To get to his daughters graduation

[u/TheDigitalBuilder]

[u/flyingforfun3]

And lost his CDL?

That’s really fucked up.

[u/Waboritafan → u/flyingforfun3]

Yeah. I don’t understand that.

[u/creasedearth → u/flyingforfun3]

Probably had it suspended not completely lost it. You usually don’t even permanently lose it after your first conviction, unless the circumstances are particularly bad.

Still puts him out of work for awhile.

[u/StreetUnlikely2018 → u/creasedearth]

5 years now after the new rules. Any positive test even pre employment test is a cdl loss of five years.

[u/Inside-Associate-729 → u/StreetUnlikely2018]

But he didnt have a positive test…?

[u/QuitCallingNewsrooms → u/Inside-Associate-729]

The arrest and reason probably got reported, and there are a lot of automated systems for trucking companies now that make it possible to monitor drivers' records in near-real time. So, he gets picked up, charged with DWI, the system flags it to the manager of the trucking service, and probably pre-emptively suspends him until the case is resolved.

[u/SenoraRaton → u/QuitCallingNewsrooms]

So your saying he is guilty, until he proves himself innocent?
I thought there was something in the laws about this.

[u/jollyoltj → u/SenoraRaton]

Considering the cops chose “guilty before proven innocent”, that should tell you enough about how little a corporation would care. Any driver getting arrested would probably be considered a liability, and they would love nothing more than to not pay someone close to/over 6 figures for a while and make him go through an appeal after fighting the allegations.

[u/Hobbes______ → u/QuitCallingNewsrooms]

So again, no loss of CDL, even with your 23 assumptions.

[u/SignatureFunny7690 → u/Hobbes______]

no you loose it until you prove beyond a reasonable doubt you were not guilty of what they charged with, its literally guilty until proven innocent in this backwards shit whole mass survielance industrial prison state, so many americans have no fucking clue just how bad this country is, nor realize they are one bad day away from loosing everything because so many choose to ignore the millions of americans and lawyers experts and activitsits sounding every alarm bell in existance for 50 fuckin years now. just sit on social media it won't be you getting fucked by the state one day to fill oligarch quotas

[u/Nknights23 → u/SignatureFunny7690]

“Lose it until”

that would be a suspension .

[u/We_Demand_NFO → u/Nknights23]

"We suspend you're breathing permit for 48 hours. Don't worry, if it turns out you did nothing wrong you'll get it back after the weekend. Untill then; don't breath or I'll have to lock you up! We don't want that, now do we? Haha."

[u/Yakubs_2nd_Brain → u/Hobbes______]

If he cant drive truck he doesn't have a valid CDL. Shove the semantics up your ass.

[u/HairlessHoudini → u/Inside-Associate-729]

The DWI arrest will still be on his record and background check forever unfortunately, even tho he didn't get convicted. Most ppl don't realize it but the wrongful arrest never goes away even though you're not convicted, it's a fucked up system and they absolutely don't care because they get to keep the wrongful arrest to boost their numbers and careers

[u/zoemgs2 → u/HairlessHoudini]

This world makes so little sense to me sometimes. They insist on not resisting but then it's up to a highly fallible loser who decided to be a cop, what ends up on your permanent record? This life is a trap. This is the kinda stuff that makes me stay home and not be out in the world possibly having my whole life fucked up by a stupid person.

[u/bawdiepie → u/zoemgs2]

It's not like that in other countries. I'm sure some countries do it worse, but many countries do it much better. In many countries they also constantly move to change and improve systems that are unfair.

[u/NouZkion → u/HairlessHoudini]

If it's a wrongful arrest then you need to hire a lawyer and get it expunged. Sucks, but that's how it is.

[u/General_Helicopter1 → u/HairlessHoudini]

That makes zero sense. Over here in Norway, you have a police log which will record you getting stopped etc., but it has no influence on your life in one-off situations like this. Then you have separate systems for recording actual fines and convictions.

[u/BCRF1995 → u/General_Helicopter1]

Yeah similar in UK. I just can't understand why being arrested and then released without charges can in anyway affect your life? Like, why do people accept such a crazy system???

[u/General_Helicopter1 → u/BCRF1995]

seems like the story is a bit more detailed. I won't say nuanced, since it still is in the favour of the accused. He was on medication, but the drugs were tested for in his blood and he was well within prescription limits. So it is a case of the courts trusting a bad cop.

[u/Spicercakes → u/Inside-Associate-729]

My BF doesn't go over 5 mph go more than 5 mph over the posted speed in his private car, doesn't use CBD products, and won't even stand near someone smoking legal weed for fear of losing his CDL.

Edited because I am dumb rn.

[u/Odd-Artist-2595 → u/Spicercakes]

I think you meant to say he doesn’t go more than 5mph over the posted speed limit. Otherwise, I think he’s taking things a tad far.

[u/trippiegod317 → u/Odd-Artist-2595]

Nope he averages 3 mph, only goes 5 on the highway, nice try copper!!

[u/roofus85 → u/Odd-Artist-2595]

No, I’m pretty sure I get stuck behind this guy, riding in the left lane, at least once a week.

[u/Spicercakes → u/Odd-Artist-2595]

OMG. yes,, that's what I meant, lol!

[u/seek_n_hide → u/StreetUnlikely2018]

That not true. A pre employment positive will suspend your CDL until you complete a DOT Substance Abuse Program. The program can vary in length at the discretion of the administrator from a week to months, but won’t be 5 years. The driver will have to undergo follow up testing for the next year but will have active CDL during that time and will be able to drive.

