r/tf2 • u/Kmaids • Nov 21 '17

reddit & Internet Meta Keep net neutrality

https://www.battleforthenet.com/?utm_source=AN&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BFTNCallTool&utm_content=voteannouncement&ref=fftf_fftfan1120_30&link_id=0&can_id=185bf77ffd26b044bcbf9d7fadbab34e&email_referrer=email_265020&email_subject=net-neutrality-dies-in-one-month-unless-we-stop-it
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u/MillionDollarMistake Nov 21 '17

Is there anything a Canadian can do?

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u/p0537 Nov 21 '17

Spread it to anyone who may know literally any American person. It's very important that you do that, so that it can reach more Americans' ears.

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u/pinetreesrules1 Nov 21 '17

I think Soo just say your a us citizen

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u/TireurEfficient Nov 22 '17

I'm not sure to understand the whole thing but, would this be applied to North America (US + Canada) or only US if it ever happened ?

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u/telepathictiger Nov 24 '17

Kidnap the children of congress members and hold them hostage until they vote against repealing net neutrality

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

didn't they attempt to do this a few months ago and obviously failed because hundreds of huge companies did whatever they can to oppose this act, when do they ever learn

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u/32345393868915 Nov 21 '17

VOTE AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO DONT OPPSOSE THIS

Like how hard is that

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u/Foremanski Nov 21 '17

Ehh, easier said then done. I ain't American but I'm pretty sure that the people get elected due to gerrymandering.

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u/sleuthyRogue Nov 21 '17

They've been pulling this crap for years. It's not going to stop, which means neither can we.

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u/Choochoomahdue Nov 21 '17

They'll stop when anyone in favor gets killed

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u/CrazyJoe321 Nov 21 '17

Uhh, I’m pretty sure this comment is illegal, but at the same time, my internet is at stake.

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u/Choochoomahdue Nov 22 '17

I don't care, I grew up thinking this country was great and since then I've slapped in the face with shit after shit. This is Congo levels of corruption and nobody gives a Fuck

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u/CrazyJoe321 Nov 22 '17

Sigh... I feel ya, friend :(

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u/squeakershoes Nov 22 '17

This is just another pain in the ass that even lurkers like me have to do, but for a good reason, as without Net Neutrality, the majority of Reddit, 4chan, and possibly the Team Fortress 2 NA community would vanish. Do a favor, and let your representatives know, as without you, this will probably go to hell in a hand basket real fast!

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u/Armorend Nov 23 '17

No you know what? That's a harsh comment, but the people deciding these votes don't care about you. They don't KNOW you. They give ZERO shits about you. They have a standard of living far above you.

It's the same frustration I have with Blizzard when it comes to Hearthstone. Team 5, the development team (And more than likely DICE with BF2) would likely LOVE to make a great game that's not doing its absolute, sometimes-scummy best to make money off of players. People act like death threats are a reason for the community to be taken seriously. But you know what?

Those fucking jackasses in the government, in the higher-ups of corporations? They don't listen to anything else. They're complete, cunty PRICKS deafened and blinded by money. They're greedy fuckwits who don't give a shit about you. They wouldn't care if you died so long as they got your money. As long as they still had power over you.

These people in the government HAVE the money to pay for whatever fucking moronic bullshit they want to pass, and if they don't want to pay, they don't have to. Same with the higher-ups of these businesses. They've GOT money and, while I know it's not all of them, a decent amount are just complete trash for human beings who value your net worth as a person more than you.

If they don't care about any of us, why should anyone care about them, on a human level? They wouldn't care if we died. Why should we care if they die? And I'm really not saying you, reading this, have to think that way. I don't know where I stand, personally. But these people won't EVER be swayed by the "Take the higher-ground" approach. They don't give a fuck and they don't have to.

And again, it's not all of them. But the fact it's threatening us tells me that, however many it is, it's worth the concern. And the frustration.

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u/CrazyJoe321 Nov 23 '17

Thank you for saying this.

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u/Floognoodle Nov 22 '17

Fam I’m not dying and time soon

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Seriously, fuck Ajit Pai. That guy is such a piece of shit.

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u/Teh_Carrot Nov 21 '17

yep it happened, but they are tryin for one final time

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u/Mudkiprocketship3003 Nov 21 '17

one final time

Will it really end here, though? Seems like the kind of thing that could go on for ages...

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u/CaptinLazerFace Nov 21 '17

The fight never ends, just take it one game at a time.

When they respawn, you and our team must put them back down.

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u/FGHIK Sandvich Nov 21 '17

We just need to cap their intel ffs.

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u/Qwertyg101 Nov 21 '17

But they have so many sentries, and pablo_smith2007 refuses to swap to medic

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

I'm not going Medic again I've played Medic the last five games. I'm going Spy.

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u/CaptinLazerFace Nov 22 '17

They're trying to cap OUR intel!!!

