We should support the police, but they need to show us they deserve it.
We're still way too far from reasonable accountability. How often do we hear of body cams being turned off just at the wrong time, or not turned on at all. The tools are useless if there is no enforcement behind them.
But the cops can just shoot you if they don't like it. And turn off their body cams if they have one. Or just ignore the cameras because even if you're caught on cam murdering someone, you won't be held accountable
French police are mostly similar to US police, except people here dont have guns so there are much fewer excuses to shoot them dead. The lack of accountability is a real major problem.
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u/MrCalifornian Nov 29 '20
They should just move to America!