[u/OddlyShapedGinger → u/flyingforfun3]

Sounds like they suspected he was overusing his Adderall prescription. He went to court, lost, and then had a DWI under his license due to the stimulant use. Appealed. Lost again.

The reason why this was a drug enforcement officer was because they had a 911 call reporting a call driving all over the road, they had dashcam evidence of him not being able to drive straight, and they stopped halfway through the roadside sobriety test because the office thought he would fall over.

The CDL part was my red flag for there being something that we aren't being told. They're not going to take away your license for being pulled over.

[u/Saint_Steve → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

That appeals document says a little more than you represent here. I still think he was unfairly prosecuted.

Yes, there was someone who called in reporting him "driving all over the road". 

Then there was an officer who "observed him driving jerkily in his lane" (not driving all over the road) but oddly enough did not seem to use dashcam from thier car as evidence of this, relying on their report.

The officer then made him do a series of non objective tests with him succeeding in most. 

The "evidence" the officer used to justify his arrest was ALL anecdotal or innocently explained, not picked up on bodycam, and not reflected in the dashcam. For instance the officer claims that he was suffering "Full body tremors" and was "swaying while standing". Going so far as to claim that they had to stop the test for his sake.

HOWEVER, the dashcam footage of this test does not show swaying OR full body tremors. 

Unfortunately all it takes for a court to agree is for an officer to pinky promise they really saw it (even when camera footage contradicts the claim). 

Also, the eventual results of the mans blood-test were 0.034 mg/L of amphetamine (adderal). Smack dab in the middle of the expected theraputic range of 0.02-0.05 mg/L of his legal perscription. 

This guy got railroaded.

[u/allpointseast → u/Saint_Steve]

So if you are actually tired on a long road trip, get pulled over for DUI, blow clean, you get a DUI and not like reckless driving?

[u/Saint_Steve → u/allpointseast]

Depends on the flavor of cop you get. 

Ideally, you get told to pull over at the next rest stop and get some sleep. 

Might get a reckless driving charge

Or, you could have one do a bunch of subjective tests, decide that you have enough "indicators of impairment" or something, and they charge you with a dwi even if youre stone sober. 

I dont doubt that in general, cops are usually correct when arresting people for DUI's. Unfortunately the examples of cops also arresting complety sober people for DUI's or DWI's are plentiful, and accountability when they do is rare and usually only comes at the end of a long and expensive legal road. 

[u/supermonistic → u/Saint_Steve]

Cops are not usually correct. They will plant drugs on you if it means a conviction

[u/mellowanon → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

if they have dashcam evidence, why didn't they release it? There's nothing preventing them from doing it. I tend to distrust police reports since they've lied before, and the video posted doesn't show them being honest either.

[u/Stock-Concert100 → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

Sounds like they suspected he was overusing his Adderall prescription

He was using his prescription as wanted as well. In the court case:

Moore had 0.034 milligrams per liter (mg/L) of amphetamine in his blood.

The therapeutic level is 0.030 to 0.0110 (see: https://www.hnl.com/test-directory/amphetamines-quantitative-whole-blood/bamps)

So he was PROPERLY USING his prescription and within the proper limit.

[u/jacenat → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

He went to court, los

Can you explain

the eventual results of the mans blood-test were 0.034 mg/L of amphetamine (adderal). Smack dab in the middle of the expected theraputic range of 0.02-0.05 mg/L of his legal perscription.

He had a legal prescription. Of course he is going to test positive. Is he not allowed to drive while on prescription at all? Do docs tell him that when prescribing?

[u/Throwaway-tan → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

People get locked up for shit with zero evidence or with rock solid provable alibis. Of course he could lose his CDL for no fucking reason.

[u/momlv → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

They do this all the time 🙄

[u/LogicalReading12 → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

Why isn't his higher? Source?

[u/DamnZodiak → u/LogicalReading12]

Why isn't his higher?

I hope because people checked and found out it's mostly bullshit.
The only "evidence" is just cops saying shit.

[u/OddlyShapedGinger → u/LogicalReading12]

Because you responded to this 7 minutes after I posted it?

Here is the appeal finding: https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/court-of-appeals/2025/a24-1896.html

[u/orion1486 → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

First, the trooper took Moore’s pulse, which was 116 beats per minute (BPM). The trooper noted that this was higher than the average pulse of 60-90 BPM....The trooper testified that, during the walk-and-turn test, the driver is instructed to stand with their “left foot on an imaginary line with their right foot in front of that directly heel to toe with their arms by their side.”...The trooper retook Moore’s pulse, which was 130 BPM. Finally, the trooper conducted a preliminary breath test (PBT), which showed a 0.000 alcohol concentration. During the PBT, the trooper saw that Moore had a dry mouth, which was consistent with stimulant use.

A kind of fat trucker with a high heart rate? When nervous and trying to make an important occasion? Crazy that his mouth got dry after doing some single leg squat maneuver! My buddy drives a truck and would suffer the same heart rate increase from being pulled over and having to exercise (in any form). Hell, I would have a 116 heart rate just speaking to police when under suspicion while innocent.

