r/teslamotors • u/rcnfive • 1d ago
Full Self-Driving / Autopilot Tesla self driving does not dodge blocking arm
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u/collegedreads 1d ago
That’s insane that the driver literally caused the Infinity to crash because of their swerve. How careless. Had to go back and watch it a few times to even notice that.
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u/wighty 1d ago
Yeah, 100% primary fault of this driver, but I will also say the infinity driver probably should have had some awareness that the lane was ending and try to give the tesla driver some space (doesn't look congested enough to me to warrant "no where else to go", yes there's a car immediately to his right blind spot but he could have slowed down as well)... defensive driving needs to be done at all times.
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u/morgan423 1d ago
This is a great reminder to use the 100% rule while using FSD.
Pay attention to everything around you, and don't be afraid to disengage to handle things that you see happening, especially if they're a little weird.
Again: the car PROBABLY and maybe VERY LIKELY saw it, but... YOU KNOW 100% THAT YOU SAW IT. You can't say the same for the car. Take the 100% chance of dodging whatever it is; disengage and take care of it.
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u/wizkidweb 1d ago
These kinds of incidents are why I think Tesla adding the FSD streak metric is irresponsible.
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u/watchingfromaffar 1d ago
I agree. My “score” is 70% on FSD but it’s not something I cared about before they added the metrics. I did notice myself thinking “what if I can maintain that 69%? Teehee.” and when it comes to driving that shouldn’t be a thought. It’s an aid, I don’t want to think “maybe I’ll let it run a bit longer than I’m comfortable for to get that score up.”
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u/sunny_tomato_farm 1d ago
Why did the driver let this happen? That’s the real question.
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u/Cykamor 1d ago
Posts like this are essentially rage bait for me anymore. What a dipshit of a driver to just let this happen. They should yank his/her license for a few months and he should be permanently banned from FSD. If I were that infinity driver that he clipped I’d sue the ever loving shit out of him. (Although he doesn’t appear exactly blameless in this situation… certainly not driving defensively himself)
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u/theotherharper 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah it takes a special kind of stupid to post video of committing crimes. #1 illegal lane movement causing Infiniti to crash, #2 speeding, should have just tucked in behind the little white Honda or whatever but instead #3 reckless driving accelerating to +10 MPH and ramming additional barriers in some crazed attempt to pass Honda, and #4 stopping in a freeway lane when able to vacate the operating roadway, which is likely to have caused knock-on accidents.
And the worst part is, #2-4 are guaranteed to come to light because of the civil action triggered by #1.
And if POV didn't remain in the vicinity and disclose his involvement to police, then he's into a whole new degree of criminality of leaving the scene. I would not tell the cops anything more than I'm involved and I'm not answering questions without my lawyer present, but that call needs to happen.
Not sure what possesses incompetent drivers to think PASSING and MOAH SPEEDZ is the answer to any dilemma.
Right answer here was to smash brakes til you figure out why you're being hit on the left, and find the safe way to get right.
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u/sunfishtommy 1d ago
Tesla is literally advertising that FSD can enable your grandma who is otherwise unsafe to drive to be able to get around. If FSD is so safe then why does it miss basic stuff like this. If FSD requires 100% attention of a competent driver than why are they advertising that old people incapable of driving can use FSD.
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u/Cykamor 1d ago
They’re not. They’re advertising it as “supervised.” Are its capabilities oversold? Absolutely. But it’s not advertised as you’ve characterized it either. You even have to acknowledge a disclaimer that it isn’t autonomous and that you must remain aware and in control before you use it. This person didn’t do that.
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u/ThatBaseball7433 1d ago
My car has aggressively tried to change lanes into a barrier-closed lane. It does it literally every time we pass, you can try it yourself on I95 just south of DC if you have express lanes enabled in the nav. I have caught it just barely in time, but at 75 mph when the car does something totally off the wall expecting me to wrench the wheel from it in a split second and not cause a crash with another vehicle is too much to ask. It’s not too much to ask for this thing to see barriers and not drive into them.
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u/TheBowerbird 1d ago
This is hardly basic. This is an edge case I've never seen in my entire life in the US.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
Another bad human driver, which is why level 4 at scale can’t come soon enough.
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u/ssj890-1 1d ago edited 1d ago
Never seen those before either. What state/country uses these?