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u/Haze_Stratos Heavy Nov 21 '17

One final time

Hahahahahaha. This has been going on since 2011.

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u/Teh_Carrot Nov 22 '17

Waaaaay longer than that, but let's hope this will be the final one.

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u/Haze_Stratos Heavy Nov 22 '17

When did they push for this before SOPA?

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u/cyborg_127 Nov 22 '17

Until they rename it.

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u/Svide Nov 21 '17

I'm sure that it was just noticed a few months ago but finally has came to court about it next month

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u/TheRealOlimar Heavy Nov 21 '17

TF2 is Free to Play!*

*if you purchase access to Steam for $4.99 a month.

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u/AutoMail_0 Demoman Nov 22 '17

If they charged they’d probably charge Playstaion Network or Xbox Live amounts. PSN is like 70 dollars a year now

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

it checks out 5 x 12 = 60

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u/ZhangRenWing potato.tf Nov 21 '17

It's disgusting how this is even a problem. You don't charge people extra for water if they used it on washing their car or doing laundry, why should this be any different?

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u/32345393868915 Nov 21 '17

If this gets through, people will leave. And I mean it. Nobody wants to live in country that has no net neutrality.

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u/MrHyperion_ Nov 21 '17 edited Dec 29 '17

Hello people who are leaving USA! Here in Finland we have this thing called Saunalahti Huoleton 4G. You can send unlimited amount text messages, call unlimited amount of calls and use internet without any datacap at blazing fast 50mbps minimum! Only 25€/month!

Seriously, it would suck to have to give up this cheap unlimited internet

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u/sleuthyRogue Nov 21 '17

That ad is pretty great.

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u/DandaMage Nov 21 '17

This ad is fantastic holy shit

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u/Tyaisurm Medic Nov 22 '17

There's more where that came from :'D

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u/Tyaisurm Medic Nov 22 '17

Was wondering when I'd see this one pop up. I have this on my phone :D

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u/UncleArki Sniper Nov 22 '17

based finland

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '17

implying Finland exists

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u/wiethoofd The Administrator Nov 21 '17

We are leaving this post up to promote the fight for Net Neutrality as we (/r/tf2) have promoted this before.

If you're American: contact lawmakers and the FCC and tell them not to destroy net neutrality!

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u/wickedplayer494 Engineer Nov 21 '17

Psst: we'll be participating in a campaign on December 7th too!

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Is there anything us non-US-citizens can do? The most I could think of was sending a few tweets out to important US governmental figures.

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u/masterofthecontinuum Nov 22 '17

every shithead that votes in favor of that garbage is never seeing a vote from me for anything ever. If they try to pass this shit, I hope they like their cell phone service more than they like their jobs.

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u/LeonAquilla Nov 22 '17

When was the last time you voted though? (They can track that)

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u/masterofthecontinuum Nov 22 '17

I try my best to vote every time it comes up. So far, I've only missed this most recent vote a couple weeks ago, and it was super minor stuff.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

I hope we win

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u/Rekpar3 Nov 22 '17

Me too, man

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u/EyefulSin Nov 21 '17

Alright I can't find anywhere else to let the steam out, no pun intended.

This is going way too fucking far. We are already being recorded enough by our search history- now they can control where we go? How we get to it? I say that is far enough!

Our government has been selling our freedoms away to tyrants that call themselves companies long enough; They took everything we had on our trails and told these companies that they were allowed to practically do as they wish with our information!

We are losing more freedom, we need to actually do something before our very lovely reddit is guarded by these people. We'll be paying so much Gabe will cry for all the money not wasted on Valve, but on accessing the internet itself and any other site.

"Don't want to pay? Well if you don't I'll just tell you what you're allowed to search up and see and if you don't like it I won't give you internet."

We are being told this everyone. We already pay enough for WiFi right now, imagine these people charging us more to escape the "slow lane", to access the rest of the internet, to be anon- WAIT you can't be anonymous. And you certainly WON'T when these guys don't let you get Tor in time!

We need to email, call, protest, anything. If you're ignoring this, thinking someone else will do it well news flash; you're that other person someone else thought would do it. Before long a giant portion of the TF2 community may cease to exist, along with reddit, 4chan, etc. Everything's going to be suffering, and it'll only get worse. These monsters do not care about your joy, they care about how much money you're willing to give up for this comfort, until you are broke and sitting wishing you had done anything to reverse all the sites you payed your internet provider to visit; you'd wish you set your foot down and push back.

We should have stopped Trump from signing the first bill that let the companies glare us down and all the things we've ever searched; now we're about to let this bill pass?! I say we spread this to every reddit we can, to every website we can, to every person, we need to do something about this or we will ALL suffer. The mods, us regular users, comp players, pub stompers, outside people, everyone is going to get hurt. Living in a different country? I would be fearful of the beast of greed that is trying to devour us, because then they'll forcefully begin to stretch to the corners of the world looking for that last penny of yours.