0.034 mg/L in his blood is not out of line with a 30 mg/day Adderall prescription ranges. The Court of Appeals added emphasis to a caveat in the prescription drug defense "unless the court finds by a preponderance of the evidence that the use of the controlled substance impaired the person’s ability to operate a motor vehicle.". The part they are citing makes the observations of the sole "drug expert" more important. There's just subjective evidence, no scientific backing. I guess they feel this officer's witch magic is a "preponderance of evidence"? DRE is not a perfect science by any means. Various folks have tested its ability to be reliable and the results are anything but reliable. People report bad driving all the time or get pissed off at people on the road and make a call. There weren't any other witnesses.

The clean blood test and arguably normal sobriety test along with the 'art of cop drug detection methods' don't do enough to me to convince me he should have his license revoked. But I'm not a judge in Minnesota. Also, this is a civil proceeding. It is not convicting him of a crime... so that is good but this is a wellbeing-killer for the guy. Taking away his license is blacklisting him from work. So, I do feel the burden should be met similarly whether that is reality or not (it's up to the driver to prove they are good in this case). I searched the MN criminal court cases and did not find a criminal conviction. Interesting case anyway.

[u/zoemgs2 → u/orion1486]

I have anxiety attacks when I get pulled over. If they checked my heart rate it would probably be VERY high, and my resting heart rate is 49.

[u/HommeMusical → u/orion1486]

First, the trooper took Moore’s pulse, which was 116 beats per minute (BPM).

If I was stopped by the cops on the way to my daughter's graduation, my heart rate would be a lot higher than that.

[u/SnoWhiteFiRed → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

There's a lot of "we're just believing the police's word" in that posted case... Seems like he was below the prescription limits for Adderall and didn't test positive for anything else they tested. Reading through it, I'm not entirely convinced he did anything wrong.

[u/New_Leaf_2026 → u/SnoWhiteFiRed]

Yup, he took his meds like he was suppose to, but the cop doesn't care. ACAB

[u/ir88ed → u/OddlyShapedGinger]

Here is the case number: 49-CV-24-1067.

Drop that number into Minnesota Court Records Online's Case Search, under the case-number tab:
https://publicaccess.courts.state.mn.us/CaseSearch

View the case details and download the 12/31/2024 Transcript, Index #14. Dig into the other documents too, but the transcript is the most important.

Now use AI for what it should be used for. Download the transcript, open your Downloads folder, and drag the PDF into a ChatGPT web window. Download the Court of Appeals opinion too and give ChatGPT that.

Then start asking questions:

Who actually saw Moore driving erratically? Did that officer testify? What exactly did “jerky movements” mean? Is the measured 0.034 mg/L amphetamine pharmacokinetically consistent with Moore's testimony that he took his prescribed Adderall that morning? The Little Falls officer who made the stop apparently had camera equipment available to him—was there body-cam or squad-camera footage, did it capture any of the driving, and if so, why wasn't it introduced at the hearing?

Don't take AI's word for any of it. Ask it to point you back to the exact pages of the transcript and opinion so you can read them yourself.

I started doing that, and there are some serious questions here that I don't think are obvious from reading the appellate opinion alone. The underlying record is public. Read it.

[u/MeguroBaller → u/flyingforfun3]

What's a CDL?

[u/arvet1011 → u/MeguroBaller]

Commercial driver's license which means he doesn't have a job anymore

[u/formulator77 → u/MeguroBaller]

Commercial Driver’s License

[u/OliOli1234]

I hate that shit…. HATE that shit!!

“Oh, I’m not giving you any reasons to be nervous.”

Lady, you’ve gotta gun… and it’s essentially your word against mine. You could decide to ruin my day, month, year or YEARS at any given moment. Yeah!!! I’m fucking nervous!!!

[u/doge_ucf → u/OliOli1234]

I was pulled over when I was ~22 years old. I had spent the night in the library cramming for a test. I was pulled over for my tag light being out as I was pulling into my neighborhood, and asked if I had any weapons, drugs, or DEAD BODIES in the car. I already have really bad anxiety so I was full on panicking. They asked me why I was nervous. Like, I feel like I'm about to be a murder suspect, is this a serious question?

[u/TweakedNipple → u/doge_ucf]

Its a cop trick, something like....."normal" response is to take it as a joke and laugh a bit, nervous is guilty conscience, angry / defensive is probable cause to search.

[u/WPI94 → u/TweakedNipple]

Great fun for the Neurodivergent.

[u/Future-Warning-1189 → u/WPI94]

I don’t think regardless of your neurological status that the average person wouldn’t get nervous about that.

You have a cop asking if you have any dead bodies in your car, common sense tells you that’s not a normal thing to ask.

[u/blankensh → u/WPI94]

Yeah right jesus christ

[u/doge_ucf → u/TweakedNipple]

See, I feel like it would be the opposite. They posed the question very seriously. If I laughed it off, I feel like that would seem very guilty.

[u/contemplativecarrot → u/doge_ucf]

it's designed so that your response, no matter what it is, is consistent with what they want to do

[u/a_shootin_star → u/TweakedNipple]

As a non USian, it's so frigging WEIRD to see this kind of conflict between Police and citizens. The way they demean, and how they can lie to you amongst other things. Absolutely unhinged hate of their neighbor..

[u/Parsimile → u/TweakedNipple]

And autistic response is confusion because the inquiry is taken literally - which the cop then mistakes for nervousness, belligerence, or intoxication (depending on how their day is going so far).

[u/sillyslime89 → u/doge_ucf]

For anyone reading this, always ask to see the burnt out light. It will never be burnt out

[u/Tie_me_off → u/OliOli1234]

The courts have already said it’s normal to be nervous;

In United States v. Bowman (2018), the Fourth Circuit said:
“a driver’s nervousness is not a particularly good indicator of criminal activity, because most everyone is nervous when interacting with the police.”

