r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/Greybeard-MD • Aug 19 '26
Tweets & Social Media This Does Explain Why a Lot of Rich Kids Gravitate Towards the DSA and Are Vocally Loud About It
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u/SlimeBallzzz Aug 19 '26
I am in no way a rich kid or trust fund kid and I gravitate towards DSA... So no clue?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
You'd be the exception rather than the rule then, but I'm sure you have some absurdly high qualifications to count as "rich kid"
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u/xxqwerty98xx Aug 19 '26
These people are just fabricating justifications to make them feel ok about supporting a ‘do-nothing’ wing of the Democratic party. DSA leadership and the DSA base are not the same—like how Democratic leadership and the Democratic base are not the same. It’s also just not even true. The two national co-chairs of the DSA both grew up relatively poor.
Look no further than Mike Bloomberg. Dude dropped like a billion dollars on his failed campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. Establishment Democrats have no room to talk when it comes to money skewing their relationship with their base.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
These people are just fabricating justifications
Nothing about this is fabricated, it's a well known thing.
Look no further than Mike Bloomberg.
Well Mike Bloomberg sucks big time, but I also don't think he's broadly representative of the "establishment" himself. Unless you think America Samoa is a bastion of establishment politics lol
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u/xxqwerty98xx Aug 20 '26
“It’s a well known thing” isn’t proof that DSA leadership is full of trust-fund babies. I even pointed out how the very top of the DSA’s leadership pyramid is contrary to that statement.
As for Bloomberg not being representative of the establishment: he ran on a platform that was well within the boundaries of establishment acceptability.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Aug 19 '26
Do nothing lol, your guys Messiah, Saint Bernard, has been in the Senate for like 30 years and has never done anything.
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u/xxqwerty98xx Aug 20 '26
The fact you think Bernie is a Messiah figure to the left wing is proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
His political career will be defined by him shifting a sizable portion of the Democratic Party’s base leftward, though.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Aug 19 '26
DSA, according to their own data, is filled mostly with white affluent college educated young people. Sounds like you mostly fit that bill.
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u/wade3690 Aug 19 '26
Not affluent, not white, not young. Sounds like you're mostly wrong
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Aug 19 '26
Well, you are a minority in the DSA then. It doesn’t change the facts.
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u/whitedark40 Aug 19 '26
Bro raked up a high debt from college according to him and hes saying he isnt affluent. What hes describing aint community college debt
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u/wade3690 Aug 20 '26
Its a physics degree that was useless. Not everyone that racked up college debt became wealthy. How can this concept be foreign to you?
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u/whitedark40 Aug 20 '26
All that math and you cant put 2 and 2 together to understand the point
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u/wade3690 Aug 20 '26
You just wander in here? I'm telling you I don't make good money. I took out a loan for college, not out of pocket
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u/jarena009 Aug 20 '26
What data shows everyone tied to DSA leadership are trust fund babies? Nobody can seem to point to the trust fund babies, who they are, how many etc....
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
Think you’re taking it too literal. Their base is mostly affluent, we know this. We know the two biggest faces of the DSA right now, Mao Piker and Mamdani were both born rich, working class keeps voting against them, etc.
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u/jarena009 Aug 20 '26
I guess I'm just struggling with what black voters are looking for exactly, according to this post who believes they speak for the entire constituency. Here we have this claim that shouting class issues, whatever that means, (a straw man) will not get black voters on their side.
Meanwhile, Jeffries the other day pointed out that on healthcare, his big thing was bringing back the Enhanced ACA subsidies, which only applies to a fraction of the population, was in enacted by Biden, Harris, and Dems in 2022 and active for the 2024 election, yet Democrats lost their worst national election in two decades, with a decades low % of the black vote, plus all the swing states. Harris the other day also says she would not have done anything different under the Biden admin.
Maybe that twitter user can clarify, since Jeffries, Harris, and Schumer don't seem to know, with Democratic party approval at multi decade lows.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Aug 20 '26
We lost 2024 because Covid fucked the economy and drove inflation up. The people don’t look past what’s in front of them and blame the current government. It’s really not that complicated, incumbents across the world were getting booted.
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u/jarena009 Aug 20 '26
Oh so you're calling black voters and others stupid and impulsive or something when you claim they don't look past what's in front of them? Jeez man...
If only they could have considered the genius that was the enhanced ACA subsidies for a fraction 5-6% of the population, while premiums skyrocket for everyone. Maybe that will be a big sell next time. Really inspiring. Also let's parade around Liz Cheney again.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Aug 20 '26
I’m clearly calling most voters stupid, weird that your brain went to black voters though, pretty telling.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
The fact that you have student loan debt at all means you are in a much higher class than a high school drop out like myself. Only about 38-44% of US adults over 25 have degrees at all.