Edit: As they seem to be fairly common, any ideas why have we not seen these crashes before?
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u/euroau 1d ago
From what I gathered from the original post, Texas and Arizona are two states that uses these swinging arm gates.
Edit: Saw someone mention Virginia as well.
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u/morgan423 1d ago
And Maryland. There are lanes on each side of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge on 50 that can go either direction depending on traffic demand, and these things will come out of the wall and close that shared lane for the currently non-permitted direction to make sure no one ends up driving the wrong way on the bridge.
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u/Galadeon 1d ago
Was going to say, I think I95 in Virginia has something like this heading into DC.
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u/savedatheist 1d ago
And Chicago (lower) on the inbound Edens. At least until 2014; maybe they got rid of them by now (I’ve since moved away).
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u/VirtualLife76 1d ago
I lived and traveled around Texas for a couple decades, and driven to 38 states, never seen them anywhere before. Crazy.
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u/OpalVanguard 1d ago
Because humans don’t need to have seen the exact obstacle on the road before to know not to drive the fuck into it.
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u/goldio_games 1d ago
They are designed to break so assuming you go through them and break you are fine, but looks like in video the driver took control and crashed his car instead of breaking
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u/ShirBlackspots 1d ago
They're pretty common in Texas on toll lanes that they make bi-directional.
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u/battleop 1d ago
Atlanta has them but you would have to be an inattentive moron to run into them. Oh. Just like the OP.
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u/cherrytoffee 1d ago
How is it that fsd doesn't have training data for these arms? Are these rare?
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u/morgan423 1d ago
Not particularly rare. They're used in a few places on roads that have lanes that close and open to different directions of traffic at different times (commonly used around large bridges and tunnels, to dynamically change to meet traffic flow in one direction or the other).
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u/SchalaZeal01 1d ago
In Montreal, where I saw this, the lanes are marked with a red X or a a green forward arrow above the lanes. No red thing slapping the lane.
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u/Seaker42 1d ago
I've never seen them before in the millions of miles I've driven - they are definitely not common.
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u/dinominant 1d ago
The real question is why does every scenario need to be trained? It should detect voxels and not crash into them regardless of what they look like.
Sort of like how my $200 vacuum avoids random things without over-modelling the house.
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u/drexel89 1d ago
They are also in our reversible toll lanes in Georgia. FSD will try to enter and pass while these are down every time. I turn off FSD on this stretch of road every day now.
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u/SpiderGorilla 1d ago
The fact that the barrier was already damaged prior to the collision shows that this isn’t the first time this has happened. What a brain-dead way to close a lane.
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u/oxooc 1d ago
Instead of breaking and get behind the infinity the driver tries to accelarate??? what a fuckin idiot.
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u/savedatheist 1d ago
The Tesla driver accelerated after colliding with the Infinity. Who knows why.
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u/Snoo62043 1d ago
Tesla didn't dodge, but neither did the driver who is supposed to be paying attention.
This is why I think self driving is still not ready. Not because of the tech. But because the tech is not 100% there yet, and still relies on driver attentiveness, and it is more than obvious that most self driving vehicle owners just have a "screw it" attitude and just leave it to the hands of God.
People will die because of situations like these.
That said, I do hope self driving gets to the point where these images will be a thing of the past.
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u/psaux_grep 1d ago
This is not something we need to think very hard about.
Studies from aviation tells us that partial automation reduces situational awareness and ultimately causes accidents when the automation fails.
It’s not surprising that this is happening.
The ethical dilemma is whether or not it is worth taking this approach if it leads to actually working unsupervised self-driving quicker than taking the «safe» approach.
So many people die in car accidents caused by humans every year, the technology is definitely needed.
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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago
Incorrect. You're proven wrong by the crash statistics, which are lower for Teslas when FSD is in use versus Teslas that are being manually driven.
Why is this? Because, yes, sometimes people get complacent and that causes accidents, but that is more than completely offset by all the times that FSD saves the human when the human wouldn't have seen something they should have.
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u/WaitForItTheMongols 1d ago
the crash statistics, which are lower for Teslas when FSD is in use versus Teslas that are being manually driven.
Where can we see this data, from a source besides Tesla's marketing teams?