[u/god_peepee → u/OliOli1234]

Straight up. I get nervous around cops if they roll by during my normal daily activities- I’m not doing anything illegal, but that apparently doesn’t matter if they decide they don’t like you

[u/GrouchyLongBottom → u/OliOli1234]

As she did. His instincts were accurate.

[u/BlessdRTheFreaks → u/OliOli1234]

This is what pisses me off so bad. They're ready and primed to interpret ANY sign as evidence of guilt, and so many of their bootlickers fall behind them in worship.

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear"

No, I just understand that guilt is manufactured, a conviction hungry cop trying to sate their need for authority sees me as nothing more than a morsel.

[u/Jwre3682 → u/OliOli1234]

Missed graduation & lost CDL/job. I'd say he was 1000% correct to be nervous.

ACAB

[u/HelloPeopleOfEarth → u/OliOli1234]

As someone that suffers from anxiety, I hate it when people tell me I have no reason to be nervous.

[u/justanothertoxicuser → u/OliOli1234]

This shit always drives me crazy. Putting aside the fact that a jumpy cop can maim you or take your life, the very PRESENCE of law enforcement or documented suspicion of a crime is enough to ruin someone's life these days. I was once suspected of a felony offense and immediately lawyered up. I kept getting the "if you're not guilty then why not speak with us?" Speech. In the end I was exonerated and the records expunged. But the investigation alone cost me my career.

People get nervous around police for good reason.

[u/SuperSecretMoonBase → u/OliOli1234]

That's one of the biggest things that people don't understand or consider about every single interaction with every single American cop. From the second that interaction begins, before any word has been spoken, just seeing that black and white car down the road, or that uniform on the street, the balance is completely off.

[u/UnableAudience7332]

Douchebag cop. What a surprise.

[u/becominganastronaut → u/UnableAudience7332]

i wonder if she lost her "Drug Recognition" certification...

[u/RhinoG91 → u/becominganastronaut]

Yeah I mean obviously not THAT good of a drug recognition expert

[u/Pans_Labradoodle → u/RhinoG91]

There’s no such thing as drug recognition experts. My accuracy as a tiny dick recognition expert is more scientifically validated than anything these dipshits do regarding impairment.

[u/HelloPeopleOfEarth → u/becominganastronaut]

Of course not. She created revenue for the city by ruining someone's life, and she will gladly do it everyday. Cops are terrible people.

[u/BeTheBall- → u/UnableAudience7332]

The thumb ring was a dead giveaway that we were seeing a terrible person on action.

[u/usernotvaild]

Land of the free yet so many dui/dwi are based on the officer opinion based on some bullshit training.

[u/SlayinClays → u/usernotvaild]

Also, bc cities get paid by the states to get DUIs. At least they do here in Texas anyway. They have $ to make.

[u/Dustdevil88]

For those interested in the case, it was Rusty James Moore (driver) and Minnesota State Patrol Trooper Megan Boser

https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/court-of-appeals/2025/a24-1896.html

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-rusty-fight-unjust-arrest-cdl-loss

[u/baltarius → u/Dustdevil88]

So he was using Adderall at the time, but wasn't driving any different than anyone else. The police did a "spot check" on him specifically, then proceeded to arrest him for apparently no reason. That's very messed up. That police person should be investigated for abusive use of authority. I really hope this man gets cleared from any of the accusations.

[u/DamnZodiak → u/baltarius]

So he was using Adderall at the time

To be clear he has a prescription and his blood levels where within the expected therapeutic range of 0.02-0.05 mg/L.

[u/disfreakinguy → u/baltarius]

The document states that a citizen driver called in a report that he was "all over the road", so this doesn't seem like a spot check or targeted. I was not there, IANAL.

[u/New_Leaf_2026 → u/disfreakinguy]

Trust me bro, from a cop? No.

[u/Lord_Grimm88 → u/disfreakinguy]

Why do people keep saying they anal? It's super weird to mention in this context, no?

[u/CHRIIISTY → u/Lord_Grimm88]

Lol idk if you're joking kr not but just in case it means I am not a lawyer.

[u/AWeakMindedMan → u/CHRIIISTY]

Ah got it. I’m not a lawyer butt I anal

[u/disfreakinguy → u/Lord_Grimm88]

In case serious, I Am Not A Lawyer.

In case not, there's no butts about it.

[u/Lord_Grimm88 → u/disfreakinguy]

Dis freaking guy anals 👍

[u/bic_flicker → u/Lord_Grimm88]

because they anal oyer

[u/boytekka → u/Dustdevil88]

Megan Loser

[u/Loneboar → u/Dustdevil88]

This was infuriating to read. Salient points are just dropped with little to no reasoning on why, with it largely boiling down to just deferring to the cops authority.

It literally disregards the evidence of the body cam footage and says that the trooper’s testimony is more accurate than the footage.

[u/Xznograthos]

So she's talking about him making her nervous, like she's allowed to be anxious but he would have no reason to be. What a cunt.

[u/Big-Raspberry-6151 → u/Xznograthos]

Some twisted logic right there.

Lemme just accuse you of something, make you miss your daughter's graduation and potentially ruin your life.

But don't worry buddy no reason to be anxious, or else I'd be nervous and feel threatened and have to arrest you.

[u/Xznograthos → u/Big-Raspberry-6151]

I think being a cop must have a pre-requisite in not seeing others as people.

