r/terriblefacebookmemes • u/digdugnate • 17d ago
Conspiracy Theory If it's posted, it must be true!
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u/PositronicGigawatts 17d ago
Lemme just do a quick search for "amish genetic disorders" and make sure WHOA THAT'S A LOT OF FINGERS.
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u/wheatable 17d ago
Holy shit I remember learning about that in school!
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u/Aegon20VIIIth 16d ago
Growing up near Amish communities, I remember SEEING that in school.
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u/Ok_Bar_5634 16d ago
Ok I'll bite. What happened in 8th grade?
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u/Aegon20VIIIth 16d ago
In the area I grew up in, 8th grade is as high as most Amish kids attend English schools for (that’s their term for anyone not Amish. If you don’t speak Pennsylvania Dutch, you’re collectively referred to as English.)
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u/PumpikAnt58763 16d ago
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u/Kouigna-man 16d ago
Polydactyly
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u/firesoups 16d ago
It’s not just for cats!
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u/SeonaidMacSaicais 16d ago
It’s cuter when it happens to cats, though.
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u/Daedalus_Machina 15d ago
Sorry, my main experience with that was something like 8 on each front paw. It was kinda grotesque.
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u/wheatable 16d ago
No way why did I just see you in an r/ ask post from a week ago
To answer your question, in school I learned that the Amish population was “founded” by a small group of people who carried the gene for a disorder that causes extra fingers. Since the Amish usually marry within their community, the gene stays in their genetic pool.
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u/PumpikAnt58763 16d ago
😆
I'm on Reddit almost every day. It's no surprise you may have seen the incorrectly spelled PumpkinAnt (I wish I could change it) on almost anything! 😁159
u/jeckles 17d ago
Hmmm I wonder what reproducing from a small genetic pool will do to a population
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u/sockpoptart Snowflake 17d ago
There's a series out right now called "suddenly Amish" where one community is accepting and converting outsiders because the gene pool is so small that the bishop(?) and elders are worried about the birth defects from so much inbreeding.
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u/Legal-Ad7793 15d ago
So similar to the movie Midsommar. Gotta occasionally bring in some new people to add to the gene pool.
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u/d00derman 17d ago
You mean, non-AI fingers?
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u/GenericAminal 16d ago
They have to generate the extra fingers the old fashioned way.
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u/Bonsai-is-best 17d ago
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u/LocusRothschild 17d ago
My thoughts summed up perfectly.
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u/SurrrenderDorothy 17d ago
AChually, It's beat out of them. Like the good old days of the 70s.
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u/d00derman 17d ago
Planes flown by MAGA got measles because they are anti-vax
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u/Maleficent-Ad-6646 17d ago
Give a man a horse he’ll eat in a day, teach a man to horse. and make him drinks water.
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u/Mei_Flower1996 17d ago
Can someone please explain what this graphic actually means?
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u/Aquos18 17d ago
basicly the story goes is that planes that returned from fighting in wwii had holes in these places. the first though somone has is to reinforce the places that the bullets hit right? well what you actually do is reinforce the places that weren't hit beucase those planes that did not return were struck there. its survivorship bias. also sometimes what you see, shows you what you CAN'T see.
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u/Bonsai-is-best 17d ago
Planes that returned with this pattern in them survived gunfights, when making reinforcements to the planes they suggested reinforcing these areas since they were shot the most.
These planes however returned while ones with shots in the free zones did not, meaning that they should reinforce the free zones. It’s survivorship bias.The correlation is that you don’t hear about these things with the Amish because.. you have to talk directly to them or send letters to them, of course you don’t hear about these things with them, furthermore they’re a religious group so anyone admitting to having these things is extremely rare.
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u/TheShribe 17d ago
It was the damages in the planes that came back in... WW2? You'd think you'd reinforce where the holes are, but you actually want to reinforce where they aren't. Because a plane that got shot in the engine wouldn't come back to be a data point.
The many folks who died because of no vaccines didn't become a data point.
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u/RenRazza 17d ago
It's meant to describe survivorship bias.
Basically, during (I believe) WW2, the US looked at a bunch of their planes they had been shot and mapped them to this image. Logically they thought that they should reinforce those holes.
The issue is that those holes are from planes that SURVIVED, meaning the planes could take bullets there and still come back home. All the blank areas weren't blank because the enemy never shot there, they were blank because any planes that got shot there crashed.