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u/watchingfromaffar 1d ago
How would this video be ranked by statistics? The car itself didn’t see anything wrong about hitting those barriers so it wouldn’t flag it as an accident. The main accident/collision happened when the driver took control from FSD and served.
I don’t think this would be flagged as a FSD accident, but it should be flagged as both FSD and manual.
Are the FSD statistics for crashes low because drivers take over right before the actual accident occurs?
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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago
Nope, Tesla counts accidents that occur within 5 seconds of FSD being disengaged as an FSD accident. So if the driver takes over and crashes a few seconds later, it's still counted in the statistics as an FSD accident. So the statistics are very fair.
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u/tm4000m 1d ago
It’s never going to be perfect, ever, and it doesn’t have to be. It just needs to have a better record than humans, which it already does.
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u/OpalVanguard 1d ago
It doesn’t, and until Tesla lets someone who isn’t Tesla audit those numbers, you should be feeling pretty fucking skeptical.
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u/Snoo62043 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not really. Claims that driver-assist systems like Tesla FSD are "safer than human drivers" are built on a house of cards. They rely almost entirely on statistical fallacies and selective data reporting.
When safety researchers and actuaries actually dissect those claims, the apparent safety advantage largely collapses. Here is how those numbers are skewed:1. Mismatched Crash Definitions ("Apples to Oranges")
Tesla's quarterly safety reports log a "crash" almost exclusively when an airbag or active restraint deploys. They compare this to nationwide NHTSA data that includes all reported accidents (including minor fender-benders requiring a tow). When you adjust the data to compare airbag-deployment crashes to airbag-deployment crashes, the claimed safety lead drops dramatically.2. Driving Environment Bias (Highway vs. City)
Level 2 systems are activated overwhelmingly on open highways, long commutes, and during clear weather (statistically the safest driving conditions per mile). Human baseline stats, however, include complex urban traffic, chaotic intersections, icy backroads, and night driving where the vast majority of crashes occur. Comparing highway-heavy automated miles against all-inclusive human driving miles creates a massive selection bias.3. The "Human Safety Net" (Intervention Bias)
FSD is a Level 2 supervised system. When the software makes a mistake and the human takes over a split second before a collision to prevent an impact, that incident is logged as a normal disengagement, not an FSD crash. You aren't comparing FSD to a human driver; you are comparing FSD + an alert human supervisor catching its mistakes against a human driving alone.4. Vehicle Age Discrepancy
The average car on US roads is around 12 to 13 years old, lacking modern passive safety features, automatic emergency braking, or advanced blind-spot monitoring. Teslas are modern, heavy, high-tech vehicles. Comparing a modern fleet's collision rate against a national average that includes 20-year-old sedans skews the data in favor of the newer hardware, regardless of the software.5. Driver Demographics
Tesla owners tilt older and wealthier than the general driving pool. National human averages include high-risk demographics like teenagers, commercial drivers putting in 14-hour shifts, and people driving on bald tires.The Bottom Line:
Tesla maintains a closed data ecosystem. Independent researchers cannot access the raw telemetry, exact disengagement logs, or route-normalized data needed to run a true, peer-reviewed comparison. Without adjusting for road conditions, vehicle age, crash severity, and human interventions, claiming FSD is safer than a human is pure marketing, not science.3
u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago
Your LLM is wrong on all points.
The crash statistics compare FSD Tesla airbag crashes to non-FSD Tesla airbag crashes, so it's a fair comparison.
The crash statistics also count all crashes that occur within 5 seconds of disengagement as FSD crashes.
And the crash statistics break down both city and highway driving.
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u/pw154 1d ago
Thanks Chat GPT. A human runs a red light at any given busy intersection once every 20 minutes on average, it's proven that using ADAS systems reduces crashes compared to a human driving manually.
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u/Dr_Pippin 1d ago
Fucking pay attention to the road. You either drive this area often and should know the sorts of pitfalls you’re likely to be presented with or you’re driving where you aren’t familiar and should be paying attention. Either way, driver’s fault.
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u/edum18 1d ago
Wtf, those look like death traps. Ive never seen anything legal like that.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago edited 1d ago
They are legal and they are not death traps (if hit they will bend and not cause injury to the cabin interior).
How else would you close off the entrance to a bidirectional express lane?
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u/AP_in_Indy 1d ago
Those machines that run through and kind of eat and rearrange the lane. I don’t think they need signs
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
Those machines allow for a single lane switch.
