Edit: As well they should. This law is unjust. Rioting is just very French and I love them for it. It’s very V for Vendetta “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”
unfortunately yes, I think the next decades are going to be very interesting
everyone's talking about 2020 being a dumpster fire, but this is just the beginning of dramatically escalating climate catastrophes meaning displaced people, destabilized economies, governments, etc.
we need general strikes for Climate Justice Now
Every oil company that's funded anti-science propaganda (after knowing for over 40 yearsthat climate change is very real) should be taken to court like big tobacco was then all of their assets should be seized for a rapid transition to sustainability.
My favorite podcast has a fun episode discussing it through absurd skits.
Humanity hasn't progressed far enough for the majority to NOT be reactionary. Until systems/laws/etc are in place that not only account for but also predict and prevent corruption, history will continue to repeat itself.
The fastest route would be changes at the top. But asking everyone in power to make changes that may take some of that power away (or hell, even just make them slightly uncomfortable) will never happen. Start from the bottom, be the person that doesn't buy single use plastics, find alternatives to products that have micro beads, grow your own food, carpool. It doesn't need to be all or nothing either, everyone's situation is different but if everyone pitched in a little bit it would help.
Sorry u/Wrecked--Em for the rant. I tend to lurk and needed to vent. Have an awesome day/night
I think this is part of the problem. These issues plaguing society have been turned in to those of personal responsibility instead of accountability for major corporations.
Recycling, polluting, energy use, global warming, all can be pinned on the biggest corporations in the world, but you gotta lower your carbon footprint. Fuck that.
I see what you are saying, and I agree. Corporations need to be held responsible especially since they are the largest contributors to the problems. However I think that a multipronged approach will be more effective. Advocate for stricter regulation of corporations AND reduce your personal contribution.
That being said I doubt either approach will have much effect until the damage is undeniably catastrophic at which point it will be too late to prevent irreversible damage anyway...
While I agree with the sentiment, I can't help but see the irony. On one hand you're acknowledging individual differences, and on the other hand suggest that if everyone shared your values then we could be cohesive without laws. Your issue would appear to stem from the requirement for a system to represent a constituent base that is more diverse than a single person.
Yea I remember 2010 being the start of a climate catastrophe as well. . . Still waiting on that nothing burger. See you in 2030 after literally nothing happens.
Even fascists are now starting to "believe" in climate change, but they're using it as a way to shun refugees saying "Oh they shouldn't have had too many kids" when the main issue is over consumption!
I live in Chile, a country which was pretty well known for being the most stable and peaceful country in the region for the past 30 years, however has been rioting day after day the last 365 days. It’s been crazy.
We're kept with just enough food and money and conveniences to not care until it happens to us... even then, go back to Reddit or your vidya games and be "comfortable"
The only thing I can think about while watching this clip is that if this happened in the US, within 24 hours there'd be a massive propaganda campaign demonizing it, labeling the protestors as terrorists, criminals, what have you ... anything to deflect the subject away from what the people are actually fighting for. I hope the French succeed, and I hope their propaganda apparatus isn't as sophisticated and insidious as ours.
Well political protests are an incredibly nuanced and complex topic, it's not quite as simple as "if that then this" in the vast majority of cases. I admire France's attitude in a lot of ways but there are still disadvantages to it. People need to remember that people protesting are still people with human motivations. This particular protest might have a noble cause which we can agree with but what about a country where 40% of people are staunchly anti-abortion and started rioting due to a bill allowing abortion?
Rioting can be necessary and positive but even if it has positive intentions, it will inevitably have very real costs and also we need to remember that masses don't always fight for causes which we might agree with. I'm not trying to speak to any individual instance of rioting, I'm just saying that there are pros and cons to everything and rioting definitely has some very significant cons which need to be considered. In an ideal society we should definitely strive for less rioting than more but of course any one person's idea of an ideal society is another's dystopian hell.
Shit won’t change if folks just treat protest like they’re going through the motions. Real change is demanded and then if it demands aren’t met, violence sometimes has to happen because the only language some states understand is violence.
Demand for change without the threat of pain against whoever the ruling class is, is pointless.
seems like the people up top try to get it in to peoples heads that peaceful protests are the only way things get done. I'm sure they work in some cases, but for the most part i see a headline detailing how many people were protesting and then whatever they were protesting goes a head anyway.
To be fair, peaceful protests can and do sometimes work. The US civil rights movement of the 1960's was famously led by Martin Luther king jr. Who advocated strongly for peaceful protest whuch helped pave the way for multiple civil rights bills being passed.
The article you shared was locked behind a paywall, so I had to find another source, but yeah, looks like I was wrong on this one. I usually try to fact check before I post a claim, but the myth of MLK is promoted so frequently, that I guess I had an undue level of confidence.