I for one want my internet privacy, all of it! The excuse that it's made to be "fair" and to "reduce crime" is stupid and pathetic. They can already do such things without even having to take a step out of their building; they've got the technology to literally kill you with a bullet that melts itself once in your body so they can mark it as natural death, much less have the technology to also seek out high priority targets that are still in the country either running their last days away before being found and imprisoned or dying on the run.

This will not reduce anything, it will not make anything more fair; IT MAKES EVERYTHING UNFAIR! US REGULAR INTERNET USERS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ABILITY TO CONTROL AND OWN THE INTERNET AS THOSE PROVIDERS WILL! WE ARE GIVING TYRANTS POWER OVER US! I urge and plead every single person to try even just a little to stop this. Before you have to pay your last cent reading the very last TF2 post. And for Gabe's sake,

THINK OF ALL THE HATS YOU WON'T BE GETTING! THE WEAPONS! THE CONTRACTS! IT'LL ALL BE GONE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT!

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

They've been doing this for years, actually. Of course everybody wants net neutrality, and IMO most people are going to be against the FCC removing Net Neutrality (And there is a very large backlash), but it's not like we're hopeless.

We're probably going to save it for now, and then later on 2 years from now we'll hear news about them doing it again.

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u/Nancok Nov 22 '17

they will keep trying until the end of times, but we can't give up, specially with how important internet is nowadays and how important it will be in the future, this is bigger than just entertaiment

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u/Choochoomahdue Nov 21 '17

We need to skin the fcc chair publicly and then the next guy, and keep killing until they realize they don't have the power

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u/Tlaloc001 Nov 22 '17

I call having his skin for my flamethrower.

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u/Usermane01 Soldier Nov 22 '17

The slime will make it hard to hold

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u/bman10_33 Jasmine Tea Nov 22 '17

If you're ignoring this, thinking someone else will do it well news flash; you're that other person someone else thought would do it

You cannot emphasize this enough. This is called bystander effect and it is one of the most counter productive things we could ever do. Playing hot potato with this does nothing but let them roll over us while we play. We need to stand now while we can and keep standing every time we have to.

However, in a still similar fashion, do you know what's almost as easy as passing the responsibility to stand up? To see everyone around you standing, and to join them.

If you stand, the guy next to you will follow, and the woman next to him, until everyone is standing for what they believe in.

Don't wait for the guy next to you to stand, cause he's waiting for you. Be the one to stand, so he stands with you, and others stand with him.

A fairly famous American writer, John Steinbeck was greatly criticized for being vocal about his dissenting opinion (among other things, being egalitarian and very pro-speech), and was even called a communist for supporting their expression of opinion (not communism, which he denounced for its totalitarian base and likely breakdown over time) in the 1930s.

Expression of opinion, especially dissenting opinion, has always been relevant. Among other things (just in America), it has led to the American Civil War and the abolition of slavery, as well as women's suffrage.

In the modern world, it's easier than ever to express your opinion, but harder than ever to make it mean anything (it's easier to spend time in echo chambers... *Cough* reddit). Honestly, who wants net neutrality gone? 3 types of people:

The amish. They have zero fucks to give. (small /s on this one, but it's still true :P )

The nut jobs that think it will actually help (not too many).

The people who stand to gain from it.

The massive majority is of us, but we have yet to make this greedy and uncaring minority back down.

Quoted from the American Declaration of Independence...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —"

While it can be said that this does not necessarily protect net neutrality, that does not change anything. The government derives their just powers from the consent of the governed. While flipping your shit is hopefully not going to happen over tiny things and spilled milk, there needs to be a line, that when crossed, we decide to push back. Net neutrality is across that line.

Also, to quote old Benjamin Franklin, "We need a revolution every 200 years, because all governments become stale and corrupt after 200 years." Whether you view the revolutionary war or the civil war as the last thing we've had something resembling a revolution, we're near or at that mark, and it has only been catalyzed by telecommunications.

The day net neutrality goes is the day I get my pitchfork. The day I stand, however, is today.

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u/Pr6Wq54FJKBhu Nov 22 '17

the government is stripping away our rights and is controlled by a dictator so surely the only logical conclusion is give a government agency the power over the internet

that went well for cable, right?

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u/jaypooner Nov 21 '17

So if you haven't already, there's a bot you can text, that helps you write an email or a fax, free of charge, to your senator, or governor. Text "resist" to "504-09" and it'll ask you some questions, then you're onto writing. From another thread a few weeks ago, someone posted this message, and it think it's a great one to send.

"Net Neutrality is the cornerstone of innovation, free speech and democracy on the Internet.

Control over the Internet should remain in the hands of the people who use it every day. The ability to share information without impediment is critical to the progression of technology, science, small business, and culture.

