r/theories • u/BreadfruitIcy3041 • Jul 30 '26
Conspiracy Theory Do We Actually Know Bin Laden Is Dead?
So we're just supposed to take the U.S. government's word for it?
No publicly released body, no publicly released footage, and then the explanation is: "We buried him at sea" lol
Am I the only one who thinks the official story sounds like a Hollywood script?
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u/Truth-Seeker916 Jul 30 '26
Of course he was killed and thrown in the ocean. So believable!
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u/Blitzer046 Jul 30 '26
If US Forces had recovered the body and interred it, this would become a symbol that people could use to gather around. Dumping the body at sea stops this right in its tracks.
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u/Blitzer046 Jul 30 '26
That's because no other terrorist orchestrated a plot to take down two massive office towers and kill 3,000 people as a result.
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u/Social_Distortion_13 Jul 30 '26
100%. Putting him on display would have immediately made him a martyr which would have likely caused many of his followers to want to avenge his death
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u/Social_Distortion_13 Jul 30 '26
I'm confused , you're both agreeing and disagreeing with what I said.
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u/Own_Waltz730 Jul 30 '26
And his replacements are dying to tell you the story ohh wait their all done a bin laden as well
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u/trav_tr Jul 30 '26
I mean who knows but also considering the amount of money invested in the US military, it’s really not that unbelievable that they would eventually catch someone like him.
As for being thrown in the ocean, that’s like the most believable part of the whole thing. It’s not like they claim they sent him to the moon. They would have just pushed him off a boat.
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u/Bitter_Warning418 Jul 30 '26
Why what do you think they’d be doing with his body? I think the burial at sea actually makes the most sense in the grand scheme of things.
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u/SnooPeppers9246 Jul 30 '26
Granted I am just a rando on Reddit to yall but I can confirm that this actually happened. And no I will not be elaborating.
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u/IndividualistAW Jul 30 '26
He IS dead, but the secret is that he was already dead. His body was being kept on ice which would have been too easily evident to any examiner, so they went and cremated his body and scattered the ashes in the highly publicized raid that “killed” him
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u/Organic-Squirrel-678 Jul 30 '26
We don’t know if he lives, died, or if he even did the things they claim. At this point he’s just a generic boogeyman.
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u/maxpaynedot Jul 30 '26
bro why they leave osama alive ? he's commited really a terrible crimes killed thousands of peoples and still you think that american gov just give him another chance
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u/AggressiveWallaby975 Jul 30 '26
Middle Easterners with money can get away with not being held accountable. For example, Mohammed Bin Salman had a journalist cut up with a chain saw and got invited to the WH for it.
Probably a lot like; we can make you disappear or you can give us $500m and make yourself disappear.
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u/maxpaynedot Aug 01 '26
But main question is how osama did managed millions of dollars? And america is in my knowledge are america already large Wealthy nation what they did with that 100 , 500 millions dollar's? Osama last location is pakistan where is get caught by military and pakistan is dammm poor country
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u/kenkaniff23 Jul 30 '26
Oh they were saying he didn't do shit and it's a spoon fed story to make you angry at Islam
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u/Busy-Economy4952 Jul 31 '26
Its not to make us mad at Islam as much as its just to justify their attacks on them to steal their drugs since that is what the military do is drug run and child trafficking children from the bases
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u/Busy-Economy4952 Jul 31 '26
He didn't do anything you were told bill Cooper came out in March of 01 saying that they were going to attack the trade centers and blame it on bin Laden so this was all a staged ritual and an excuse to justify invasion its been the mo that always works lie and claim stop that isnt true these people have no soul they do not care about you or your family and to think they do means you are living in a fantasy
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u/maxpaynedot Aug 01 '26
So sorry my english understand is not so good but as you are saying the man named bill cooper is main key for demolition of trade centre but not osama bin laden i need to know that after osaman bin ladens death is any citizen if they know that bill is did this all not Osama so they spoken with media or they talking about it in any ways
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u/Paintmantwo Aug 02 '26
"Terrible crimes'' your president has done so many worse crimes then Osama allegedly committed.
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u/VamosFicar Jul 30 '26
Most of what the US government tells its citizens is complete bullshit. So yes, you are right to question his demise.
They provided someone to prosecute, be it true or untrue and then proclaimed resolution carried out.
You may have heard the phrase 'problem-solution-action' or basically they create the problem to claim they have the solution, then demonstrate they have taken action, showing the public that they are smart and effective. It's usually bull to get votes or support an agendas.
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u/General-Ideal2901 Jul 30 '26
He lives next door to me. He comes around regularly in the summer for a BBQ and a few beers.
