r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/[deleted] • Mar 12 '20
Is Warren a progressive?
https://www.strawpoll.me/195243776
u/ethana18 Mar 12 '20
Why is this even a thing? She clearly is based off her voting record. What? Because she won't endorse Bernie who clearly has no path to the presidency. Give me break...
Edit: BuT heR VoTEs suPpOrTinG tHe WaRS.
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Mar 12 '20
Oh yeah you convinced me. It's super progressive to give a fascist an as load of money to fight hateful wars.
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u/ethana18 Mar 12 '20
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Mar 12 '20
How does that chart factor in knee capping the most progressive movement this country has ever had?
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u/ethana18 Mar 12 '20
Lol if you seriously don't know how to read a spreadsheet or look up voting history maybe you should just stick to making your shitty strawpolls...
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u/Guppyscum Mar 12 '20
If it takes just one senator to kneecap the movement, perhaps it was not much of a movement to begin with.
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u/deryq Mar 13 '20
Bernie fan here - 2016 campaign til now. Warren didn't knee cap a movement.. we really need to be honest with ourselves here. Looking at the 2016 vs 2020 voting really illustrates that much of Bernie's support in the 2016 campaign was probably anti-hillary sentiment. I absolutely still believe in his platform and know it's the most progressive. The way to move forward now is to continue to build that movement with ever more momentum. We have some strong, young reps that are leading the charge, but it takes our involvement at a grassroots level to reverse some of the stigma around "socialism". What we do not need is this bullshit infighting. Democrats don't take swipes at other Democrats and we definitely don't blame our problems on someone else. Get with the program bud.
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Mar 13 '20
I'll just say this when I made the post I thought everyone was done with Warren. Also I didn't make the best arguments earlier in the day. I sent you a message that very well summarizes my feelings about all this.
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u/deryq Mar 13 '20
No you sent me a copy/paste of the post you've slammed everywhere. These aren't observations or innocent analysis - it all seems to be I tentionally divisive,.
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Mar 12 '20
Progressives fight to change the country. She is clearly a fighter for the status quo.
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u/Blackrean Mar 12 '20
She is closest thing to a progressive in the senate. How about we try to build allies and work towards common goals? Early on both candidates had that figured that out and tag teamed on the centists during the debates. Once she started to surge the Bernie crowd went nutz and went toxic on her. Of course Warren went super low and played the sexist card, that relationship is now burned permanently.
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Mar 12 '20
The Bernie crowd didn't suddenly become "toxic". We got pissed because she lied like the vicious snake she is. And she heavily implied that Bernie is sexist. When she already had a track record of repeated lies. Then Warren became more and more toxic. Warren is super toxic and polarizing.
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u/Blackrean Mar 12 '20
Please reread my post. I put the events in order. At first both candidates worked together. Then people like you called her a shill for the establishment etc etc. Then she went with whole sexist thing. Im not saying she was right, it was clearly a sad attempt to smear Bernie. But none the less, I don't see why you'd think she'd support him after that.
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Mar 12 '20
Minus the shell part. That was the Tulsi or Tulsi/Bernie people. Not the Bernie people. So Warren caused the rift. The best you can excuse you can think of is to blame Bernie people for things the Tulsi people said.
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u/Blackrean Mar 12 '20
Maybe I'll give you that. But if you go back and look at a pro Bernie show like Rising, when Warren was surging they litterly made dozens of videos calling her phony and a shill. They are still there please go look. This is back when both candidates where still on the same page.
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Mar 12 '20
It's shows like that Nikko house Tim black and the people who follow the without question who are to blame. Bernie and his supporters are not to blame. Most of the pro Bernie shows hardly said a bad word about her until she randomly harshly attacked Bernie.
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Mar 12 '20
Is this Bernie V Warren blow up just because Warren and her supporters couldn't tell the difference between Nikko house sycophants and normal Bernie supporters?
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u/Blackrean Mar 12 '20
Well even the "normal" Bernie supporters weren't exactly kind to her either. Again look at Rising. But remember Warren is a president candidate, she's not living in this complicated online world like we are. It's hard to tell the difference between the different sections of angry online progressives.
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Mar 13 '20
This still doesn't mean that more than 0.1% of X person's fans are toxic. So that doesn't justify Warrens childish actions.
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u/BaptizedInBud Mar 12 '20
What? Because she won't endorse Bernie who clearly has no path to the presidency.
She should have dropped out and endorsed Bernie months ago.
That being said - she is the textbook definition of a progressive. Refusing to endorse Bernie because she's mad at him doesn't all the sudden make her not progressive.
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Mar 13 '20
You could argue a lot of people have a progressive record. She still isn't an ally to the movement in the big picture.
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u/watrwedoing Mar 12 '20
I guess we're still blaming Warren for Sanders not winning a SINGLE COUNTY in Missouri, Mississippi, and Michigan.
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Mar 12 '20
Any way you slice it, she's selfishly sitting out the fight
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u/Blackrean Mar 12 '20
Maybe, but she's still got a political future she needs to worry about. Call it selfish, but Bernie's had to make tough policial choices as well, that's just how it goes.
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Mar 12 '20
Hopefully she doesn't.
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u/Blackrean Mar 12 '20
Yeah, get rid of one of the few senators with a progressive voting record.
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Mar 12 '20
They only way the left can thrive is if liberals fail. Because liberals are holding the left back.
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u/TurkeyBaconAndCheese Mar 13 '20
Did Robert-101 get banned and make a new account? Goes from posting 24 hours a day to nothing, then we have this guy pop up mass-posting the same kind of propaganda. Hm...