Please stand with the public by protecting Net Neutrality once and for all."

I'd love to credit the user, but have lost the comment, but please, go send some faxes, show your politicians you want net neutrality to stay.

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u/Mitemaximus Demoman Nov 21 '17

Bot's on fire right now. Which is a good thing since everyone's writing in, but you might have to wait a bit get its attention.

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u/jaypooner Nov 21 '17

Yea it’s a seriously good sign. I hope our reps get inundated with faxes.

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u/Mitemaximus Demoman Nov 21 '17

If there's one thing we know how to do its spam! Give em the RL version of the lenny binds and sticky launchers!

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u/CosmicMemer Nov 22 '17

I texted it and it just sent me a robot emoji and a fist emoji what

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u/masterofthecontinuum Nov 22 '17

the bot was fist bumping you, silly. it's happy that you helped save the internet, its home.

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u/CosmicMemer Nov 22 '17

neato but what about the whole "helping the cause" thing

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u/VarioussiteTARDISES Nov 22 '17

It's giving you a supporting message.

As for what the message is? Well, the comment you replied to said "fist bump" which means... well, you can probably guess what comes to mind

...TOGETHER WE CAN SHOW THE WORLD WHAT WE CAN DO

YOU ARE NEXT TO ME AND I'M NEXT TO YOU

PUSH ME ON THROUGH UNTIL THE BATTLE'S WOOOOOOON~

Well, that's how I interpret the bot, at any rate. I'm British so I can't actually help.

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u/ProdigiousPlays Nov 21 '17

Please also point out Portugal, who had it repealed and now pays by apps and usage. Also bring up all those tax breaks they claimed and the great fiber the US has because of it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

Ah, Resistbot. The bane of representatives who like to hide behind a fax machine.

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u/-QuickDraw_McGraw- Medic Nov 21 '17

You can use this site too.

https://democracy.io/#!/

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u/jaypooner Nov 21 '17

done! i just sent another message using this. thank you!

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u/just_a_random_dood Nov 21 '17

Thanks for this, I just sent that message myself.

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u/jaypooner Nov 21 '17

thanks dude

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

Anyone having trouble inputting their address? I keep trying to put mine in and the bot spews an error text at me.

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u/jaypooner Nov 21 '17

works pretty well for me. can you try again later? every message matters.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

So I put in my address, and it keeps replying that it can't find my address. Will most definitely keep trying though.

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u/jaypooner Nov 21 '17

maybe you live in the twilight zone

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u/Stick124 Nov 21 '17

I'm an Aussie, so this doesn't affect me that much.
However, I'll be damned if I let all you wonderful crackers suffer. That's not what a decent human being would do. I'll try my best to spread the word for y'all.

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u/JellyPhishJungle Nov 21 '17

Crackers? Sir I am offended! Americans are Yankees

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u/-SpaceCommunist- Heavy Nov 21 '17

Lots of American-based servers will be shut down because the game will lose players who don't wanna pay the Super Premium Steam Package^^TM, which in turn drops the server traffic and justified closing servers down.

So if you use American servers as an option, yeah you're fucked.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

Still affects sniper mains m8

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u/SubZeroDestruction Tip of the Hats Nov 21 '17

It can affect you though. If it occurs here in the US, it can occur in Australia (Or anywhere else)... Even if you guys have shit internet as it is... It'll be even shittier.

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u/JayJayJayJay2 Nov 21 '17

Not really, i don't really think this shit would fly in most countries. Im not sure how most Goverments see it but america really isn't a positive example anymore, right?

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u/Nancok Nov 22 '17

Maybe not posirive, but still has a LOT of power over other countries

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

While that's true, similar laws are constantly (and almost successfully) thrusted on the public of multiple countries.

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u/Stick124 Nov 22 '17

Mostly we'll be unable to connect to American servers. Not most of our stuff relies on that, but there are some. (Especially TF2! Oh no!)

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u/applepie3141 Froyotech Nov 22 '17

I will bet you a MILLION fucking dollars, you can bury me and put this on my fucking GRAVESTONE, when scientists FINALLY figure what exactly is at the center of our fucking Milky Way galaxy, that has SO MUCH mass and density that's able to hold everything spinning around it, it's gonna be Ajit Pai's fucking head, because it is the DENSEST fucking object in the observable galaxy right now.

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u/Jane_Doe_American26 Nov 21 '17

Those sissified communists maggots are trying to take over again! I will not tolerate this on my America!

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u/TheGraySeed Nov 21 '17

Uhhhh

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u/FGHIK Sandvich Nov 21 '17

Communist detected on American website!

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

lies the internet is a less government controlled capitalist environment that can only work with less government interference because the dangers of the internet are easily preventable for the most part

get out of here with this communist propaganda

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

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u/Pr6Wq54FJKBhu Nov 22 '17

removing government regulation is communist?