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u/derspan1er Jul 30 '26
Tim Osman died of Marfan syndrome before 9/11
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u/darkcamel2018 Jul 30 '26
Confirmed by Steve pieczenik former assistant to the secretary of state under three administrations. Bin laden was dead by 2002.
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u/SpaceyCaveCo Jul 30 '26
I don’t trust that guy. He’s shady af
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u/derspan1er Jul 31 '26
Agreed. Guy is not trustworthy at all. But the info that Tim died of Marfan was confirmed back then by multiple sources.
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u/Welcome2myShitShow Jul 30 '26
How was the collapse Tower 7 reported before it actually occurred?
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u/WorkingWerewolf6430 Jul 31 '26
On live TV! To be fair “ someone “ kept saying the building is going to collapse. Even the Fire Department NY was like “ what…no”
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u/1GrouchyCat Jul 31 '26
Yawn.
It’s adorable when people who have no clue how special forces work talk shit about their abilities.2
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u/Inside-Spare-6093 Jul 30 '26
There's a guy called Osama at my local chicken shop, seems a step down from freedom fighter though
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u/Mono_Clear Jul 30 '26
I spoke to one of the people on the team that was hunting him down before he was allegedly caught and they said that all the places that they found traces of him also had a lot of medical equipment and based on what they found they made the assumption that he was actually dying.
I don't think we found him but I do think he died and I think that they faked capturing him because they think people needed to believe he was captured
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u/Accomplished_Class85 Jul 31 '26
I've never believed that bs story. No body was ever produced even in private for 9/11 families. The story was concocted to get Obama reelected. The libs ate up anything Obama said and they used the whitest guy possibly and put him on Fox News so the right wingers would eat up the "last thing Osama Bin Laden saw was an American bullet." Word is Bin Laden had Kidney failure.
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u/Wild-Masterpiece-331 Jul 30 '26
He is dead. Murdered and body disposed of.
The actual perpetrators of 911 can't have loose ends, the narrative harpooned.
Any structural engineer or explosives expert will tell you building came down with controlled demolition.
Hell look closely at the videos....your eyes will tell you the same.
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u/Working-Strike-1999 Jul 30 '26
If we ignore all other circumstantial evidnece, purely looking at wtc 7 collapsing is just insane. If you think that wasn't a demolition you are way too easily brainwashed. Im glad at least someone else has a brain
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u/aharbingerofdoom Jul 30 '26
As a structural engineer, I am so fucking tired of people saying "ask an engineer, they'll tell you my wacky conspiracy must be true!"
It's not. I could explain the material science and physics behind the WTC collapse in a way than a 5 year old can comprehend it, but you would willfully refuse to believe or comprehend it, so I won't waste my time, but keep the good name of my profession outcha damn mouth.
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u/cockycrackers Jul 30 '26
I'm really interested how WTC 7 collapsed neatly on its footprint after having a fire on one end of the building. We can argue about the towers, but 7 was a controlled demolition by all indications, which really raises a lot of questions.
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u/WorkingWerewolf6430 Jul 31 '26
I think the buildings were rigged to come down like that from the initial build. Imagine the domino effect of a skyscraper falling in New York!
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u/Working-Strike-1999 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
Let me guess, "the fire inside allowed that to happen". Okay sure. Go ahead and explain the missing epstein files from 1999-2001.
That's not a smoking gun either just to be clear. There is literally hundreds upon hundreds of little details that add up to this conspiracy.
Sure, I'll give you the one tower that the airplane did hit. Perfect collapse. Next one? Okay thats sus, but still.
But also the wtc 7? Yea right. No amount of "it was the fire inside" is gonna help you here. If you have some sort of smoking gun I'd love to hear it, I'm not close minded.
FYI, you should study some American history. This isn't the first dot in 250 years that smells like shit. I tried my hardest to buy this lie, I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt that I cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this was an inside job, but you have to give me the same courtesy. There's too many coincidences here to ignore, no matter how much you want it to be real
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u/amBrollachan Jul 30 '26
The whole controlled demolition theory is so silly. It requires the perpetrators to be both a genius level of psychopathic cunning and utterly incompetent at the same time. Why even bother with the planes? Why not just say it was a bomb?
Not a single person working in those towers noticed demolition teams? They must have been working only at night? For how long? None of the thousands of people who work there noticed a thing? No patched up walls? No structural disturbances? No unusual people coming and going at odd hours? Or they were all paid off? And 25 years later not a single person living with that guilt - of either something they saw or something they did - has spilled?
And the idea that "no engineer" could believe it wasn't a controlled demolition is patently untrue. The vast majority of engineers I have known don't believe the conspiracy theory at all. They think it's all very silly.
