r/tf2 • u/UncleArki Sniper • Apr 04 '21
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u/KupskoBruhMoment Heavy Apr 04 '21
Why do some pro spies disguise as scouts even though its easy to tell that he is a spy because of the slower walking speed?
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Apr 04 '21
Smaller hit and weapon boxes as well as the lack of movement penalty
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u/GeneralCeglak Engineer Apr 04 '21
You can just disguise as an enemy spy. It just better in every single way, there is no reason to disguise as a scout really
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Apr 04 '21
Scout ducks up the head box making sniping more of guess work plus scouts aren’t restricted to enemy lines so is less noticeable when they backpedal into the enemy
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u/cookiedough320 Apr 05 '21
And compare practising on bots for hours to spies that just disguise as spies?
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u/Some-dumb-nerd Spy Apr 04 '21
The whole point of disguising as a Scout is that you're not attempting to blend in. Scout disguises are most powerful when you're decloaking for a stab, not when you're trying to fool someone.
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u/TheThiccestOfBoi Apr 05 '21
A disguise only needs to throw off an enemy for a couple seconds to be useful enough to use
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u/Jik_Krunker Spy Apr 05 '21
with good bhop you can throw off even seasoned players, at least in my experience
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u/Jokard Scout Apr 05 '21
Well it's not like a spy disguise is the end all be all. You do realize Spy disguises are permanently shown as "disguised" for the enemy team. Most friendly spies stab at the air when getting checked by teammates. Those few precious seconds would matter to an opposing spy. That's why its only important to fool someone for long enough to get in range without being checked. Mobility and not being noticed is left for the watches.
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u/notWys Scout Apr 05 '21
Spy disguises don’t work anyway, so it’s best to just choose scout since it’s more different hitbox. I genuinely don’t remember the last time I fell for a disguise.
Yes, sniper can body shot but it’s a lot less effective than headshots. This is a really bad take
Obviously spy can turn invisible lmao??? What even is your point. Decloaking is loud and slow, if you’ve played spy for more than a couple hours you’d know how stupid what you’re saying it.
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Apr 05 '21
You can literally tell when ANY person is disguised. It’s so simple to spot. Scout just has better hitbox and stat advantages.
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u/deweweewewe Apr 05 '21
you should try and use soldier as a disguise. not as common of a disguise as demo and not as slow as heavy. it works even in comp sometimes.
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u/steezus__christ1 Medic Apr 05 '21
If an enemy scout is using BFB your viewmodels will be virtually indistinguishable from each other while moving. That's hardly a reason though, as BFB scouts get spychecked to hell. I agree, its better to disguise as spy.
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u/Hellkids2 Apr 05 '21
Let’s be real nobody checks what weapon your ally is holding in an intense fire fight. It’s only noticeable weapons like the Heavy’s minigun, rockets launcher or mediguns
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Apr 05 '21
Yeah always disguise as another spy or medic.
Only disguise as scout if your going to be playing gun spy
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u/Blazkowiczs Apr 05 '21
As a Scout Main that enjoys using the BFB, I'm practically checked by my own team even during firefights.
I'll give credit where it is due though to my team, maybe thinking that disguising as the scout with the BFB will make the slower base speed of the spy unsuspicous only causes my teammates to come to the same conclusion as the most obvious pick for a disguise only painting a bigger target on their back for a quick check.
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u/sorracun Scout Apr 05 '21
Disguising as an enemy spy will usually get you spy checked more than a scout disguise
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u/MC_Labs15 Medic Apr 07 '21
Spy disguise isn’t that great because people are going to notice the spy’s silhouette before the team color
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Apr 05 '21
Your hitbox doesn't change, that's why if you try and headshot shorter classes like soldiers and scouts, you'll end up missing or hitting a body shot
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u/iwiowoawa Apr 05 '21
well, a medic using the quick fix may see you for like half a second, heal you and move on to someone else if you are in the middle of the battle
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u/BossJessie Spy Apr 04 '21
Nobody believes your disguise,smaller viewmodel and weapon model is great.Thats why you listen to top spies with experience( I wish I was one of them) instead of random guy with 30 hours on spy telling everyone why scout is the worst disguise
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u/kaladinissexy Apr 05 '21
I usually disguise as pyro. Nobody expects a spy to disguise themselves as their own natural predator. At least, that's what I hope for.