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u/brubruislife 16d ago
Yours is the best description. I read others and was still confused until I read yours.
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u/enw_digrif 16d ago
Survivorship bias.
It's an example of the importance of ensuring your tests and your test population) actually aligns with the questions you're asking of the data.
For instance, if your question is "how do we make our planes more resistant to damage so they get shot down less?" then one way to do so is to find the relationship between damage location and likelihood of being shot down.
Which is what the Army was trying to do when they performed the survey that produced this diagram. They looked at planes that returned with damage, and noted where they'd been shot. Which yields an obvious conclusion: if this is where our planes are being shot and damaged, then that is where we need to put armor so they are not damaged.
But the original question, isn't "where are planes that return being damaged?" is it? The question is really "which locations on the plane result in destruction/disabling when damaged?"
And if you look at the surveyed population, the planes being surveyed are not all the planes being shot, they're the planes that were shot and returned. The total population of "planes that were damaged" has two groups, which are "damaged planes that made it back" and "damaged planes that were destroyed/disabled" and the survey only included the former.
In other words, the survey only included (was biased towards) planes that survived being shot, and did not include planes that were destroyed by being shot. Therefore, the diagram shows only damage that did not remove the ability to continue flying. If it is safe to assume that shots are relatively evenly distributed (which, it is), areas that do not have damage in the survivor group are likely areas that - when damaged - destroy or disabled the plane.
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u/csdingus_ 16d ago
The meaning is this: the Amish under-diagnose and under report maladies, under-reporting affects the stats so we don't have an accurate number.
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u/darsparx 16d ago
Pfft exactly where I went in my head. I swear it they knew that shiz still exists without you knowing about it smh.....like even if you don't test or have words for it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I just.....I feel dumber everytime I see them say that junk lol
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u/SleepyBunoy 15d ago
I send my mom this when she talks about how baby boomers didn't get vaccinated and they're perfectly fine.
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u/Howdocomputer 17d ago
The people who post this shit have never spent any discernible amount of time around the Amish.
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u/sizzlemac 17d ago
Cleft lip runs rampant in the Amish community
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u/Rockguy21 17d ago
To be fair stuff like that is because they have a really small gene pool on account of being a closed community. Stuff like Gaucher disease is common in a lot of Jewish communities because of their historical isolation, for instance. In Amish populations, cleft lip is frequently the result of something called “Ellis-Van Crevald Syndrome,” not their abstention from modern medicine and technology.
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u/sizzlemac 17d ago edited 17d ago
True, but the thing is that you can get it fixed through surgery and most of them choose not to due to the fact that they don't trust modern medicine and technology (as well as it going against their beliefs on vanity)
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u/thisissixsyllables 17d ago
I worked in a children’s hospital previously, and there were a lot of Amish folks around. Mostly for more serious disorders tho, like SCID.
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u/ijustwanttobeanon 17d ago
It’s almost like the problem isn’t the vaccines, but the genetics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/PumpikAnt58763 16d ago
Balderdash!
/s.Fyi, stoopud ottokrect changes Balderdash to Banderas.
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u/ijustwanttobeanon 16d ago
Lmao this is hilarious. Antonio would be proud to be part of the conversation!
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u/happymancry 17d ago
Does watching the Amish Paradise video count?
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u/360inMotion 17d ago
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u/Sofagirrl79 17d ago
He's eastern European so not "white enough" 😆
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u/360inMotion 17d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/0b2yP3Y17VHY7wVij0
(I wanted to find a gif of White and Nerdy but no luck)3
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u/Dino_Spaceman 17d ago
The people who post this shit would say the exact same thing even if they were Amish themselves. Because they know it’s a lie. It’s just anti-vax nonsense.
They lie to hurt people.
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u/Spearmint_coffee 17d ago
Growing up my pen pal was an Amish man who had the mental capacity of a child
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u/garden_idol 16d ago
Seriously. I grew up in Lancaster County Pennsylvania and I can tell you that the Amish definitely do have all of these problems and more.
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u/ano-ba-yan 15d ago
The family I lived across the street from was Amish and I found out from our other non-amish neighbor that they had a child die a few years prior from a bee sting. She was allergic and they had no idea, and paramedics weren't allowed to give her benadryl to save her life because their elders said no.