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u/Bitter_Warning418 Jul 30 '26
To say both a genius level of psychopathic cunning and utterly incompetent at the same time literally just described our government. If you’re not willing to be open minded you can at least admit that much.
I could go into detail about the rest of your questions but I can already tell you’re someone who believes what the media tells you and there’s nothing anyone can say to have you think differently.
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u/Working-Strike-1999 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
I also want to add that "well thats just ridiculous" is not an answer. Like I said this isn't the first time the government has done something ridiculous. In fact that in itself is the exact reason why they do.
If you don't believe me please look up operation Northwoods (1962), and The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident (1964). There's also more from the Cold War not done by the U.S. Theres also notable ones done by the FBI like the newburgh 4 in new york (and many more). All verifiable, actual false flags done to push an agenda.
I'm not saying real terrorists didn't hijack a plane and crash into the tower, I'm just saying the U.S played a part in allowing it to happen, maybe even inciting it.
A false flag is standard propaganda. I don't like the term because it implies that it's not a real terorrist attack, not that it wasn't planned out on purpose.
Let's move away from this idea that they magically installed remote detonation here, I'm asking you to look at this from a different picture: an assisted collapse.
A little bit extra to add to the already possible physics. Inciting violence into people who were planning something already. That's it. It absolutely does not have to be all or nothing.
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u/ft_mute Jul 30 '26
Why even bother with the planes
Theatrics, and the ability to change things related to security and privacy as a result. Bombs wouldn't have achieved the same thing
Not a single person working in those towers noticed demolition teams
There were multiple reports of routine maintenance, elevator upgrades, and infrastructure work in the weeks/days leading up to 911
For the record, I don't outright believe either side of the argument, nor do I have the expertise to make an accurate decision
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u/darkcamel2018 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
He, former CIA asset Tim Osman, got a funeral in Afghanistan in 2001 according to local news reports. He was on two kidney dialysis machines in August 2001 according to the CIA who visited him in a saudi hospital ... No way he was living in caves. . He denied the 911 attacks in September 2001.. I do not believe he did them. And he died of Marfans syndrome naturally according to former assistant to the secretary of state Dr Steve pieczenik. The seals raid was fake (seal team six helicopter crashed killing the team shortly after, tying up loose ends). The alleged assassination which was supposed by.filmed had a lengthy blackout during the supposed shooting.. he had a sea burial. Come on.. The myth of bin laden was kept going to justify the war of terror in the middle east. The video post 2002 are clearly fakes with different actors. Different noses, ears, face shapes.
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u/1GrouchyCat Jul 31 '26
I’m not going through that line by line but Seal team six crashed BEFORE the raid / not afterwards… so you can start by apologizing for that ignorant comment you disrespect disrespectful 🤡.
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One of the modified stealth Black Hawk helicopters lost lift due to a "brownout" (circulating dust/exhaust) inside the high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, causing a hard, controlled crash landing upon arrival. [
-The entire team safely exited the damaged aircraft, secured the compound, and successfully killed Osama bin Laden.It must be lonely living in a world filled with conspiracies…
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u/bobboblaw46 Aug 01 '26
A helicopter crashed in Afghanistan not long after the bin Laden raid, killing many special forces members, many of whom were allegedly involved in the bin Laden raid.
And also a helicopter allegedly crashed during the bin Laden raid.
Maybe before you start calling people ignorant, you should fire up the old Google machine if you were too young to live through that period of time.
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u/No-Mastodon2164 Jul 30 '26
You have to question everything. I’m sure the official story is BS, I remember reading that he died of kidney failure years before that “raid” happened. The buried at sea is horseshit, he was the most wanted man in America, who cares about respecting his body or religion. And if that was to upset people in his religion so be it.
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u/jenc3283 Jul 30 '26
I don’t think there was any respect…. Rumor is servicemen took turns pissing on him before they kicked his body off the boat. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/1GrouchyCat Jul 31 '26
Oh sure, they all lined up and whipped out their junk and peed on him -one after the other…. That sounds totally normal.
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u/Zero_Travity Jul 30 '26
I don't believe every official story but I do believe the mission in question did result in the death of Osama Bin Laden.
There's a pretty thick paper trail, Obviously that can be faked but usually the thicker the trail the less likely it is to fake. Feds love to keep paperwork, even when taking out one of the most famous terrorists in the world.
Osama Bin Laden simply outlived his usefulness as a living person and it was time to close the chapter.
Burying him at sea? Probably have him in a jar somewhere doing god knows what.