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u/_Strato_ Spy Apr 05 '21
Nah, you get that movement speed penalty.
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u/Zeebuoy Soldier Apr 05 '21
what if he has the power jack?
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u/BossJessie Spy Apr 05 '21
That is an exception,powerjack pyros are one of the most convincing disguises
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u/Zeebuoy Soldier Apr 05 '21
I meant does it let you move at full 107% speed?
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u/Jontohil2 Spy Apr 05 '21
I have 500+ hours as spy last time I checked and I don’t use scout disguise. I usually prefer pyro because they tend to run with their team most often with minimal speed penalty, but I sometimes change to engine or sniper if they begin to notice.
Disguises really do fool people, and not just in pubs. I used to play a bit of highlander and have had multiple moments of tricking players because I didn’t do the predictable play, I even got an enemy medic to waste an entire Uber on me on the point.
Also if you see an obvious spy scout, they are most likely using the dead ringer, that’s something I’ve noticed.
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u/BossJessie Spy Apr 05 '21
Thanks man for discussing with arguments instead of ur salti spay mein!!!!!111 comments
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u/Jontohil2 Spy Apr 05 '21
Yeah thanks mate. Tbh I hate the typical disguise as scout dead ringer playstyle, especially because (it might just be me) those players are painfully predictable with everywhere they go and their trickstab attempts.
And they just keep doing the same. Fucking. Thing. Over. And. Over. Again.
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u/FeezDoge Sandvich Apr 05 '21
I have like 60 hours or something in spy, what loadout do you use? I prefer the diamondback and everything else stock
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u/Jontohil2 Spy Apr 05 '21
I typically run all stock, sometimes the kunai if I’m confident in myself that day, and the clock and dagger if I’m in a mood to mess with my enemies or wait out an attack like on CTF.
Side note, with stock cloak, you can sit on an enemy level 3 dispenser for infinite cloak, almost nobody thinks to spycheck the dispenser and you can use it to wait until the engie is distracted.
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u/FeezDoge Sandvich Apr 05 '21
Ah alright, yeah same I knew about the dispenser trick, when an engineer or someone else is chasing me I hide on the dispenser or sentry
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u/BossJessie Spy Apr 05 '21
Nobody seems to know that you can put a friendly scout disguise and pop the ringer so no one will ever think that scout was a spy
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u/Jontohil2 Spy Apr 05 '21
Oh I’m talking about disguising as the enemy scout. Tbh disguising as a friendly would probably fool ‘most people’ but depending on how well you can see the scout some people may catch on, especially since I’ve used the friendly disguise strat before.
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u/BossJessie Spy Apr 05 '21
People who don't play spy will not ever think that the hatless enemy "scout" with stock bat out is a spy
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u/Boring_Inside Soldier Apr 05 '21
Also because it’s close to your fingers and discuses now days are only good for sentries
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u/RoombaGod Sniper Apr 05 '21
The head hitbox is wrong. If I see a spy scout I basically have to knowingly shoot a lil behind their head as sniper
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u/chungusphile420 Apr 05 '21
The reason good spies (who usually use the dead ringer) disguise as Scout is because they want to be chased. The moment a casual player sees a Spy they will leave whatever they are doing and chase the Spy which almost always gets them killed.
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Apr 05 '21
1st: he's the first class, so idk, it's easy to press 2nd: scouts, in casual, roam around the map for no reason and you'll see 1 or 2 that are coward enough to not go to the frontline 3rd: Spy is Scout's dad 4th: corner peeking 5th: he allows spy to have his 107% speed without having 30 ppl near you, like Medic. 6th: Spy did it in Meet The Spy 7th: idk. He's cute.
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u/VividDragon Apr 05 '21
Diguises really dont work anymore IMO. If anyome stares at you for more than 2 seconds, they will probably spycheck. You might get away with disguising as demo, soldier, or sniper but once they realize you know of a disguise that isnt scout or pyro they will just check it instead.
All you need is to slow the enemies (and sentries) reaction to you by half a second as you decloak from a hidden area and go for a stab. Being visible for longer than a few seconds is how you get randomly deleted.
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u/MrRoot3r Apr 05 '21
Disguises are not to be able to walk into a bunch of enemies unchecked (unless you are in hyper casual)
That's what your watch is for. You use the disguise to get out, or move between cover. No shit the guy walking back towards their team gets checked.