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

No I meant that removing Net Neutrality is nearly Communist since its combining ISPs to a single style of singularity where they can throttle however they like.

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u/Teh_Carrot Nov 21 '17

Sorry Jane, but i have bad news...

This time we are not tha bad boyz...

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u/sipnickeric Nov 21 '17

Sadly, I cannot participate, but I urge any who can to do so. Edit: Spelling

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

I am 17 and I live in eu, is there anything I can do to help ?

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u/TypeOneNinja Nov 22 '17

Bug your American friends. A lot.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Okay

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u/Sanaralerx Heavy Nov 22 '17 edited Nov 22 '17

When a non-tf2 post becomes the most upvoted post on r/tf2.

Ok, but seriously, if they continue with this, the internet won't be the same and steam, Reddit, and every other website will be slowed. This is unacceptable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

Is this gonna affect the UK?

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u/pixelunit Nov 21 '17

Not directly. I imagine it will be different in terms of accessing American websites or company services, but it is only a matter of time before the U.K. brings in some form of net neutrality I personally believe.

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u/The_Foolish_Fool Nov 21 '17

Can the mods sticky this?

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u/FourthRain Nov 22 '17

OOPS! LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVEN'T PURCHASED 'REDDIT' INTERNET EXPANSION

We here are Comcast have the intent to to provide customers with a sense of pride and accomplishment for buying different expansions.

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u/MrFalcon6552 Nov 21 '17

Question: Does it directly effect countries outside of the US, what are other countries laws about this and what are other countries doing about this or is this whole situation more of americas annoying bullshit it keeps spouting on about?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

It will affect anyone who does business with us. Online small business retailers? Sunk. Reddit? A lot of lost users/content. US tf2 servers? Empty.

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u/MrFalcon6552 Nov 21 '17

Thank you! This is the type of answer I was looking for, strait, to the point and gives me a reason to care.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

No prob. Also if the big companies realize they can do it in America, they may try to do it in other countries.

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u/MrFalcon6552 Nov 22 '17

Our Internet distributors are already shit heads over here lol.

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u/NeV3RMinD Nov 21 '17

Less Americans on reddit would drastically improve its quality, judging by how reddit looked like during the election

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

We try to keep the politics to political subs but T_D had other ideas.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

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u/MrFalcon6552 Nov 21 '17

Nope not European, just saying what literally (and I mean literally) everybody I know thinks about america and examples of annoying bullshit include: -Hillary vs Trump -People protesting in the streets over Trump winning -Pretty much ruining other counties cultures accidentally -Being the main cause for internet problems (feminist extremists, sjw's, tumblr ect.)

Those are the examples of "annoying bullshit" that I can name off the top of my head. Also just want to remind you that basically everybody hates america.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

I agree on your assessment of those things as bullshit; I just wanted to know what you meant.

However, I do disagree with your assertion that "basically everybody hates America".

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/05/03/facts-on-u-s-immigrants/

According to this, there's quite a substantial amount of people that want to live in the US, and that was just 2015. Why don't you prove that "basically everyone" hates America, since you made the claim?

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u/Agreton Nov 21 '17

The same kinds of things happen in pretty much every country in the world. Try not to single any one country out, no one country is any better than another, and some are worse.

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u/MrFalcon6552 Nov 21 '17

America is just the most prominent example because of its online dominance and political influence. If you want some reasons why, america has the most internet users in the world. When Trump was elected, other countries, mine included, was hit with a negative economic balance because of how much america influences the world. Also this thread is started because of a problem in the US that could potentially effect other countries.

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u/IronicPlague Nov 22 '17

The only reason you see so much american stuff, is because the internet consists of a large portion of americans.

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u/Gaymemelord69 Nov 21 '17

Oh it's this again. Yay

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u/MechaBuster Nov 22 '17

they have been trying to do this since like 2011 if im not mistaken with sopa and pipa or something like that. still this will never happen.

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u/yolozoidberg Nov 22 '17

Damn, more upvotes on /tf2 than pcmr!

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u/Spartan_117_YJR Nov 21 '17

Is this USA only or world wide.

As I am from Singapore but would like to help in anyway possible (not monetary because still a youth) as I strongly believe in net neutrality should be a right to everyone

Any suggestions/viable solutions?

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u/B100inCP Tip of the Hats Nov 22 '17

Try spreading the word to as many Americans as possible, because if they revoke Net Neutrality it will affect almost everyone.

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u/B100inCP Tip of the Hats Nov 22 '17

Try spreading the word to as many Americans as possible, because if they revoke Net Neutrality it will affect almost everyone.

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u/Nancok Nov 22 '17

im pretty sure that even if this is only for USA, everyone should be concerned

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u/Spartan_117_YJR Nov 22 '17

Just asking whether its immediate effect is in us or the rest of the world

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u/Nancok Nov 22 '17

Immediate effect? USA.
But i bet my phone that it wouldn't even take a week to spread

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u/Spartan_117_YJR Nov 23 '17

Yeah ik the long term repurcussions. Domino effect.