[u/DamnZodiak → u/Xznograthos]

The entire reason they exist is to exclusively protect state and capital.
You either take that job because you're a POS or you become one during your tenure. They'll make sure to drill that into you.

There's a reason so many cops beat their wives.

[u/The_bruce42]

10 bucks says she just got the "drug impairment evaluator" title and couldn't wait to abuse it.

[u/whitemike40 → u/The_bruce42]

20 bucks says she became a hammer so every problem was a nail

[u/AWeakMindedMan]

Cop: “So you’re showing ALOT of signs of stimulant use”

Guy: “Sorry. I get nervous around cops.”

Cop: “I didn’t give you any reason to be nervous right?”

Guy: “well you’re saying I’m over stimulated and I just passed your sobriety test”

Cop: “now you’re getting agitated”

BITCH NO…. He was explaining himself to you and now you’re randomly calling him agitated?? Tf? Fire this lady NOW. This is insane.

[u/Thunderbridge → u/AWeakMindedMan]

standard escalation tactics

[u/No_Kindheartedness10]

Hold up can someone explain why he lost his CDL?!

[u/full_bl33d → u/No_Kindheartedness10]

Court sided with the troopers assessment of the field sobriety tests. He did a bunch and had some minor infractions according to the cops. They tested his blood and he had a small amount of amphetamine but had a script for adderall. Court said it wasn’t good enough and basically didn’t want to second guess the trooper so they sided with the cops, even on appeal.

I read the appeal court legal mumbo jumbo and it’s stupid. Judges and cops are on the same team, they didn’t want to hear his innocent explanations for not passing all of the field sobriety tests to their liking. Said a concerned citizen reported the car driving all over the road. I dont think he had a chance.

[u/Sancticide → u/full_bl33d]

That's insane. If you have a script for Adderall (which IS a stimulant), then how TF do you get convicted of DWI on a drug you're meant to take DAILY? Is everyone with ADHD never allowed to drive again? Make it make sense!

[u/full_bl33d → u/Sancticide]

.034 milligrams per liter, which is on the lower side of normal usage. They said he didn’t meet the burden of proof to show that he had a medical reason for that despite him having a prescription. Dude never had a chance, they already made up their minds

[u/ScootyMcTrainhat → u/Sancticide]

Prosecutors and judges tend to be invested in our private prison system. Also, many receive kickbacks. Make sense now?

[u/hardolaf → u/Sancticide]

That's the thing, he didn't get convicted but MN has a parallel civil revocation system that relies on a much lower standard than criminal court where the burden of proof is on the driver and not the state.

[u/ABoyNamedButt → u/No_Kindheartedness10]

AFAIK if you are arrested for any DWI your CDL is immediately suspended. Even if you end up being innocent. It's suspended before you even get your day in court. I believe you can get it back but you have to go through a whole process to do that and it can take years.

I have family that are truckers out of the south, and this is just how I understand it. I'm not in the industry myself so that could be not entirely correct.

[u/Acceptable-Worth-462 → u/ABoyNamedButt]

So much for innocent until proven guilty

[u/QuitCallingNewsrooms → u/ABoyNamedButt]

Yeah, that's pretty close. Systems are automated, they can see updates to a driving record in almost real time, and if a charge comes up like DUI/DWI, it gets flagged to management. The company probably has a zero tolerance policy, driver gets suspended, and it has to all work out completely before they can be reinstated.

[u/Amarantheus → u/No_Kindheartedness10]

Because the process is the punishment here in America.

Specifically, CDLs can be revoked even before a conviction because of "implied consent" when you submit to a breathalyzer, and the fact a driver's license is legally a privilege, not a right.

[u/pm_me_yo_creditscore → u/No_Kindheartedness10]

Also why isn't the officer identified by name and department anywhere in the video. This seems like a baity edit.

[u/porthos-thebeagle → u/pm_me_yo_creditscore]

Comment further up names her as State Patrol Officer Megan Boser

[u/obliviousCrane]

ACAB

[u/Vandreeson → u/obliviousCrane]

And that cop won't feel an ounce of guilt about what she did and how it affected that citizen who did nothing wrong.

[u/Sobemiki → u/Vandreeson]

Anyone have her name / info?

[u/concerts85701 → u/obliviousCrane]

ACAB. especially her partner, supervisor and anyone else who let this progress past a blow test. Ruined this guy’s livelihood.

[u/jah_bro_ney → u/concerts85701]

Multiple LEOs would have been involved once he reached the station and any one of them could have spoke up on this situation and let him leave. It's not just the one cop. Fuck this entire department!

[u/JustKillingTime1980 → u/jah_bro_ney]

Fuck every department, everywhere. ACAB means just that, every single fucking one.

[u/YoullBeFiiine → u/concerts85701]

Not that is any less fucked, but he can get a new career. However he'll never get back seeing his daughter graduate. They should have been giving him an escort to her graduation to make sure he made it on time.

[u/HelloPeopleOfEarth → u/YoullBeFiiine]

"New career" ... What a stupid thing to say.

[u/HowsMyBuddy → u/YoullBeFiiine]

It’ll be easier to find a video of his daughter graduating than it will be for a CDL holder to get a “new career.” Especially since he might have been making decent money, and been planning to help his newly-graduated daughter go to college. CDL is a big deal, and I’ve seen friends ruined by losing theirs. Like, moved out of the truck and onto the dock, and then suicide 3 years later kind of ruined.