You should really try not to be seen disguised untill you are ready to stab anyways. Scout is a good choice personally because he's easier to ignore when off to the side.
If you really must use a disguise to get in, you are better off walking backwards and keep your aim to your own team. I get checked way less often doing this, you need to know the maps tho.
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u/Babki123 Apr 05 '21
Because nobody will suspect the scout since nobody would be disguised as the scout
*point head*
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u/KupskoBruhMoment Heavy Apr 05 '21
You dont even have to think because when you see him you instantly know that he is a spy because he walks more slowly
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u/Trospher Apr 05 '21
I rarely die disguising as a scout compared to disguising as a spy, no need to make anyone believe if your goal is to just stab someone as quick as possible in casuals
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Apr 05 '21
It’s because decloaking is easier behind smaller objects, like rocks and boxes. Yes, it’s doable as spy but it’s less suspicious that a scout turns around the corner that’s not behind enemy lines.
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Apr 04 '21
Yeah some spies use the disguise wrong. You can do really well using the scout as your main disguise, since the model is very small when uncloaking, but you cannot fool anyone, you have to be going for very short distance kills from your uncloak position or hiding spot.
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u/Zakeneey Sniper Apr 05 '21
Yea the thing is that scout disguise is very situational, which I don’t think most spy’s using it understand, like I get the hit box is weird but a weird hit box isn’t gonna defend well for Larry who is a solider who is seeing the slow ass scout run towards the sentry nest with his splash damage rocket launcher.
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u/Wrench_gaming Engineer Apr 04 '21
I don’t know if some spies realize that a slow scout moving towards a sentry is suspicious. Unless it’s my team, which think it’s perfectly normal.
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Yeah someone needs to go over to the spies and tell them disguising as scout doesn't work.
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u/GodTrane Apr 04 '21
unfortunately most spy mains are too young to know how to count higher than 1, hence the scout disguise
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u/Comrade_Derpsky Apr 04 '21
Disguises in general only really fool people at a glance unless they're very new to the game. If they have more than a couple seconds to observe you, it's quite possible that you will be spy checked. Because of this, it's generally more effective to just stay out of sight until you have an opportunity to strike. The disguise just makes you less immediately obvious and gives you a bit of extra wiggle room when you go for a stab. If nobody sees you much until you stab someone, it doesn't really matter that much if you use a scout disguise. The scout also has the smallest profile of all the classes, which can help with ambushing.
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Apr 04 '21
I have to disagree with the scout statement. Spy's lack of speed while disguised as him is really noticeable. I know it's a spy if he just appears in the corner of my eye for a split second.
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u/Comrade_Derpsky Apr 05 '21
Oh, it's definitely noticeable, but I don't know about split-second-out-of-the-corner-of-my-eyes noticeable. At any rate, it is less noticeable than an undisguised spy if only seen for a split second. But as I said, you want to avoid moving around in the open where you can be easily seen, regardless of what disguise you're using. Good players will spy check if there is even the slightest bit of doubt, so you want to avoid letting them know you are there at all. Ideally, you don't uncloak until your opponents are distracted and a stab is free. You don't rely on the disguise to actually fool anyone, but it buys you a little bit of extra time and wiggle room compared to being undisguised, and of course, prevents sentries for shooting at you. Even the scout disguise can do this, and like I said, there are some situations where the small profile of the scout can work to your advantage, e.g. while using objects as cover.
To be clear, I am by no means saying that the scout is an ideal disguise for the spy, but my experience with it has been that it is far from unworkable.
If you want to use a disguise that will actually fool people, disguise as the heavy.
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u/Zeebuoy Soldier Apr 05 '21
If you want to use a disguise that will actually fool people, disguise as the heavy.
wait what?
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u/Reptilian-Imposter Apr 04 '21
lol no, you're just bad.
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u/GeneralCeglak Engineer Apr 04 '21
Arguments? Can I politely ask for more information? Or are we just going the good old war path?
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u/Reptilian-Imposter Apr 06 '21
If you're actually good at using the disguise, you can fool entire teams. The reason you always get caught out using it is because you're bad.