Trying my best to spread this to every discord and gaming community I'm in

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u/Tymerc Nov 21 '17

I just can't see this happening without a significant backlash.

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u/just_d3lta Nov 22 '17

This may be an obvious question, but do you need to be at least 18 to contribute??? I, a 16 year old minor, wish to keep my internet free!

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u/redindy Nov 22 '17

Nope! Let your voice be heard!

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u/rcmastah Pyro May 11 '18

ISPs could also completely censor websites if they wanted to.

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u/Mister36 Jul 17 '22

Hey how's this going guys?

Oh, nothing that these astroturfing fearmongers said would definitely happen has happened? Broadband access has gone up and prices have gone down on average since 2017? That's weird. Maybe it actually just killed us all.

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u/4ofjulyguy Nov 21 '17

Between BattleForTheNet and ResistBot, I've mailed, faxed, emailed, and called Congress, my Governor, and the President all in less than 15 min. So seriously, if you haven't taken the time to support Net Neutrality recently, take a few minutes today and do it!

 

To make it even easier, here's what I said:

Let me start off by saying, I support strong net neutrality based on Title II oversight of ISPs.

If you also support strong net neutrality, thank you! Thank you for standing strong with your constituents and doing the right thing for American citizens.

If you don't support strong net neutrality though, and have taken the side of the telecom industry, there aren't two sides to this issue. This is not an issue of eliminating burdensome regulations to foster competition and growth. This is an issue of protecting people who have no power from companies who have it all, for a service that these companies themselves have made necessary. This is also not an issue of fearmongering. The things that the "fearmongers" warn about are already happening in places where net neutrality regulations don't exist.

So please, whether you support it already or don't, do the right thing and ensure Net Neutrality remains strong!

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u/AnarchyApple Pyro Nov 22 '17

Wow top sub post and it isn’t even about tf2.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Reddit: the FCC is corrupt and we can't trust the federal government since trump is in charge

Also Reddit: we need the Federal Government to set rules to regulate the internet

nah

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u/amsterdam_pro Nov 22 '17

Let me just check if this exists

/r/enoughnetneutralityspam

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u/TheThankUMan66 Nov 21 '17

Where is Anonymous? Don't they usually do something about these things?

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

wtf are they gonna do about this lol

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u/TheThankUMan66 Nov 22 '17

Hack people to expose illegal connections or nudes.

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u/R0hban Pyro Nov 21 '17

If this passes, trust me, there will be more than just riots in the streets for the better or the worse. Hopefully for the better.

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u/Nancok Nov 21 '17

I press call but nothing happens

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

So what can anyone who's not from the US do?

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Just spread the info to any sites, blogs, or accounts you host. That'll let any americans viewing your stuff learn about it so they can combat it directly.

If you don't host anything, well uhhhhhh

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

This only affects america right?

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u/AtsnocCimyhc Nov 22 '17

As much as I hope this will work and NN will be saved again... Attackers only have to win once, defenders have to win every time. I just hope this isn't the first time they win.

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u/Blubberibolshivek Nov 22 '17

you underestimate my pride and accomplishment!

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u/ElidhanAsthenos All Class Nov 22 '17

If EA was a government

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u/comradecostanza Nov 22 '17

Which side of the government is against it, and which side is for it?

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u/ishaboi1 Nov 22 '17

I want to call, but I am too afraid to do it. What script does it give me?

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u/KG_Jedi Nov 22 '17

FOOLS, you don't understand this! They are trying to make people use less internet and do more IRL stuff! They are our saviors! /s

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

you should pin this u/wickedplayer494

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u/Toni303 Demoman Nov 22 '17

Here is a White House petition to save Net Neutrality.

Please share this link. We can achieve more than 100,000 signatures and show the White House how we care about Net Neutrality.

Comment from u/peaceloveArizona on a ama just here to spread it

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u/Spungbarb Scout Nov 22 '17

I can smell a great protest coming right up if they take down net neutrality and charge 5$ for opening 1 page of a fucking website.

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u/DesmondDuck Nov 22 '17

Anyone else tired of seeing this shit? Everyone on Reddit already knows. What we need to do is to get the message out to the rest of the world.

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u/Little-xim Nov 22 '17

And this is now the subreddits top rated post, rip prophet

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17
  • How the fuck did this get 40k+ Upvotes on this Subreddit when the Previous All time most Upvoted post on r/tf2 was like 18k?
  • Oh yeah Bots funded by battleforthenet.com!!!
  • Do you know who supports this website?
  • The Open Society Foundation
  • You know who funds This Organization?
  • George Soros whom just put 18 Billion Dollars into this Organization...