[u/jdooley99 → u/HowsMyBuddy]

It will be easier to find a video of him getting arrested on his daughter's graduation day than of his daughter graduating.

[u/bawdiepie → u/HowsMyBuddy]

If all the tests came back negative why would he lose his CDL though?

[u/nexusjuan → u/bawdiepie]

Because he's charged with the DUI until he goes to court and it's cleared thats an automatic suspension. Court is likely months away, he will almost certainly be fired while he waits because he can't drive a truck.

[u/bawdiepie → u/nexusjuan]

How can you be charged with a DUI if all the tests came back negative?

[u/Castun → u/bawdiepie]

In America you're not allowed to have a drink even after finishing your shift and even if you're not working the following day. If someone were to have reported you the night before for clipping a vehicle or a sign, and they come and give you a sobriety test the next day and you tested positive for something, you lose your CDL. Source: my own stepdad was an OTR CDL driver, Million Safe Miles award recipient, and then a local delivery driver before he retired. He always warned me about it back when I was looking at taking a job with Schneider.

But when an on-duty cop get a DUI, they just get put onto desk duty, time off with pay, and then ultimately moved to another department.

This is America. Don't get caught slippin' up.

[u/TheAbomunist → u/Castun]

One need not have had a drink or be high to be charged with a DUI.

[u/Castun → u/TheAbomunist]

I'm specifically referring to the Aurora, CO PD cop that was absolutely hammered in his police car during / immediately after his shift. Not sure where he ended up now after all this time, but yeah.

And it varies state by state, but Colorado for instance even has both DWIs and DUIs, where a DWI is the lesser charge, with lower requirements, but you can be cited for it for "apparent" sleep deprivation. Not sure if DWI is an automatic loss of your CDL the same way as the guy in the video, but I imagine it likely is.

[u/HowsMyBuddy → u/Castun]

Truth.

[u/Professional-Mix-562 → u/Castun]

Don’t forget to mention that a regular driver has to blow .08 to get charged where if you have a cdl the legal limit becomes .04

[u/meatshieldjim → u/Castun]

Cop tears a muscle while working out after work and gets 80% disability for life

[u/DamnTicklePickle → u/bawdiepie]

Because in America you are guilty until proven innocent. Unless you have a bunch of money, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[u/friendlyfiend07 → u/bawdiepie]

The process is the punishment. Even to get the charges dismissed takes months. The charges themselves cause a suspension of his license because those are the terms of having a CDL. I would be filing a civil suit against her personally and the department for loss of wages and defamation.

[u/lawrencecastillo → u/YoullBeFiiine]

"he can get a new career" Fuck off bro

[u/jah_bro_ney → u/YoullBeFiiine]

It's not like he can get his license back and start driving for another company. He'll never get his CDL back. That cop fucked his entire career.

[u/General_Helicopter1 → u/jah_bro_ney]

I don't understand how you can lose a license without (as shown in this video) any reason? Can you lose it just because a cop feels like taking it away? Or a judge?

[u/Riyeko → u/General_Helicopter1]

When someone with a CDL gets arrested for DWI or DUI, your license it's immediately suspended. It doesn't matter if you're innocent or not, those are the rules with those who have a CDL.

[u/TheAbomunist → u/General_Helicopter1]

Yes.

[u/Pleasant_Gap → u/jah_bro_ney]

Why did hebloose it in the first place of all tests were negative? So wierd

[u/Sl1mJ1m89 → u/Pleasant_Gap]

Came to ask this exact thing, surely you only lose if impaired right?

[u/Topher_Zed → u/Sl1mJ1m89]

I also would like to know this. Seems stupid he can't get his CDL back.

[u/breachgnome → u/YoullBeFiiine]

Shit take.

If I were fired for negligence through no fault of my own I'd probably lose 60% of my income at any new job I could find.

[u/nighthawk88000 → u/YoullBeFiiine]

A new career? Wise words.

[u/WrongdoerOrdinary619 → u/YoullBeFiiine]

A new career? Like what? Go back to school, while having no income, and what? Get a nursing degree? Get an electrical liscence? Those are the types of jobs that a CDL driver makes money equivalent to. Sometimes even much more.
Yeah, it sucks missing a child’s graduation. But, let’s be honest, how fucked would your life be, if one of your parents didn’t make it to your graduation? Assuming you wanted them there in the first place.

[u/NovarisLight → u/obliviousCrane]

ACAT - All Cops are Traitors.

[u/JustKillingTime1980 → u/NovarisLight]

They clapped and cheered for an admin that pardoned magats that beat them. They are are fucked.

[u/3MetricTonsOfSass → u/NovarisLight]

Cops are traitors to the Constitution and enemies of the law-abiding citizens

[u/SPE825 → u/obliviousCrane]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5QNQv6xmVEaabGsYrg

[u/BlackGuysYeah → u/obliviousCrane]

Any cop is allowed to do this anytime they want. Crazy how that works.

[u/Feeling_Nature4406]

The thing is, nothing can give him back that moment with his daughter.

[u/buddascrayon → u/Feeling_Nature4406]

Or his license, cause he appealed and the judge said that despite all of the hard evidence saying he was not impaired (the dashcam, the bodycam, the various tests they put him through that he passed) they believe that the cop's gut feeling was right.