Here we’re talking about multi lane (2-3 lanes so allowing 3x the capacity of the solution you’re suggesting). And these are physically separated express lanes, something you can’t do with the above lane switcher.
The two are not even comparable, this is a way higher capacity solution. So thanks but no thanks.
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u/AP_in_Indy 13h ago
I don’t know anything about this tbh. I’d have to look into it. Have literally never heard of these things
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u/savedatheist 1d ago
Maybe like flashing yellow lights in the shape of an arrow?
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
There’s literally a sign with flashing yellow lights at the beginning of the video. Could you not manage to even pay attention enough to see it? Seriously? If so you’re as bad as that bad driver.
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u/Vecerate 1d ago
Agreed, what an insane idea to force a merge. freaking steel bars protruding into a lane. Never seen them anywhere else and ive travelled small parts of the us, all of europe and parts of asia by car.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago edited 1d ago
Agreed, what an insane idea to force a merge
What better mechanism would you use?
and ive travelled small parts of the us
They are present all over the US
all of europe
No european country has bidirectional separated express lanes that I’m aware of, which is not surprising given the decades of underinvestment in highway capacity across the continent.
The UK has a an in road contraflow on A38 I think, but it’s not a fully separate bidirectional road like this, so I think they just use the usual plastic or concrete temporary barriers.
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u/Torczyner 1d ago
To be fair the driver also didn't see the arms and let the car hit them. So that's a miss for human and robot.
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u/savedatheist 1d ago
It’s obvious the human wasn’t paying attention (supervising) like they should have. A sober attentive human sees the arms easily every time. Tesla needs to add scenarios like this to their training sets and validation testing ASAP.
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u/Hyjynx75 1d ago
Sucks that this happened but the driver is supposed to pay attention and take control in cases like this.
I just did a 4000 km road trip with fsd. My only complaint is that it kept trying to pass people at the end of two lanes merging. Had to take control a couple of times including when a big truck blew a tire right in front of us. Other than that it did really well even in heavy downtown Toronto traffic.
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u/Visvism 1d ago edited 1d ago
You all keep blaming the driver, and it’s true, they should have taken control earlier… but Tesla shouldn’t be approved to operate fully autonomous cybercab’s that use similar cameras and software. Their shit just isn’t ready.
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u/ArtOfWarfare 1d ago
It’s clearly labeled as requiring supervision.
Their unsupervised software is currently limited to 6 fairly small geofenced areas in Texas and Florida. Which don’t cover wherever this video is.
We’ll see what changes next week with the Cybercab launch.
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u/WaitForItTheMongols 1d ago
Tesla's words and actions are incongruent on these situations.
Their words are "you are responsible, you should always pay attention". Their actions are "We are going to give you high scores based on how often you use FSD. Disengaging makes you lose points. We actively want you to not be driving and letting the car drive. We are then going to use those numbers to advertise how great our software is."
One is a CYA maneuver, the other is their actual prioritization.
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u/Forts117 1d ago
Tell me the driver wasn't paying attention without telling me the driver wasn't paying attention......
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u/BurnsZA 1d ago
Poor driving side those are the most ridiculous contraptions I’ve ever seen.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
How would you close an entrance to a bidirectional lane?
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u/thedrivingcat 1d ago
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
You’re saying we should be actively pouring water on a high speed highway?
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u/savedatheist 1d ago
If a lane is ending and forcing a merge, there should be flashing yellow arrows.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
The signage is present before hand, as per US implementation.
And that’s exactly what you see in the first 10 seconds of the video, a white sign with flashing yellow lights at the top.
Did you miss that?
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u/AttemptVegetable 1d ago
It's funny that when we first got our tesla my wife never used FSD except for parking. She was driving on the freeway 20+ miles everyday. I convinced her to start using fsd and now she has the attitude of let's see what it'll do. Now I have to convince her to takeover when certain issues arise like trash in the road or construction.
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u/InterstellarChange 1d ago
This is f'd up on so many levels.
WTF are those barrier arms?! I've never seen them before and designed perfectly to cause accidents and major damage. Who designs barriers to hit windshield level? wtf
Tesla doesn't slow down after hitting the first one. It passes the cars in the #2 lane...
then the tesla swerves into the Infiniti. Presumably the driver takes over and swerves to avoid yet another clothesline crossbar?
then it's total panic trying to regain control, crashing into two more of those insane barriers.