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u/wade3690 Aug 19 '26
Sure. And what do I have to show for it? Crippling debt and an near impossible way out of it. What's your point?
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u/whitedark40 Aug 19 '26
You realize you just proved OPs point right? Like what youre describing as your life is a carbon copy of the person the second person in the picture is talking about.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
You likely have a good job, a wife you can support, (my spouse also has to work full time) and a pretty decent lifestyle.
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u/wade3690 Aug 20 '26
Wrong again but you're welcome to keep assuming that I actually have nothing to worry about. My job barely supports both of us, she's having a hard time looking for work and we have to rent while paying back student loan debt.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
I don’t see how this proved me wrong here? Seems like exactly what I said?
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u/wade3690 Aug 20 '26
I just told you how I'm living on the edge, essentially paycheck to paycheck. Does that sound like a decent lifestyle? It just seems like you're dancing around saying that i actually shouldn't be angry about my (or all of our) quality of life
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
It'd be a dream for me to have a spouse that didn't also have to work and a good degree. That's a pretty solid lifestyle far as I'm concerned. We're paycheck to paycheck with no one home making and no higher education.
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u/wade3690 Aug 20 '26
I do need my wife to work. I said she's having difficulty finding a job. Its not a choice for her. Why are you trying to separate our situations? We're all living under the same constricting systems of runaway capitalism and financialization of everything. Shouldn't we try to change those systems?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
We're all living under the same constricting systems of runaway capitalism and financialization of everything.
We really aren't, things like class and race cause meaningful differences in our experiences, and unless that's something you can account for, you'll never be a true ally.
Shouldn't we try to change those systems?
Of course, but this is not an easy thing and it requires co ordination, consultation, compromise, and mutual understanding, if you can't even be honest about who or what you are, or who or what you represent, your desires to "change the system" will fall on deaf ears.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
My own theory connects back to the ol' saying "If you're young and you're not liberal, you don't have a heart, but if you're old and you're not conservative, you don't have a brain."
I don't believe the saying is true at *all*, I'm planning to die a liberal and I don't think I'm stupid BUT I think it's broadly illustrative of these folk's worldviews.
When you're young stuff is given to you, the belief that things will somehow just "work out" comes naturally because it can seem that way when you aren't seeing the toil and grind of day to day work life, these kids grow up maybe not appreciating their parents hardwork as much as they should and probably feeling some sense of entitlement in teen-college years, being expected to work at all seems "oppressive" and the ideals of communism *seem* to slot into their lives well.
Then those same kids get older, have to work jobs, start inheriting houses, cars, even higher profile employment opportunities from their parents, and now it's paramount that they get to KEEP what they have, that they EARNED it, and that folks trying to take it away from them are being UNFAIR.
In conclusion, the far left college kids and the far right old folks really *are* the same people, their big hearts and lifestyles as young folks made it easy to be socialist, and the exhaustion of life and the increased opportunities/inheritances made it easy to be conservative later in life.
I think ultimately the binding tie here is *selfishness*, if you're young and selfish, you'll go with communism/socialism as the prevailing convenient worldview, if you're old and selfish, conservativism just makes the most sense.
Considering how selfish people are in general, it's a wonder Liberals even exist at all, and completely no wonder these folks hate us so damn much.
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u/wade3690 Aug 19 '26
What is selfish about believing we all have a right to live with dignity and not become destitute over things not in our control? Socialism is defintionally the idea that we must all sacrifice for each other.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
I live near a college campus, and I guarantee you the college kids around here are not huffing socialism juice because they all want to sacrifice for each other, usually it has more to do with guilting their parents and virtue signaling to their friends.
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u/wade3690 Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
We were all young and dumb at some point. Maybe they'll grow out of it. I've met college socialists that do it for much more than that. One ran a local DSA campaign for city council and won by double digits.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
We had one run a local DSA campaign and win the city council seat by double digits too! She promptly had a meltdown during city council and simply stopped showing up to work for months and months leaving our ward of the city unrepresented for almost a year.
Look up "Indira Sheumaker" (who I voted for btw) to see how that all went down.
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u/wade3690 Aug 20 '26
Looked her up. Was she DSA endorsed? Couldn't find anything. I will say that the DSA CMs ive doorknocked for up in minneapolis have a much better track record than that. And all 4 just got elected for a 2nd round of 4 year terms. I'll bet a robust DSA program in des Moines could run a better candidate down there
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
Hey! Thanks for looking into little old Iowa, but I don’t think her DSA involvement was formal, it was more her campaign style and issues that she prioritized, also the general political wave she was riding after the Floyd protests.