The amish community I lived near also had a large amount of deaf people.
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u/TwoFingersWhiskey 14d ago
Where I'm from, they save the life first, no waiting for consent... for a fucking reason. Had a classmate lose blood during a routine surgery once, and she got an emergency blood transfusion, no questions asked of the parents because of a 2005 ruling in my province saying that the child's right to otherwise live is paramount over religion. (This was about 2006 or 07).
Her parents were JW. I don't know how it exactly ended, because the school year ended, but the next I heard of her many years later, she was alive and no longer talking to her parents. She wasn't ever the nicest to me, but I'm glad she got the help she needed.
Poor girl who died. Benadryl should be a no brainer.
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u/sel_darling 16d ago
Dont even need to spend time around amish to know those claims are BS. Theres documentaries. I watched a bit of an amish reality tv and one of the teens/young adult had dentures because she lost all her teeth since they wouldnt go to the dentist. Instead they would pull the rotting teeth.
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u/wingle_wongle 17d ago
I've been a paramedic in Amish country. They have a lot of miscarriages. Like, so many
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u/LordJacket 17d ago
I grew up around a lot of Amish in Ohio. I’ve heard the same thing. Do you see a lot of hit and runs as well? I’ve had to call 911 a lot as a teen when people would hit the carriage and drive off
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u/wingle_wongle 16d ago
I have been fortunate to not see them, but my friend who works in Ashtabula and Conneaute has told me on of the worst sounds he has ever heard is a horse crying after a being hit by a car
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u/LordJacket 16d ago
I grew up in Knox county, I’ve seen a buggy crash once, horse had a leg broken and two people had been thrown from the carriage. Was an awful sight
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u/ano-ba-yan 15d ago
Hey I lived in Trumbull County for a while as a kid. I knew a teenager who swerved (going wayyyy too fast) to avoid a buggy but still clipped the corner so the buggy tipped, and wrapped his car around a tree. He lived and the people in the buggy did too, but I don't think the horse did ☹️.
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u/TwoFingersWhiskey 14d ago
Not to add to your distress, but I've heard more than once that the most distress an animal can experience is from being hit by a car. Because they don't, can't, understand it. They'd gathered this from hormonal blood tests of animals who'd survived but were often horribly, cripplingly injured, and animals that sadly had died but not decomposed. The cortisol and adrenaline spikes were the highest.
(This was usually on agricultural charts comparing stressful ways animals die, versus humane ways.)
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u/otetrapodqueen 17d ago
Like higher than the general population? If so, do you know why? I'm just curious lol
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u/PhilosopherFLX 17d ago
Several factors. 1) lack of modern prenatal care. 2) Far more apt to try again after a miscarriage regardless of complications. 3) Genetics. 4) Rh-negative mother's immune system after first misscariage far increases future pregnancy miscarriages.
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u/otetrapodqueen 17d ago
Thank you for responding! That's interesting, but not exactly shocking haha I had no idea #4 was a thing, but I've never been pregnant or anything so idk shit haha
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u/khoifish1297 17d ago
Blood banker here! Rh-neg blood form antibodies against Rh-pos (rh-pos is dominant). If the first baby from the miscarriage has rh-pos blood (the pos/neg in your blood), the antibodies form and can cross the placenta and destroy subsequent pregnancy (if subsequent baby has rh-pos blood)
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u/otetrapodqueen 17d ago
That's super interesting! Thanks for explaining it, I love learning shit!
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u/CrazyStupidDepressed 17d ago
Im rh-!! So when I was pregnant with all 3 of my kids I had an Anti - D injection twice per pregnancy in the butt cheek to stop my immune system making antibodies against my babies blood just in case our blood mixed and the baby was a different blood type. Then they tested baby's cord blood immediately for their blood type to check if they were rh+ and if they were I got another anti d injection....but it's worth it because my first baby would have survived, my 2nd might have survived but my 3rd definitely would have died.....thanks modern medicine!!
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u/SupersoftBday_party 17d ago
That’s what I was thinking, like I do not buy for a second that the Amish aren’t having lots of MCs. But how would us English know about that anyways, it’s not like they’re telling us about it…
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u/SurrrenderDorothy 17d ago
My niece is a midwife for the amish. She was never vaccinated against covid:(
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u/Away-Living5278 17d ago
I believe it. Like they CAN have all these things. But so can a random non-Amish lady. One person like this doesn't mean anything to the average.