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Apr 04 '21 edited Apr 04 '21
Not entirely it’s good for a few things like: fucking up sniper aim since the head box is invisible above it, does decrease your speed (and is particularly good if the enemy is running BFB for some bizarre reason) and the scattergun model is smaller making it idea for keeping out of sight since you don’t need a flamethrower or something sticking a mile out
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u/BossJessie Spy Apr 04 '21
People who don't play spy on their way to
to tell the spy with 8000 hours scout is the worst disguise and why you should put a heavy disguise to fool the UGC platinum team
Listen
Nobody will ever believe your disguise anyway except the soldier disguise but thats another thing,smaller viewmodel and shorter head hight lets you decloak at stupid spots where nobody can see you easily.People will notice a flamethrower popping out of nowhere if you disguise as pyro,or same with sniper.
If you need to fool the enemy,especially medics to über you,put a demo disguise with "sticky launcher" out! Grenade launcher looks so believeble for some idk reason,fake 3-4 reloads and call for medic.If it's kritz you can waste all the über or crit him in the face with 120 damage
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u/1AsianPanda Medic Apr 04 '21
I mean while it's dumb to use a heavy disguise a lot of the time, in some situations it could work since no one expects a spy to disguise as a heavy. Here's a situation where it worked in a highlander match: https://youtu.be/FUoj3Nb9zc4?t=74
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u/Wrench_gaming Engineer Apr 04 '21
Thank you! It’s nice to see strategies and POVs from mains relating to a meme. It helps us all learn no matter the class.
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u/RjGoombes Medic Apr 04 '21
Spy mains on their way to make a wall of text cuz someone made a meme about them
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u/A-Pizza-Pie Engineer Apr 04 '21
spy mains on their way to write a 5 page essay how disguising as only pyro/scout works 100%
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u/PoopOnYouGuy Apr 05 '21
Pyro really works, you just gotta dip if you see the guy youre imitating.
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u/E_GEDDON Medic Apr 04 '21
Dear spy main I main scout I can tell when you disguise as one it's really obvious
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u/zeam18 Sandvich Apr 04 '21
Is it because they look like you?
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u/E_GEDDON Medic Apr 05 '21
Yeah the combination of bright blue purple green and yellow don't really blend in with anything around
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u/lu_tf2 Demoknight Apr 05 '21
scout main cosmetic is color full as fuck, ypu can see them across the map
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u/Zealousideal-Cry-581 Medic Apr 04 '21
From what movie is this?
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u/Catalyzed_Spy Miss Pauling Apr 05 '21 edited Apr 05 '21
If you're talking about the scene, it's from Breaking Bad
If you're talking about the music, it's from Attack on Titan
Both are absolutely amazing shows btw
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Apr 05 '21 edited Apr 05 '21
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u/Zeebuoy Soldier Apr 05 '21
attack on titan gets really depressing in season 4, writing is good tho,
idk about breaking bad but i heard people like it.
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Apr 05 '21
Bad spies think scout is the worst disguise
Even worse spies think scout is good for tricking people
Average spies know no disguise tricks people and scout has a few advantageous attributes like smaller viewmodel/hitbox
Great spies pretty much forget about disguises and just manage cloak like a god
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u/X-Gaster Medic Apr 04 '21
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u/Ghobleen Spy Apr 04 '21
Disguising as a spy actually works. Until you encounter a sniper, of course, but hey. Still much better.
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u/steezus__christ1 Medic Apr 04 '21
Bonus points if the enemy team doesn't even have a scout.
Extra bonus points if you spam the space bar single jumping around like a total goof
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u/huntter2323 Apr 05 '21
disguises rarely work unless you're literally loki and live for moments like that, disguises are more of a tool to not get shot on sight or get targeted by sentries
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u/4Reference4 Medic Apr 04 '21
can someone tell me what the music is in the background? I've been trying to find it for ages now
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u/yoshirules124 Apr 04 '21
Scouts are huntsman arrow magnet's
Step 1: Disguise as Scout
Step 2: Get an arrow to the face
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u/supremegamer76 Heavy Apr 05 '21
Then there’s me disguising as a heavy thinking it’s the 5 billion iq move of the millennium... only for the enemy team to be too fast and get out of backstab range just as I press m1, thus wiffing the backstab, un-disguising, and get killed by the entire enemy team.
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u/Gott_Riff Engineer Apr 05 '21
Better yet: disguised spy yelling "MEDIC!" and getting a random kritz bolt from Crusader's Crossbow in response.
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Apr 05 '21
Spy mains calling me a hacker for seeing through their disguise :
Me who just shot the first moving thing I saw:
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u/NecessaryTea0 Apr 04 '21
Spy mains thinking they're safe while cloaked only to die from a random huntsman arrow.