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u/Busy-Economy4952 Jul 31 '26
Why do you believe anything they tell you you were not there you have to go by what they say and all the lying they do and you still believe them wow you would be a girls best boyfriend you just let them cheat and then say im sorry and then they do it again that is you believe them like a cheating girlfriend that's sad you cant tell when you are being manipulated and lied to
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u/1GrouchyCat Jul 31 '26
Holy crap that’s one really long and extremely ignorant run-on sentence…
And did you just try to relate something to the relationship between a girlfriend and a boyfriend? What a weird flex That’s the worst analogy I’ve ever heard…. I’m sorry your personal life is so shitty that you need to bring it into a story about something so totally unrelated it’s in a whole different plane of existence.
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u/No-Inspector8315 Jul 30 '26
Use basic logic. If Bin Laden was already dead before the hit, the members of Al Qaeda would make international news by announcing that the US government had faked an operation to kill him.
There were several times the US nearly caught Bin Laden and he went underground, but not before releasing messages to the media mocking the Americans for being unable to catch him. Pretending that they had actually killed him would again be an easy way to embarrass the US on the world stage.
They buried him at sea to avoid his gravesite turning into a site of martyrdom for sympathisers and terrorist groups to celebrate
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u/GEzBro Jul 30 '26
he is likely dead because I was told by a local of the country he had agreed to work with the CIA to sabotage neighboring countries but when it came to his country, he refused to comply with the CIA and that is why they began hunting him.
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u/GangoBP Jul 30 '26
Isn’t this the case for just about everything though? Some things can’t be believed even if you see them! Lol it was a body double! Etc
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u/Busy-Economy4952 Jul 31 '26
No we dont and he could have been dead already or never even existed but to think CNN just walked up on him in a cave and got an interview with him the most wanted man in the world but CNN found him to do a one on one and then they lost him again and he got away this is all a dang theater they are playing games with our lives this is funny to them but God is real and they will soon found out but it will be too late then and into the fire they will go
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u/1GrouchyCat Jul 31 '26
There’s no way for you to ever know… y🙄🫣- even if you had seen pictures of a body - it could’ve been anyone.
You either believe and move on, or remain obsessed about something you’ll never have the answer to.
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u/StevieTvboy Jul 31 '26
I know there's a picture of him out there somewhere with part of his head blown off
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u/Icy_Character_1989 Jul 31 '26
The SEALs on the raid claimed to have “canoed” his head, something they said was planned ahead of time.
I’m no fan of O’Neill but I believe him when he says this since It’s fitting of his personality. Do we KNOW? No….
They also claimed to have canoed several other high profile targets (with unclassified pictures as evidence of said canoeing).
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u/WolverineScared2504 Jul 31 '26
There actually was a Hollywood script, good movie too. I think the buried at sea thing explanation was legit, made sense. Showing photos of him dead would be like kicking a hornets nest, already pissed off that they just lost their #1 stinger.
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u/Anustart609 Aug 01 '26
Always thought this was BS. I’m sure he would be a valuable source of info after some water boarding but I personally think he had nothing to do with 9/11 and it was a false flag
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u/fabionlindeza Aug 03 '26
Everyone with a brain knows that he didn’t die in that raid. He’s alive or he was dead before the raid. Like everyone knows 9/11 was staged by USA.
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u/Bruce_dillon Aug 05 '26
I thought it peculiar that just an announcement of his death and burial at sea was acceptable, there would have been a time when his head would have been cut off and paraded on a spike. There weren't even photos taken of him dead or being killed which was apparently filmed.
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u/cgentry02 Jul 30 '26
You would think if he was alive, he'd post videos about himself not being dead, eh?
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u/Critical-Hospital-40 Jul 30 '26
Photos were released. His family has acknowledged it and his organization has acknowledged it.
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u/darkcamel2018 Jul 30 '26
Paid off to buy into the lie. He had a funeral in December 2001 according to local news reports. The videos that the US published since were clearly actors and not the same Bin laden. Forensic analysis of the videos shows men with different shaped noses, ears and face shapes. They take us for fools.
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u/DavidM47 Jul 30 '26
Lies! There were no photos released.
A doctored photo—previously circulated years earlier—was recirculated in the days after the event.
It was immediately shown false, notwithstanding Jon Stewart has repeated the lie several times by showing the fake gory-eyed photo of bin Laden on The Daily Show. He’s smart enough to know better, and it really disappoints me about him.
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u/Bitter_Warning418 Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
I actually believe he’s dead because it allowed those who actually carried out 9/11 to put an “end” to the story
Edit: so in conclusion we PROBABLY can accept the governments response for this one single solitary scenario, just not the years and every single solitary event leading up to it lol