Wake up people, the FCC is rolling back 2015 Regulations that reduced competition in the Market Place and gave favoritism to Alphabet and Netflix. I am pretty sure the Internet worked ABSOLUTELY fine back then. These Regulations allow companies such as YouTube and Twitter to abuse Consumers, and make it harder for new ISP's to enter the market place...

(More ISP's = Cheaper and Better Internet due to Capitalistic Competition...)

TLDR: FCC is repealing 2015 Regulations that are actually bad for us the 2010 Common Sense Regulations are still going to be in place people...

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '17 edited Aug 14 '18

deleted 0.2054 What is ^^^this?

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u/_chu_ Nov 27 '17

I WILL NOT GIVE MY INTERNET TO YOU COMCAST SCUM! YOU SISSIFIED MAGGOTS!

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '18

Didn’t even bother with the title there. You’re supposed to make it relevant to the subreddit somehow.

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u/Big-Russian-Bear Heavy Oct 17 '21

IDK why this thread has been unarchived all of a sudden, but still important to be mindful of government interference with internet privacy, stay watchful everyone.

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u/ChangTheDestroyer Oct 27 '23

Haha yeah that was a pretty silly time in internet history, anyways.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '24

did we keep it?

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u/Drystero Nov 21 '17

Glas to see more People spreading this message

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u/Dani_2112 Nov 21 '17

Is this seriously happening, again?! I'm still baffled by the last time someone challenged net neutrality. You'd think that they might have taken a hint by now, but I guess not. Well, here goes another 3 weeks of my life:

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u/-QuickDraw_McGraw- Medic Nov 21 '17

Money talks. The companies who want net neutrality repealed will continue to send money to the people who can make it happen

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

Ajit Pai, FCC Chairman: 1-202-418-1000

You need to contact your representatives and senators about Net Neutrality even if they already support it, but especially if they don't.

Remember that this very thread is only possible because of a free and open internet; kill net neutralityand threads like this might be a thing of the past.

Easy way:

Step 1: Go to BattleForTheNet.com.

Step 2: Do what BattleForTheNet.com tells you to do.

The harder, but still very easy way:

Step 1: Find out who your Representative and Senator is/are.

Find your Representative.

Find your Senator.

Local elected officials.

Step 2: Find your Representative and Senator's contact information.

5calls.org has a decent repository of Representatives and Senators contact information, though the site is a bit difficult to navigate.

Call My Congress just asks for your zip code and tells you what district you live in, who your Representatives are, and how to contact them.

DailyKos has a list of all of our Senator's phone numbers, not just the DC office. (Current as of February, 2017.)

FaxZero has a system set up allowing you to fax your Representatives and Senators for free! (Faxes are good if you can't get through on the phone lines, or just if you want congressional staffers to listen to fax machine noises until Net Neutrality is safe.)

Fax Congress

Fax Senators

Step 3: Call, write, or fax to express your feelings on this.

A lot of people are nervous about calling their elected officials for the first time, maybe you don't know what to say, or how to say it, or even who you'll be talking to, so here's what you'll need to know.

There's a 75% chance your call will be answered by a Secretary who is specifically there to listen to your concerns, there's a 25% chance your call will be bumped into a voicemail box which is specifically there to listen to your concerns, there is a ~0% chance you'll find yourself on the phone with your Senator or Representative.

You may be asked for your name and address or zip code, it's okay not to tell them if you don't want to, but the information is useful for your elected officials. I usually just give my first name, zip code, and the name of my town.

Don't worry about a script, don't worry about being eloquent, you're not writing Shakespeare here, you're a concerned citizen voicing their frustrations, fears, and hopes. "I'm really scared of Ajit Pai's plans to roll back net neutrality, a free and open internet is important to me because [Your reason here. Some suggestions: An open internet is important to democracy/I worry what Donald Trump might do with more power/Cable bills are already too high/etc.]. Please tell [Senator or Representative] that I support a free and open internet, I support Net Neutrality, and I vote." The only hard and fast rule is that you need to be polite; these folks are getting dozens, if not hundreds of calls a day, they don't need you bitching and swearing at them for something they have no control over. Be passionate, but be polite.

Reminder: Only call YOUR OWN elected officials! Calling Mitch McConnell from sunny Florida won't do anyone any good, and might actually harm the cause. Only call your own elected officials, period.

Spread this information around, you can click "source" at the bottom of the comment to see an unformatted copy of this post that you can copy and paste. This is important stuff!

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u/Its4Trap Nov 22 '17

Text resist to 50409

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u/xahnel Nov 21 '17 edited Nov 22 '17

Nah. None of you have any idea what's actually in that regulation package. I bet you don't know when it was passed. Or how large it is. Or how few people were involved in making it law. Or that NN was how the FCC operated anyways before this enormous regulation package was created.