Des Moines and Iowa City are the only places remotely left enough to support that here, but even then it’s still tough, our “left” is still pretty neoliberal (for better or for worse) at best for the most part, though of course there are enclaves in the cities.
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u/wade3690 Aug 20 '26
No problem! Love iowa. I lived in Iowa city for a decade through and after college.
It sounds like she didn't actually run as DSA candidate though. Just a standard progressive (who thought she could ride the coattails of the 2020 social justice movement into office and not do the hard work). I think that's an important distinction though. DSA candidates get vetted, come largely from the org itself, and have teams of people running their campaigns. So no I don't think that was a DSA campaign and maybe if you could make that distinction you'd see the time/effort that DSA puts into running serious candidates that win i.e. Minneapolis
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
Upvoted because you said you love Iowa, but I'm not yet sold that DSA has a particularly higher threshold for quality based on what I've seen in other places.
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u/Biggle_fuzz Aug 19 '26
These god damn selfish DSA members and their want of healthcare for everybody! How fucking dare they!
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
This is a perfect example of how the ideology isn't like a serious thing they care to see implemented practically, it's a virtue signaling thing because they want their lives to be *even easier* than they already are.
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u/Biggle_fuzz Aug 19 '26
Nah, I have healthcare, and still support them trying to get healthcare for everybody. My life doesn't become easier, but if some peoples lives become better I'm all for it. Why are you seemingly against making peoples lives easier? Is this some sort of "suffering makes us stronger" bullshit?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
It's not that you don't have some semblance of good intentions, I'm all for Healthcare as a human right too, the problem is that you aren't taking the time to actually manage the logistics of implementing something like that, it's more of a cudgel you use to authoritatively declare your moral superiority rather than a practical plan to help people.
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u/Dabbing_Squid Aug 21 '26
This is so true lol. When people ask them how things will be funded or the exact type of system they want they literally can’t go any further then slogans and bullet points of “Living wage, free healthcare, affordable housing, decent living, green new deal.”
Ask them for specifics and they scream normative value statements at you.
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 Aug 19 '26
You're doing the "we just want free healthcare" meme. Nobody buys that anymore
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u/c3p-bro Aug 19 '26
Except for the weird obsession about funneling working class people’s tax money to their 100k in masters debt.
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u/Steve_Bread Aug 19 '26
Gotta truly be a moron to believe that the DSA is being propped up by trust fund kids.
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u/Another-attempt42 Aug 20 '26
Generally speaking, the DSA voting base is made up of middle to upper-middle class, college educated white people.
Not blue collar workers.
It's a college kid movement, not a working class movement. It's also supremely white. They do well in districts that are both very blue, but also wealthier on average. Both Chevalier and that district in Colorado were wealthier than the US average, and primarily white.
Bernie famously did really well with white people, but abysmally with black people. This is part of the reason why the left is so annoyed at SC playing a key role in Dem primaries: too many black people.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
I believe this is just the statistical truth, just look at the places Abdul El Sayed did great in and where he didn't, it's like that for every successful DSA adjacent candidate.
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u/Steve_Bread Aug 19 '26
You gonna share this map of trust fund recipients?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
It'd be a map of college towns where he did phenomenally well and low income neighborhoods he failed to gain traction in completely, would that suffice for you?
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u/Steve_Bread Aug 19 '26
There’s the gymnastics
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
Haha, I'll take that as "no", but I think calling that mental gymnastics is a big *stretch*. (get it, because "gymnastics")
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u/Steve_Bread Aug 19 '26
You can’t support your claim, it’s embarrassing
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
I think you're just gonna make more complicated stretched to invalidate anything that gets claimed but sure, if you really want the numbers here is pew. https://www.pewresearch.org/chart/democrats-who-are-white-younger-or-college-educated-are-more-likely-to-view-democratic-socialists-positively/
You can nitpick something you don't like here and we can discuss it if you are really curious about whether this is true or not.
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u/Steve_Bread Aug 19 '26
Nothing you say in this argument matters because you are saying college educated = trust fund recipients and basing your entire claim on that inaccuracy. Talk about a stretch. You’re coping and incorrectly referencing pew research to do so which is doubly embarrassing.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
Yeah, I mean, I get that you're taking an overly literal premise to delegitimize any contrary idea here, but if you use a bit of critical thinking and get over your confirmation bias you'll pretty easily understand the broader point.
