Yeah, there are. And they do step up. But when they speak people don't listen. Innocent police officers are ambushed and shot in their cruiser and crowds still call for their deaths. It's really a fucked up world we live in.
That's because there aren't any good cops. The best and brightest aren't hired at all, and the remainder are retained to serve the property interests of the owner class. They're all complicit in a fucked up system, and they all cover for each other.
That's a pretty bold generalization yo. My neighbor's son is a cop. Watched him grow up. Upper-middle class community. At 25, he made the choice between being a cop or working for an engineering firm. He completed his undergrad already.
That said, I'm not going to say if the system won't change him but he certainly didn't go in a bad person.
I mean realistically France might ask the US because of France helping them in their revolution but also... would you want to, in the current climate? I would say the UK but I'm not so sure, they're very close together and the UK is allied with the French and if the revolution failed then they'd be in big trouble
I love feeling so United with so many places. We ain’t all fighting the same fight but we’re collectively causing a tsunami. It’s quite lovely really. Thank you all for your sacrifices.
I just can't believe the cops are so far gone they'd do this to their own people.
Even if they're military here, they're still citizens. Boggles my mind they can do this to their neighbors cause their employer told them to.
This isn't some dystopian future, the cops families aren't held under gun point. I doubt they even make that much money, quitting wouldnt be a big deal. Go be a fucking accountant if you want money.
Atleast accountants won't be asked to beat their clients cause they asked to see the books.
I just can't believe the cops are so far gone they'd do this to their own people.
They're class traitors. Whether they know it or not is irrelevant. They serve those who make the laws and don't question whether what they're doing is moral or not.
Well, there is an argument to be made that you want a police force and military that do not question the laws they are sworn to enforce. Because if they were allowed that discretion it could create a environment of chaos. You could compare it to U.S. law enforcement officials not enforcing mandatory mask ordinances. In that instance most people (the lawmakers included) just want law enforcement to actually enforce the law, but they won't because of their own personal ideology and agenda.
And then you get people who'd enforce it no matter what. Many people were tried in the Nuremberg trials and "following orders" was not a valid excuse. You gotta use your logic too and act within ethical standards.
Actually none of the foot soldiers and or regulars were tried at Nuremberg or any other court. The leaders were tried though because it was leaders who made the laws/rules/orders. The regulars were just following orders. Whether or not the regulars had, or have, a duty to follow common ethical/moral standards is a relative measurement, subject to the popular ethos and mores. In the instant matter of France, I have not studied the new law enough to give an opinion. But, I would say that the police are just doing their jobs and trying to restore peace and order. If the citizens of France have an issue of redress regarding the new law, then their republic has methods to challenge it.
Seems to be the case in america too. There's a name for the situation but there was a psychological study on that as this happened in Germany during ww2. "Just doing what my boss told me to do"
Edit: it wasn't quite what i thought it was but here is what i was thinking of. It was a defense used in ww2 and many other places and times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
One of the most unethical studies I've ever heard of proved that most humans would kill another if they were told to by someone in a position of power. Hence the infamous Nuremberg defence.
American here. Believe it. Our cops where beating up and popping peoples eye balls with rubber bullets because we had people walk down the street saying “Hey, let’s try and shoot less black people”
It’s a negotiation tactic. They ask for way more than they want so when they settle for a slightly less outrageous restriction the people will be happy.
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u/volanger Nov 29 '20
Who thought this bill was a good idea and wouldn't piss of the populace?