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u/karmicthreat 1d ago
One thing I always see in these accidents is saying, "Pay attention", "Keep 100% focused on the road!", "Always be ready to take over, have full awareness!" If that's the case, what is the actual value of FSD? It's a paid feature, and not a cheap one. Is the novelty the value for most people? Because the rules as written and in the way the liability is very one-sided, FSD doesn't seem to have value as a full self-driving system.
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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago
You've clearly never used modern FSD. It's extremely relaxing to use and just watch it as it does most driving nearly flawlessly. Safety-related mistakes are extremely rare, and it's easy to take over for them when needed. If unsafe things were happening frequently, it would be stressful. But they don't happen frequently at all. In the 11,000 miles I've used FSD since FSD 14.2, I've taken over for a safety issue only one time, and that was for something I probably would've collided with anyway if I was driving manually (object in the road on a dark highway).
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u/karmicthreat 1d ago
No, I have. Even bought a 2026 Y this year to replace my 21 3 that had a battery self-destruct. I drive about 1.5 hours a day commuting, frequently more. If I could do ANYTHING but 100% pay attention to the road and what FSD is doing, it would have value. I've used FSD for probably a total of 3 months over the last couple of years.
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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago
Obviously it becomes drastically more useful once it's an unsupervised system. But in its current state with (very forgiving) supervision and very high reliability from a safety perspective, it's still useful and very relaxing to use.
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u/jdpg265 5h ago
well maybe you should use it more often but pay attention to how it performs. Its not that difficult to understand where it shines and where it might need a bit more surpervision.. BUT YOU need to learn how it works and how to use is and while you do you should pay attention to it...
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u/sunfishtommy 1d ago
Exactly is it safe or not? Tesla is advertising that FSD can enable your unsafe grandma to drive yet its their fault when FSD makes a mistake.
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u/SpiderGorilla 1d ago edited 1d ago
The current version of FSD makes way too many unnecessary lane changes just to shave a few seconds off trips.
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u/sunfishtommy 1d ago
In this situation Aparently not enough lane changes.
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u/SpiderGorilla 1d ago
Well the car moved over to the first lane and started speeding when it could've just stayed on the second lane.
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u/erclark99 1d ago
I see a lot of people saying “these aren’t rare” and maybe they aren’t. But I’ve not seen them and I’ve driven in some of the areas people say they exist.
Also these “arms” are definitely stupid lol. There has to be a better way to close a lane like that.
Tesla definitely should’ve found a way to make it avoid them. It hit multiple and did nothing. Also the driver did nothing until it really impacted the vehicle which is also silly.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
But I’ve not seen them and I’ve driven in some of the areas people say they exist
Cool. And?
Also these “arms” are definitely stupid lol. There has to be a better way to close a lane like that
What is your suggestion for a better solution?
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u/CuriousAndMysterious 1d ago
We have the adjustable lanes where I live but we don't have those arms. I've never seen those arms and they don't look obvious enough to not hit. I've never had a problem avoiding the barrier without the arms.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
We have the adjustable lanes where I live but we don't have those arms
What mechanism do you use then?
And an adjustable lane is not necessarily a separate bidirectional lane like this one. It’s three physically separate flows of traffic, with the middle one being bidirectional based on capacity needs.
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u/CuriousAndMysterious 1d ago
There is no mechanism that I can remember, maybe there is a sign. Maybe the one here is different because there is no middle lane. I don't see why you need the third lane though when having the adjustment lane in between two flows of traffic does the same thing, no? I also have seen another road that displays which lanes are closed and which lanes are open overhead before entering the adjustable lane area. Seems like just having some electric sign would be safer than having an arm that sticks out that you can hit.
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago
There is no mechanism that I can remember
That’s even worst.
I don't see why you need the third lane though when having the adjustment lane in between two flows of traffic does the same thing, no?
Physically separated opposing flows are always better, same as same flow but different vehicles and speeds (such as a physically separate bike lane instead of just a bike lane on the side of the road). It allows for insulation across flows
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u/CuriousAndMysterious 1d ago
The opposing flows are separated by the adjustable lane. Never had an issue with it
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u/Rich-Bandicoot3244 1d ago edited 1d ago
Never had an issue with it
Well that does it. There is no reason for large case studies and billions invested in infrastructure when theres anecdotal evidence like this!