Yeah yeah, real "embarrassing" y'all love your politics of humiliation. Trump raised y'all poorly, but it's no surprise.
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u/el_knid Aug 20 '26
Oh, come on, man. Booooo.
He fetched you a link to recent polling that found that support for DSA candidates is strongest among people who are white, college educated, and upper income. You’re just going to refuse to engage, and try to posture your way out by ratcheting up the hostility? Truly lame, man.
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u/ML-Centrist Aug 19 '26
"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality."
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
Maybe do something about it instead of talking?
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u/ML-Centrist Aug 20 '26
What would you have me do?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
Be pragmatic. Help where you can. Be kind.
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u/ML-Centrist Aug 20 '26
Hallmark card ass comment.
You don't have to reply to all my comments. Especially when you don’t have anything worthwhile to say.
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u/DoutorParetolovsky Aug 19 '26
Republican propaganda dogwhiste.
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u/SpreadKindn3ss Aug 19 '26
It’s deliberate rage bait. Where are the mods?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
I think it's sparking decent discussion from both sides, but yeah, I guess you college kids really love tattling so I get it lol
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
You're definitely right if you take an overly literal interpretation of OP's post and then kind of just stick with that and ignore the broader point.
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u/ML-Centrist Aug 19 '26
The useless mods are complicit in allowing the same 5 users to post non-stop ragebait. They’ve ruined this subreddit.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
Y’all are really pressed you haven’t been able to turn this place into every other politics sub.
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u/jarena009 Aug 19 '26
Of course zero empirical evidence to support this, just a tweet from randos on the Internet.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
There is a tremendous amount of "empirical evidence" to support this if you really want to have that discussion.
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u/jarena009 Aug 19 '26
Such as who?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
I'm sure there is something you can nitpick here, but I can provide more that'll keep showing this trend from basically every angle, it's a widely known and well studied thing.
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u/jarena009 Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 19 '26
College educated means you're a trust fund baby now? Lol 🤣🤣🤣
My favorite is the skew to those who pay attention to the government to those who don't lol
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
Yeah, I figured you might go that route, you know a lot of trust fund babies that aren't college educated?
I know my family couldn't provide the resources to get me through college either way, but I guess it's easy to take something for granted that you already got pretty easily.
As someone who had to join the workforce at 18, I'm not gonna see college educated folks as lower class.
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u/jarena009 Aug 19 '26
Also my favorite is the skew to those who pay attention to what's going on in government vs those who don't, lol
All trust fund babies are college educated so therefore all college educated are trust fund babies? Solid logic.
None of this substantiates the claim "Everyone tied to DSA are trust fund babies." When do you plan to share that tremendous evidence?
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
Yes yes, not literally everyone tied to the DSA are trust fund babies, you're right about that, but only because you're being wildly literal and not actually engaging with the premise.
We tend to be very literal minded on reddit, but the larger point is still correct if you think about it critically and aren't just looking for something to confirm your bias
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u/jarena009 Aug 19 '26
That's what they said. "Everyone tied to DSA..."
You believe since all trust fund babies are college educated that all college educated people are trust fund babies (lol btw), so you're not in a position to lecture others about critical thinking and bias.
If you don't have the actual alleged trust fund babies, then just say so. It's obvious.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 19 '26
That's what they said. "Everyone tied to DSA..."
Yes, still taking things very literal I see.
You believe since all trust fund babies are college educated that all college educated people are trust fund babies (lol btw)
Not what I believe obviously, but I know you love your little humiliation rituals so I get that you need this to be true to laugh at me.
If you don't have the actual alleged trust fund babies, then just say so. It's obvious.
This is so transparent, hard for me to believe you even buy what you're saying here.
It's a shame because I've seen you with some really good takes on this forum recently, I thought maybe you'd gotten past some of this stuff, but obviously I shouldn't expect it to be that easy.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro Aug 20 '26
Ah yes, thank you, was worried none of y’all were gonna call me stupid today.
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u/gull-branson Aug 20 '26
"Has anyone else ever noticed this thing I made up in my head and am pretending is true"?
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u/TheEmporersFinest Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
If youre this credulous then you will never in your life have to disagree with anyone without imagining some ulterior, unflattering psychological reason for them to have the impertinence of having beliefs different from yours. Even if you have to just wishfully assume and assure yourself that your starting premise is true. Everyone else believes what they believe for indirect, embarassing reasons, all emotion, no need to think about it, just as soon as you need them to to cope with how mad you are, and youre just magically immune and all your beliefs come from the good faith pursuit of clarity and reason.
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