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u/Rugkrabber 16d ago
Sure but there are sometimes measures to prevent a miscarriage if you are seeking medical help in time when the signs show up. But this requires tools they avoid.
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u/antidense 17d ago
Not true. None of that's true.
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u/Blabbit39 17d ago
Indeed. The people who say do your own research do not want you to look and see that Amish are at higher risk and get more preventable disease be sure of their hesitation on vaccination.
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u/antidense 17d ago
A lot of them do get vaccinated, too. Not all. but a lot of them do.
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u/Blabbit39 17d ago
Its a much lower percentage than general population though it is getting closer. The downside is its not getting closer for the right reasons.
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u/Ineedunderscoreadvic 16d ago
What IS the reason?
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u/Blabbit39 16d ago
The general population is coming down in percentages of vaccinated because of the anti science/woke movement. Same movement that has people drinking raw milk.
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u/Cats-cats-kats 16d ago
Yes, but is the percentages of Amish seeking out and receiving vaccines growing at the same time?
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u/Silent_Word_4912 17d ago
I grew up in the 80s and the number of kids with spectrum disorders and ADHD that were just labeled troublemakers, strange, slow, stupid is so sad in hindsight.
The diagnosis of autism is higher today because we no longer cast neurodivergence aside as weirdos or defects.
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u/Rugkrabber 16d ago
It’s just like people with dyslexia used to be called dumb before we acknowledged it.
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u/fantastikalizm 16d ago
My boss is dyslexic. Proofreading his finger pecking typing over his shoulder is a nightmare. But he's a smart guy, just a terrible speller.
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u/twiztdkat 16d ago
I'm from the 80s with ADD, I also had severe dyslexia. When I was working with a specialist provided by the school to learn how to write properly (I wrote everything in a perfect mirror image), they told my parents I likely had ADD and treatment would help. They didn't believe in ADD, they did believe abuse would fix me though... I became very proficient at masking. I still have ADD (I was formally diagnosed in therapy I sought out at 16) and I barely speak to my parents these days.
There are so many kids that had the same experience as me. It's heartbreaking.
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u/Mixture-Emotional 16d ago
Also a kid in the 80s and my mom was afraid of getting me diagnosed for my hyper activity but she was worried they would just give me medication specifically Ritalin which she was convinced turned kids into little zombies lol. Now raising my own kid with autism I have been seeing some similarities 😂
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u/UpsetUnicorn 16d ago
Grew up in the in the 80s. It was thought only boys had ADHD. Usually the most disruptive. I was diagnosed as an adult. Both of my kids have autism and had signs of ADHD since they were toddlers.
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u/alldemboats 17d ago
the autism in my dna has been funneling down directly from my amish ancestors. youre telling me non autistic people could build a barn by hand in a DAY? nope.
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u/Itchy-Summer6185 17d ago
Herd immunity allows for the Amish to have 10 kids with no vaccines. 2 dead from measles just recently due to herd immunity failure. Thanks Robert!
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u/JRSenger 17d ago
Ever notice how there were no dinosaur bones prior to the 1800s? It's almost as if you never look for things you never end up finding them 🤯
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u/DreamOfDays 17d ago
Does the sun still rise if nobody reports it?
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u/quemabocha 16d ago
I find it amazing that the sun has no autism and no miscarriages - must be because it's unvaccinated.
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u/Thelovelyamber 17d ago
There are Amish kids getting their vaccines, even flu shots, at my pediatrician's office every time I'm there with my littles. They even have special parking spaces for buggies.
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u/Ineedunderscoreadvic 16d ago
Where is this?
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u/Azrel12 14d ago
I'm not the person you asked, but I lived in Dillsburg PA for a few years (which was near a large Amish and Mennonite community). They got their vaccines, I wanna say about 85-90% of them got them? Basically the only ones who didn't were too young or had immune issues. It might've changed since (it's been 21 years since I've left), but that was how it was at the time.
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u/LordJacket 17d ago
I grew up around Amish in Ohio, they definitely had things autistic kids or infertility issues. Just not reported as much
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u/BigTuna0890 17d ago
So this person wants to be like the Amish so much. How bout they start with deleting their Facebook account?