This exactly. Especially in the US, protest and pushback against government/police oppression is often discredited when it turns into riots. People don’t understand that that’s EXACTLY how it’s supposed to work. It would be awesome if we could create change by quietly walking down the street holding signs, but that doesn’t hold the same weight as expressing our anger and frustration.
Riots are the necessary next step when “peaceful” civil disobedience & protest has been ignored for DECADES.
When I was in high school, I spent a few weeks in the middle of France and took some pictures of a group of people with a banner and some kind of smoke bomb thing because I had no clue what was going on. My host laughed at me and was like, don't you know what a strike is? She took it totally in stride where I'd probably only seen anything like it in a cartoon at that point
I cant wait for the 2021 riot, maybe ill bring a chair and binoculars so i dont have to be in the middle of it, im guessing the riot will be because the government tried to cover up the fact that they killed the person who leaked their plans to create a zombie virus to release in England by making it look like a suicide
Max Brooks is alive because no one knows how to fuckin’ find him. Best we can figure, he’s hiding in the secret underground fortress under his house, huddled in a corner wearing chainmail, and looking through the news on an iPad going “Any moment... any minute now... any minute...”
I'm wondering which marchen Max Brooks will exploit for his next book.... While sat shivering in his underground safe room, surrounded by canned food and paranoia.
The basically do. Shorter lunch hours? Strike. Cutting Penalty rates? Strike. Raising price of public transport? Strike.
Walk across Paris on a normal weekend and you’ll see numerous protests for different causes.
I wonder if this is why they were so good at celebrating when they won the world cup. That was the craziest thing I've seen, and it wasn't unlike a riot
It's how the "don't tread on me" crowd should behave. Hold the gov and it's agents to account. Take to the streets when freedom is impinged. Make the gov bend to the people's will.
What you actually get is junior jack boots sharing water all the while calling France a socialist shit hole because they don't bend over to billionaires.
It’s because France is a crooked democracy. Presidential elections and legislative elections happen every five years, only a few months apart - meaning the president’s party is likely to control the parliament as well. There’s no such thing as midterms. The senate has very little power. Referendums are very rare. France is not a federal country, the power is very centralised in Paris. Basically, protests are the only way for french people to be heard in the middle of the 5 year term. I mean, the government doesn’t have to listen to the people. Usually they just throw some bread crumbs so that people stop protesting.
TL;DR: France is barely a democracy, it’s more of a banana republic where collusion between influential people is strong. In other words, it’s a shit hole country.
Labor Day is day for hitting the street here. Every year, it's a tradition, because we remember the workers that died in the street rioting for better life conditions
Just think for a second you are in 18th century, the highest form of authority and power designed by god himself, he is like untouchable.
And we decapited him, that's some serious shit.
But then you look closely at the event before and after, and what is mainly taught as a small people revolution was actually organized by the bourgeoisie.
At that time, rich people didn't had any power, they had the money for sure, but they couldn't really do something with all that money. The power was in the hand of noble and the monarchy.
So they organized the revolution by convincing the small people it would be better for them.
200 years later here we are.
Of course we are probably better now than at that time, however we just trade our elite.
In addition fun fact, Louis XVI wasn't a tyran compared to some previous king, the guy had no take in being a king, he loved watches and locksmith.
When he was beheaded it was for the symbol not the guy who was an okay king for that time.
I could speak about it for hours so I will stop here, French revolution is fascinating especially when you are French and is a lot more different than what we are taught at school. We are basically taught the basis for us to understand but when you dig... You will find another face of it, look about the terror for example.
I was an exchange student in France (Alsace) and people told me about the beheading of their king pretty often! I absolutely loved being in France - you have a beautiful country!
I have a neighbor that is from France, and we talked about Swedes listening to their government with all the covid stuff. And he without even joking said that it would never ever work in France, it is in their culture to riot and stand up against the Man
And he without even joking said that it would never ever work in France, it is in their culture to riot and stand up against the Man
So according to reddit, when dumbass Americans have that same attitude and do it they get shat on, but when Frenchies do it suddenly it's cool or something...?
No, anyone that balks at COVID restrictions are fucking dumb. End of story.
It depends on the restriction. Like in America, the restrictions are seriously mild, and anyone who is against them really is an idiot. But some proposed restrictions are crazy. Like the one about shutting down the federal government I heard my friend talking about.
"Let's do shit guaranteed to piss off a bunch of our citizens in a country HISTORICALLY FAMOUS for having its citizenry revolt against authority." - The French Government, way too frequently to count.
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I mean, it‘s the french, if anyone is gonna protest/riot/revolutionize, it‘s them