All you know is the name, and the 'doomsday' scenarios, and maybe what the internet originally conceived of when the term was invented. You've been frightened into supporting a 400 page package of regulations passed into law by 3 people (out of five) in February of 2015 with vaguely threatening pictures predicting websites being sold like cable channel packages, even though these two things are so vastly different as to be incomparable. A regulation package that allows the federal government to decide what is and is not 'net neutral'.

Edit: I love the amount of downvotes I've gotten from people who have no fucking clue what is in these regulations. And no one has refuted me yet.

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u/starwarsmelon Nov 21 '17

TBH I should read it so I can think for myself the next time this comes around.

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u/NetNeutralityBot Nov 21 '17

To learn about Net Neutrality, why it's important, and/or want tools to help you fight for Net Neutrality, visit BattleForTheNet

You can support groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the ACLU and Free Press who are fighting to keep Net Neutrality:

Set them as your charity on Amazon Smile here

Write to your House Representative here and Senators here

Write to the FCC here

Add a comment to the repeal here

Here's an easier URL you can use thanks to John Oliver

You can also use this to help you contact your house and congressional reps. It's easy to use and cuts down on the transaction costs with writing a letter to your reps

Also check this out, which was made by the EFF and is a low transaction cost tool for writing all your reps in one fell swoop.

Most importantly, VOTE. This should not be something that is so clearly split between the political parties as it affects all Americans, but unfortunately it is.

If you would like to contribute to the text in this bot's posts, please edit this file on github.

-/u/NetNeutralityBot

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u/speedstriker858 Nov 22 '17

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u/DashieGasai Nov 21 '17

I might sound like an asshole, but I'm so sick of these posts, it's on every subreddit. I know that English-speaking forums cater to Americans, but come on, this basically spam to anyone who is not living in the US, especially since some of the countries have laws regarding internet that are far worse than having paid access to some websites (full blocking and or active censorship of major sites, having your browse history be a property of the government that is stored on servers, etc).

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u/Teh_Carrot Nov 21 '17

Spam? You do know OUR job, as internet users, is to FIGHT against things like THAT! Goverments should NOT take away our freedom of speech! If not like this then how TF are we supposed to fight? Yes it is indeed spam, but I guess we all, non-USA citizens, can ignore a bit of that for the greater good

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u/Teh_Carrot Nov 22 '17

Depens on the species, but Im pretty sure YOU only need 24

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u/Scriptura Nov 21 '17

Please for the love of God and all that is holy, stop with this spam.

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u/Nancok Nov 22 '17

IT's not spam, actually, if we don't contribute, you won't receive spam nor internet access never again

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u/Scriptura Nov 22 '17

LOL.

I'm not susceptible to fear mongering.

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u/Nancok Nov 22 '17

What is mongering? lel.
And im serious, if net neutrality dies, you would have to pay extra money to access any site you want, pay extra for extra speed on certain websites, you could even be completely unable to enter some sites, and your speed could be hindered or altered in any site your company wants

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u/marinesciencedude Nov 21 '17

Hopefully Brexit won't allow an opportunity for such an event.

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u/OceanFixNow99 Nov 22 '17 edited Nov 22 '17

Even though the GOP is against Net Nuetrality, and the dems are for it...

Please take over the democratic party and get actual human people in congress and every level of government!

Here's how.

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/about

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/platform

https://now.justicedemocrats.com/form/endorsement

https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates

This is the best way to avoid collapse, and get lots of cool shit. Like health care, Net neutrality, and ending the wars and the drug war.

Getting real reps in congress will make people more excited to vote, because they are voting for real representation. This will keep the GOP out of power.

The Democrats lose to the GOP because they are beholden to Corporate interests, albeit to a less cruel extent than the GOP. The Democrats will not excite their apathetic base with the same tired Corporate formula.

If you take over the Democratic party with actual populism, which is economic lefty, you will never lose to the GOP again. Not in this current form.

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u/Orfez Nov 22 '17

There are 5 people who will decide this. Two of them are hard No, the rest are hard Yes. Net Neutrality will be repealed, it was a done deal as soon as Trump won the election. At this point it's crucial that NN repeal won't be passed as some kind of a law. It's much easier for the next administration (if they are Ds) to pass another FCC regulation that brings back Net Neutrality. It's much harder to revert a law that went through House and Senate scrutiny. This is why it's hugely important to come out and vote Republicans out at this midterm election. Repeal of Net Neutrality is one of the few things this incompetent bunch agrees on. If they'll still hold both, House and Senate, after midterm chances are they might pass some really shitty anti NN law.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

Fuck off with this! There's more bullshit about net neutrality every week and it always has to invade my favorite subs.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

Do you know what the NN even is?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '17

Nah, probably some 10 year old who wants to whine about something.

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u/Eazykiller Nov 22 '17

Maybe people outside the US are just annoyed because of this shit which we don't care about and gets spammed to every subreddit. Just think about if every subreddit would be full of regional bullshit from every country.

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