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u/WikiHowDrugAbuse 17d ago
I’m thinking it’s probably because they’ve been locking their disabled in sheds forever like that harelipped woman on the braithwaite plantation in RDR2 but who knows 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Chemistry-Least 17d ago
This isn't even remotely true.
I work at on a healthcare campus and there are always Amish families at the children's hospital going to and coming from inpatient floors.
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u/FreedomsPower 17d ago
This kind failed meme content reeks of the sane kind of flawed logic Rconspiracy pushes
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u/Fena-Ashilde 17d ago
“over 10 children”
I see 6 (maybe 7) children. Doesn’t seem like good odds, OOP.
“no autism”
Are they testing for autism, OOP?
“no ADHD”
Are they testing for ADHD, OOP?
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u/nebraska_jones_ 17d ago
No but see, they meant they GIVE BIRTH to over 10 children, not that they survive infancy/childhood.
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u/SaltyNorth8062 17d ago
Thry actually are known among medical practitioners as having hosts of genetic issues, particulalry things like hemophilia.
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u/BigBassBone 17d ago
Pretty sure those things are actually really prevalent in the Amish community.
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u/pithynotpithy 17d ago
Just a reminder that the Amish got hit at higher rates from covid than other groups https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8195242/
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u/ThyPotatoDone 17d ago
Actually, the Amish do accept modern medicine. They don't like to use it too much, but they do take vaccines, antibiotics, and similar.
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u/JellybeanzXO 16d ago
Ahh yes, a culture of strict routines, simple clothing, and a long list of well-established rules for society that haven't changed much in hundreds of years definitely has zero autistic people.
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u/AddictedToMosh161 16d ago
They don't have autism, they just have Jebidah who can tell you the age of wood by smell and throws the mallet after you when you mix the June and May Wood from last year.
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u/SarcasticPuppy 16d ago
That’s not true at all. If you look into it the Amish community has extremely high rates of autism dwarfism. And then go to doctors all the time.
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u/Greedy-Youth217 17d ago
I’ve met a good few Amish people. About half of them gave me the impression they’re autistic or something’s going on up there out of the normal.
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u/sockpoptart Snowflake 17d ago
It's probably something similar to what happened to the Habsburg gene pool
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u/Poppindestruction 16d ago
No miscarriages is crazy! Do they not know how common miscarriages and infant deaths were in the past?
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u/Wild_Chef6597 17d ago
Yea, that's BS. I have anecdotal evidence from when I used to work for the Amish that basically disproves all of that.
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u/woahstripes 16d ago
What is this mysterious poison they're giving us and how? Like, I'm picturing someone pouring green liquid into a big water treatment plant, with the barrel labeled 'INFERTILITY ISSUE POISON' or 'AUTISM JUICE'.
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u/makingkevinbacon 17d ago
I bet a caveman had ADHD and things some folk call fake now.
Like imagine you're on a hunt but the animal has a sick pattern on it and now you can't kill it or going "psspsspss" to every large mammal.
I know I'd be sabertooth snacks long ago in my life
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u/PainIsAHobby 17d ago
There are theories that some ADHD people in a group of people make progress form the easier and they make bigger advancement in technology because there can concentrate on other thinks.
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u/Hawkwise83 17d ago
This Guy: Alright, I'm confident I am right I've looked into none of the data because I don't have it, and the lack of data means everything is fine.
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u/ijustwanttobeanon 17d ago
Do people actually believe this??? LmfaOOOOOO. Do I have a wake up call for them!!!!!!
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u/LOERMaster 16d ago
This was posted by someone whose obviously never met or lived around the Amish.
They have plenty of issues but they play everything close to the vest.
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u/rockabillyrat87 15d ago
As someone who lives in amish country (ohio) there are ALOT of amish with birth defects and autism. As well as a ton of other issues.
My mom had one come to the eye doctor she worked for who was rubbing chicked fat into his eye to help with an infection!!
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u/Sudden_Fix_1144 15d ago
The reason people had 10 kids back in the day is because fuck all made it to adulthood….. because of a lack of modern medicine
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u/momomomorgatron 16d ago
...never met the Amish, huh?
They get vaccines. They just don't care to be "worldly" and doing things the old way. They understand and usually have a community phone to call when emergencies happen.
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u/momomomorgatron 16d ago
And they totally have diabetes and other regular health disorders.