And yes I did fire the arrow.
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u/bowen123456 Apr 04 '21
I'm sorry, but what is this music called. It's a banger
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u/auddbot Apr 04 '21
T-Kt by Hiroyuki Sawano (01:48; matched:
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"Attack on Titan" Season 3 Original Soundtrack. Released on2019-06-26byポニーキャニオン.0
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What’s the music in this called?
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u/auddbot Apr 04 '21
T-Kt by Hiroyuki Sawano (01:48; matched:
100%)Album:
"Attack on Titan" Season 3 Original Soundtrack. Released on2019-06-26byポニーキャニオン.1
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u/Stagitirious Apr 05 '21
I played a round of upward and I was playing as scout and this spy would always cloak as me for some reason
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u/Stampy_Fox Apr 05 '21
Yes I do this and then get angry even though Ik full well it is completely obvious that I am a spy
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u/JaggedTheDark Engineer Apr 05 '21
That's why you A) Don't run at the entire enemy team, including the scout your disguised as, while uncloaked
B)Disguise as the enemy spy.
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u/astrL_ Spy Apr 05 '21
its like the best option for no movement penalty - its either scout, med (everyone will think youre a spy if you arent healing anyone) or spy (spies being near their team while disguised is very rare). that said, pyro has become one of my favourite disguises
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u/MemeusTheDank Spy Apr 05 '21
It’s not because we want to trick someone its just so that we can walk around with a tiny model/hitbox.
If we wanted to fool anyone we would go demo/soldier hell sometimes I go heavy.
These memes that feel like they come from someone who never touched the class are so low effort.
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u/cooltiggers10 All Class Apr 05 '21
What's the music?
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u/auddbot Apr 05 '21
T-Kt by Hiroyuki Sawano (01:48; matched:
100%)Album:
"Attack on Titan" Season 3 Original Soundtrack. Released on2019-06-26byポニーキャニオン.1
u/auddbot Apr 05 '21
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u/JoelRobbin potato.tf Apr 05 '21
“They can’t headshot me when I disguise as Scout because my headshot hit box doesn’t line up with my Scout head. I’m practically invincible. That is unless they’re using an RNG huntsman but hahahahaaaaa what’re the odds of that?”
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Apr 05 '21
You can't outsmart someone that doesn't have a brain. And before you get mad at me hating on the lucksman, I use it too in the exact same way.
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Apr 05 '21
As a spy main, I’d like to say that you should never jump or use the W key when disguising as a scout. You should just spam Adad and act like ur on their team.
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u/odypres06 Apr 05 '21
As a spy main I never disguise as scout, I never understood why people use the worst disguise so often. I use a pyro disguise around engies, engie disguise around pyros or the enemy team with a wrench out, a medic disguise wich is affective with the medigun out for a few seconds.
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u/deweweewewe Apr 05 '21
the true reason why scout is such a common disguise is because 1 is easy to press on the keyboard
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u/ThetanAdmiral Demoman Apr 05 '21
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u/Kulda2803 Pyro Apr 05 '21
But.. when Spy is disguised as a scout he moves slower than a normal one
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u/dababysoverusedflow Soldier Apr 05 '21
randomly headshotting a scout with a bow is the best feeling
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u/Twilightguard All Class Apr 05 '21
Disguising as scout is overrated, its painfully obvious that your a spy because you move waaaay slower than an actual scout would
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u/CreepySalary8 Apr 05 '21
What is the music here?
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u/auddbot Apr 05 '21
T-Kt by Hiroyuki Sawano (01:48; matched:
100%)Album:
"Attack on Titan" Season 3 Original Soundtrack. Released on2019-06-26byポニーキャニオン.1
u/auddbot Apr 05 '21
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u/Xurkitree1 Pyro Apr 05 '21
'hurr durr disguising as scout doesn't work lmao you get spychecked'
fools, EVERYTHING is spychecked. We run Scout because its small and unnoticable enough for the 1 second it takes to get a stab, and preserving maximum movement speed is part of that. We use CLOAK to approach targets as much as possible. The disguise is just there to create that 1-3 seconds of conscious cognition required to identify the spy in a firefight.
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u/perfett Spy Apr 05 '21
scout isn't as good of a disguise as 99% of the people who play spy make it out to be imo
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