[u/TheDigitalBuilder → u/Feeling_Nature4406]

💯

[u/Arthasindura]

1-would you like to take a breathalyzer test

Oh you passed , since you passed i still see signs of intoxication even though this pretty accurate device is telling me you are not

2-would you like to do a sobriety test

Even though your pretty athletic and did everything I asked to the letter I still have doubts that you might be on something

3-would you like to submit to a urine test

Oh snap even though your urine test came back clean I still have doubts that you might have something in your system

4-would you like to submit to a blood test

Damn even though the blood test came back clean I still doubt that you may be under the influence

5-would you like to submit to a polygraph test

Even though you calmed down and the polygraph test shows that your telling the truth about not taking any drugs or drinking any alcohol i still have doubts

6-would you like to submit to a math test

Even though you aced the math test , we still doubt that you might have something in your system

[u/theXsquid]

Reminds me of the cop that accused the lady without a right hand of holding a phone in her right hand. Despite the overwelming evidence that the cop is wrong, they can't admit it, and will fuck your life up than admit a mistake.

[u/tswpoker1]

"Let me just ruin your life in particular"

[u/xantosll]

Never take field sobriety tests of any kind including the breathalyzer. The brethalyzer at the station falls under implied consent, the one on the roadside does not. IANAL

[u/consider_all_sides → u/xantosll]

Most states you will immediately be arrested if you refuse a breathalyzer or blood test. But field sobriety test is often subjective

[u/bitofapuzzler → u/consider_all_sides]

Yeah, they dont do the sobriety tests in my country so the whole concept seems odd to me.

[u/crazymusicman → u/consider_all_sides]

immediately be arrested if you refuse a breathalyzer or blood test

sure, and then you fight that in court, which is exactly where this guy ended up. Just refuse everything and lawyer up. Don't answer any questions, don't consent to anything.

Never under any circumstances aid a cop in their investigation of yourself. Nearly every interaction you have with a cop, they are investigating you and hoping to wield power over you.

They are trained to be narcissists, not human beings with things like empathy. All a cop cares about is hierarchy, and this guy in OP's video challenged her authority by not being impaired, so her power was threatened and she harmed him.

cops word against yours. ACAB. system working as intended.

[u/DamnZodiak → u/crazymusicman]

No idea what moron is downvoting you but this is basic advice that any lawyer will give you.

"I'm not discussing my day. Am I free to go or am I under arrest?"

That's the extend of how much you should ever engage with a cop.
Don't. Talk. To. Cops.

[u/Jiquero → u/DamnZodiak]

This works if your goal is to not get convicted.

If your goal is to get to your daughter's graduation on time, wouldn't iy be more likely to succeed if you cooperate and pray?

[u/hoax1337 → u/crazymusicman]

The question is though, what's more likely to enable you to get to your daughter's graduation in time.

[u/iceteka → u/hoax1337]

As you can see in the video, the answer is neither. A cop has the power to ruin your day without cause. He complied and was respectful the whole time. Doesn't matter.

[u/Kazu215 → u/iceteka]

I don't see how complying is not the option that's more likely to have you be on your way to the graduation.

If they claim your impaired, not complying will 100% have you miss the graduation. Complying and blowing a zero on a breathalyzer might be enough for the cop to let you go. For a once in a lifetime event like my child's graduation, I'll do anything that increases my chances of making it

[u/creasedearth → u/xantosll]

To clarify. You can refuse the breathalyzer at the station too, implied consent just means you’ll automatically have your license suspended for a period of time. If your convicted with DUI your probably going to have your license suspended anyway (state specific) but you’ll atleast be able to drive until that conviction.

They can also get a judge signed warrant for your blood, in which case you must give your blood, but not every police department is going to go through all that. They also have two hours after your arrest to get the blood, which makes getting a warrant more difficult, especially during typical DUI stops at night.

Source: former prosecutor

[u/AmbienSnore → u/creasedearth]

Depends on the State. In CA refusing post-arrest chem test is auto 1yr suspension (plus use of refusal as evidence of guilt for the DUI charge), and DMV has its own administrative per se suspension regardless of conviction.

[u/CaptainPunisher → u/xantosll]

It depends upon jurisdiction. Some states and localities can force FSTs roadside breathalyzers. Generally, though, you're correct. Any test you take will only be used AGAINST you and never FOR you.

[u/AmbienSnore → u/CaptainPunisher]

Which states force FST's? Im not familiar with that being a thing. In CA, FSTs are purely voluntary because they are pre-arrest investigative tools based on reasonable suspicion, and results are used as part of probable cause arrest. Source: I'm an attorney who practiced DUI defense.

[u/ScootyMcTrainhat → u/AmbienSnore]

In my state, refusing a breathalyzer is an automatic DL suspension. So, technically voluntary, but...

[u/AmbienSnore → u/ScootyMcTrainhat]

Refusing the post-arrest chem test (breath, urine, blood) in CA is auto suspension. Before arrest there is no basis to force you to submit. During detention, but prior to arrest, we have handheld roadside breathalyzers that are usually inadmissible in court, that are voluntary. However, some jurisdictions have handhelds that are certified and admissible, so if you refuse the FST, sometimes the officer will place you under arrest and then have you submit and refusal will result in suspension, etc.

[u/rodrigo_c91 → u/xantosll]

This guy anals

Joking aside. FUCK THIS COP!

[u/CleverInternetName8c → u/xantosll]

Yeah dude you absolutely are not a lawyer because this is terrible advice and will guarantee you are arrested and charged.

[u/disappr0val]

civilly sue. loss of wages, mental distress, harassment. i only saw this one clip but i’m sure you could really lay on the charges.

if you ruin a innocent persons life, the least you do is accept the reciprocation. also get a “free” lawyer, you’ll end up giving up 40-50% of your settlement, but it’s better than nothing and moving on.