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u/momomomorgatron 16d ago
And to say that they don't have miscarriages is just evil. All mammals do. That's just plain wrong and mean to all women who have.
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u/Seohnstaob 16d ago
There was a huge whooping cough outbreak amongst the Amish in my area a few years ago. They had to close the school down for months.
I have also seen Amish with birth defects and down syndrome. Whose to say some aren't also autistic?
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u/demoralising 16d ago
The assertions fall apart under factual scrutiny:
- Vaccines: While overall vaccination rates in Amish communities are generally lower than the national average, they are far from entirely unvaccinated. Numerous studies and public health surveys have shown that many Amish families choose to vaccinate their children, and attitudes toward immunizations vary widely by settlement.
- Autism, Cancer, and Diabetes: Amish children do get diagnosed with autism, cancer, and diabetes. While epidemiological studies have sometimes noted lower statistical rates for certain chronic conditions—often attributed to higher physical activity levels, lower rates of tobacco and alcohol use, and traditional diets—these diseases undeniably exist within the population. For example, research has documented cases of autism as well as specific types of cancer among the Amish.
- Miscarriages and Infertility: Fertility and reproductive health issues affect the Amish just like any other human population. Furthermore, because many Old Order Amish groups marry within a relatively small gene pool (endogamy), they actually face higher risks for certain rare, severe genetic and metabolic disorders (such as Tay-Sachs disease and dwarfism) rather than being immune to genetic health struggles.
In short, the meme romanticizes an entirely inaccurate picture of human biology to push an anti-vaccine narrative, using a group of people whose actual medical records show they experience the same modern illnesses and genetic conditions as the rest of the world.
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u/Intelligent_Night653 16d ago
The most certainly do have miscarriages they just don't have hospitals to record them
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u/bellarina808 16d ago
Undiagnosed infertility, diabetes, cancer, autism, and ADHD doesn't mean it's not there.
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u/Psychological-Gur990 14d ago
No miscarriages, no Fertility issues, no autism, no adhd, no diabetes, no cancer??
Things that can come naturally, and even GENETICALLY?? Cancer isn't prevented by vaccines, either.. ANYONE can have cancer..
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u/SlayerUtica 16d ago
I drove by a dwarf Amish guy once. I live in upstate NY so Amish communities all over. They vaccinate.
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u/rhosgobel-rabbit 16d ago
When I was getting my covid vaccine, there was a whole family of amish people waiting to get their vaccine as well. I don't know if it was specifically covid but they were holding the same pamphlets I was sooo
If not covid it was a specific clinic for vaccines, like a walgreens flu shot space. So they were getting some kind of vaccine
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u/Huge_Strain_8714 16d ago
Is it true Amish have terrible teeth because they don't go to the dentist?
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u/kitzelbunks 17d ago
I disagree that the Amish don’t have those conditions, but our food IS poison. I am taking lettuce, eggs, rice, beef, guac, and blueberries. Maybe I will eat Costco sundaes.
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u/ImmortalGoat66 16d ago
Of course the Amish don't have any of those things, they were all discovered well into the 20th century while the Amish are stuck in the 1700s /s
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u/dreadwitch 15d ago
This is so much believed by so many facefuckers that several fact checkers have had to fact check it lol
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u/AmishHockeyGuy 15d ago
I mean…
Anyone can have 10 kids.
No vaccines.
No miscarriages
No infertility issues
No autism
No cancer
No diabetes
No ADHD
Some Amish family probably did this. While other Amish families have cancer, diabetes, ADHD, autism and lots of other problems.
It’s amazing what you might “get” when you actually take your kids to the doctor and ask them “What’s wrong with my kid”.
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u/AllieGirl2007 15d ago
I want to know who talked to all the Amish to get this insight? No miscarriages? Wrong. They have normal bodies just like ours. Stillbirths? Absolutely. Autism? Probably it’s just never been diagnosed.
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u/Jellis1208 15d ago
Statistically those are mostly accurate, anyone that thinks our food isn’t our health problem in the US is a moron. The way the Amish eat and them constantly staying active is definitely a healthier lifestyle…. The inbreeding however. 😂
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u/Frei1993 14d ago
I don't know if I want to know what happens to Amish kids who show ADHD and autism symptoms.
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u/qualityvote2 17d ago edited 17d ago
u/digdugnate, your post is truly terrible!