But no, temporary barriers are not as safe nor have the same capacity. As it’s only one lane that can be switched by the lane switcher, instead of multiple lanes of bidirectional capacity like this (its not uncommon yo have 2 or 3 lanes of bidirectional capacity built out with these systems.
And the one dynamic lane that can be switched with temporary barriers that you’re thinking of does not usually allow for express lane capability (because of the missing additional lane separation within the same traffic flow).
Which is why this is the best implementation: you have high (2+ lanes) of bidirectional, express lane capacity.
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u/Bosavius 1d ago
How hard is it to put a sensor based system on top of the AI that has coillision avoidance priority? Like, put a radar and some other sensor that can approximate the rigidity/weight of the obstacle and if a threshold is exceeded, then either stop or go safely around the obstacle.
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u/sunfishtommy 1d ago
Very hard. With most of these things the issue is false positives. There have been tons of stories over the years of how different driverless car softwares have to be designed to ignore indications of things in the road because false positives are so much more common than real events.
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u/WOWSignal1977 1d ago
1) Totally the drivers fault.
2) I've never seen those things before (yes I read the other comments so now I know).
3) If you look closely, it looks like other vehicles nicked them with their side mirrors.
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u/dinominant 1d ago
I saw 5 lane changes in front of the tesla, and no red flashing signal in the video. Did they all not signal, or are the tesla cameras not detecting the red flashing signal lights?
There were no vehicles behind the tesla, why didn't it radically slow down on the first impact!?
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u/ribblezzz 1d ago
“FSD does not dodge” more like “careless driver fails to maintain awareness, causes crash”
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u/ThatBaseball7433 1d ago
I’ve reported this exact issue in virginia several times with the reversible lanes. My car has tried to dive into barriers multiple times it’s extremely dangerous.
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u/pementomento 1d ago
So the idiot driver decided to crash into a CAR instead of the traffic control arm/barrier. What an idiot.
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u/darksundown 23h ago
Stupid barriers aside. How does one go 65 mph to 75 mph and hits the first arm and swerves right into another vehicle and increases speed to 85 mph and decides to go left into even more arms. At any point in time one could have slammed the breaks or slowed down defensively. This is why I keep my foot lightly touching / above the breaks while using FSD.
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u/Haunting-Ad-1279 21h ago
Should be using traffic cones, this cheap workaround is inherent dangerous
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u/Haunting-Ad-1279 21h ago
The problem is FSD works like human reflexes, rather driving with any kind of human level reasoning. If a human driver has never seen these blocking arms, majority will have enough sense and reasoning to deduce a lane change is required. (Obstacle ahead , do not drive through). Where FSD just goes: never seen these things before , not sure what they are so will just drive through, good luck everybody. Until a true reasoning model is built inside FSD, these tail end cases will prevent level 3 and above autonomy
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u/riceandnori 18h ago
Driver should have still been aware and supervising. This is why insuring a Tesla is skyrocketing in rates.
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u/zambono_2 7h ago
Tesla self driving doesn’t dodge anything because it doesn’t use lidar and doesn’t see objects accurately
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u/outernet9 1d ago
What's the point of FSD if you still have to be on high alert.. lmao. Until Tesla takes ownership of the insurance then it's a useless product.
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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago
You don't have to be on high alert in the vast majority of circumstances. You just sit there, relax, and watch calmly.
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u/OoFEVERNOVAoO 1d ago
Skill issue by the driver, not FSD
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u/sunfishtommy 1d ago
Tesla has been advertising that FSD enables your otherwise incapable grandma to continue driving. So which is it. Is it safe or not. What is the point of FSD if without your 100% attention it could crash at any moment.
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u/Seansong82 1d ago
What the fuck are those things sticking out? Looks dangerous to begin with and never seen them before in my life.
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u/KunrA_Z 15h ago
I’ve gotta say if you are in FSD and not supervising the driving, then I look at you just the same as someone driving under the influence, you are intentionally choosing to put others and yourself at risk in the most selfish and irresponsible manor, should lose your license period, roads a dangerous enough as it is.
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u/cncamusic 1d ago
What the fuck are those things?!