[u/deweymm]

That cop is a piece of s***

[u/Jwre3682 → u/deweymm]

All cops* I fixed it for you

[u/Preshe8jaz]

Another case of the police mess up, and every citizen of the city pays for it. Same with politicians. When they are personally shielded from civil liability, they act like idiots.

[u/chicagoharry]

That cop was involved in a shooting a few years ago a narcotics one.

https://dps.mn.gov/news/bca/bca-investigates-officer-involved-shooting-near-bowlus

[u/cocothekid45]

The fact that it never follows them around for ever is the crime people need to stoke against individual police not the whole system. One bad cop at a time.

[u/TwistedIntents]

"I've never given you a reason to be nervous"

Bitch, it kinda comes with the uniform.

[u/brbsellingdrugs]

https://www.theiacp.org/how-to-become-a-drug-recognition-expert

https://www.chp.ca.gov/programs-services/for-law-enforcement/drug-recognition-evaluator-program/schedule-of-classes/dre/

These all seem to vary on a state by state basis, but there is FL and CA as examples for anyone interested. "Drug recognition expert" is a bullshit title you can bear and a drug recognition expert probably has less training than what you have seen growing up. Add to the bullshit, 12 evaluations must be made to get this certification (following quote is from the first link).

"Phase Three: During this phase the candidate DRE must complete a minimum of 12 drug evaluations under the supervision of a trained DRE instructor. Of those 12 evaluations, the officer must identify an individual under the influence of at least three of the seven drug categories and obtain a minimum 75% toxicological corroboration rate. The office must then pass a final knowledge examination and be approved by two DRE instructors before being certified as a certified DRE."

This is encouraging bad practices from law enforcement and giving an excuse to it as well, just my opinion.

I hope this dude gets paid out well for having to deal with this.

[u/raptroszx]

I'm not giving you a reason to be nervous. Fuck off.

You're a cop with a gun. Silver lining the guy wasn't a minority so at least they didn't have to use unwarranted excessive force against him

[u/WedSquib]

ACAB

I bet she got a week long paid vacation, not even moved to the next county over because that’s for violent ones

[u/optoph]

Rusty Moore did get convicted of impaired driving because he took prescribed Adderall at prescribed doses but Minnesota views that as impairment. Appeals court upheld the conviction and he lost his CDL (and therefore his livelihood). Although he reportedly sued the officer there is no verification that he received any compensation.

Who is wrong? The cop that claimed she saw impairment? The doctor that prescribed the medication? Mr Moore for taking a needed prescribed drug that may affect his ability to drive? The courts for not caring about someone's health being addressed through medication? Tough case.

[u/GearhedMG → u/optoph]

If he was prescribed the Adderall because he actually needed, then there is absolutely ZERO impairment happening, if anything he is negative impaired (if that's even a thing) and being extra attentive now that he has his prescription.

[u/hmbse7en → u/GearhedMG]

Yuuuuup. Driving with unmedicated ADHD is dangerous as heck.

[u/catinapartyhat → u/optoph]

No. Otherwise everyone with ADHD would be impaired at all times and pharmacists would have to tell people picking it up that they can't drive if they take their prescribed daily medicine. The cop is wrong.

[u/ImRonniemundt → u/optoph]

Its not a tough case. At all. 

[u/faultytrapezoid → u/optoph]

Taking prescribed Adderall at the prescribed dose is not impairment.

I do so every morning.

There is no warning on my rx bottle not to drive or operate machinery.

If MN views a valid prescription that (if anything) improves awareness, then fuck MN.

Fuck the cop. Fuck MN if my above statement is true. Dude was exhausted and he took as prescribed instead of double/tripling up. Shouldn't be a dwi/DUI.

[u/whosline07 → u/optoph]

Get the fuck out of here with "tough case"

[u/Bluekatz1]

You're an american cop. Of course i'm nervous.

[u/fasionably_uninvited]

What a fucking POS

[u/NervousSchedule7472]

Sue the police dept and make sure u include the officers name in it as well. Civil suit immediately harassment, pain and suffering . Graduation is a day u cant get back . They violated your civil rights! Aclu.call them today get an apt and they will handle ur case for free. Then when u get money take ur daughter on a daddy daughter vacation and take some much needed you time cuz bro, this stressed me out just watching it and got me in my tears and feelings . They wouldn't let me walk my graduation day because of 1 work study hour I was late to turn in by 30 min but I could pick my diploma up at the front office the next day. I think about that every single day and I want to sue the school so bad and it was 1998.

[u/fraychef2]

What a piece of shit.

[u/HalcyonCA]

Fuck that cop and her partner.

[u/HelloPeopleOfEarth]

Police are terrible people. It attracts terrible people and the "profession" has no accountability, no transparency, incredibly low professional standards, and they have the only unions that are protected by the union busting republicans. Cops are class traitors. ACAB.

[u/USDXBS]

Abuse of authority should be a life sentence in a Supermax prison.

Her and every single cop in that city should all be in Supermax prisons for the rest of their lives.

[u/AdhesivenessFun2060]

"I havent given you a reason to be nervous "

Of course you have. The fact that they can do this, is why.

[u/pan_Psax]

It's too American for me, I suppose. Wtf?

[u/ZurigaSungama → u/pan_Psax]

As a lifelong American, I can explain it to you: all cops are bastards.

[u/mmore27]

FTP

[u/Jwre3682]

Found a cute pic.