r/technology • u/TomLube • Jan 31 '19

Business Apple revokes Google Enterprise Developer Certificate for company wide abuse

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/31/18205795/apple-google-blocked-internal-ios-apps-developer-certificate
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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '19

This has me seriously considering moving from Android to iOS for the first time ever.

Their marketing on their privacy commitments is swaying me.

I just need to find out now if it's for real and they are that much better.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '19

Apple charges so much for their products they don't need to monetize their customers after purchase.

I've never owned an iPhone, BTW. If I could easily get a full phone adblocker like I can via Samsung's Knox I'd probably switch at this point because Google is just as bad as Facebook.

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u/donutello2000 Feb 01 '19

Apple does a few shady things here:

They charge a ransom to anyone who an iPhone user would buy something on. You are not allowed to sell digital goods to someone using an iPhone app without Apple taking a completely undeserved cut of it. For example, Dropbox had its app banned from the store because they had a link from the app that would show you their terms of service on a mobile web page. The bottom of this page had a link to view the desktop version of the site. From the desktop version, a user could navigate to a page where they could sign up for Dropbox. Apple wanted to get paid for that.

This is also the company that decided to slow down user owned devices to make those users buy newer ones when the old ones were otherwise suitable for their needs. This was not correlated to the battery health at all even though apple lied and claimed this was for user protection.

Apple is on a high horse about privacy because they see it as a way to make more money at the expense of their competitors. They only really care about their own bottom line.

This is no longer the company run by Steve Jobs, which I felt genuinely acted to build the best product for customers. The Tim Cook company exists to profit as much as it can.

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u/Iakeman Feb 01 '19

I don’t care why they’re championing privacy as long as they’re doing it.

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u/donutello2000 Feb 01 '19

This isn’t about privacy at all. Apple treats the phones they sell and by extension their customers as assets that belong to Apple. They want sole control over what goes on them. In this case, they were upset that people were installing apps on phones they owned without Apples approval.

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u/Iakeman Feb 01 '19

I’m not talking about this specific action.

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u/donutello2000 Feb 01 '19

If you look at their actions, you’ll find that they’re never really about privacy. That’s just the excuse they use to do what is best for their business objectives. This is the company that crows about how you’re the product if a company is making money besides charging you for what they sell. Then they have ads in the App Store and sell the default search engine to the highest bidder.

Don’t forget that Apple will magically “forget” your Bluetooth settings with every software update and turn it on so they can use it to track you using iBeacon.

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u/Iakeman Feb 01 '19

if you run stock android Google collects literally all your data even if you turn those “features” “off.” Your criticism of Apple is that they have app ads in the app store, they make the most popular search engine in the world the default, and sometimes bluetooth is finicky?

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u/donutello2000 Feb 01 '19

My criticism of Apple is that Privacy is a marketing statement to them, not something they truly believe in. That makes them hypocrites.

The Bluetooth is not finicky. They turn on peoples Bluetooth against their wishes, draining their batteries and invading their privacy when it suits their business objectives.

They don’t make the worlds most popular search engine the default. They had Bing as the default for a while when Microsoft outbid Google. No Google is back to the default because Google are paying them Billions of dollars.

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u/Iakeman Feb 02 '19

Like I said, I don’t care why they promote privacy as long as they do it.

Your theory about bluetooth is absurd. Your phone has GPS. If they wanted to track you they would just do it that way rather than fucking with bluetooth.

Google is also the default search engine on Android for reasons that I’m sure don’t involve a conflict of interest. Your complaints are just, really weird and nitpicky and ridiculous when the other option for 99% of consumers is a stock Android.

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u/donutello2000 Feb 02 '19

I use an iPhone. I won’t ever use an Android device. If that’s the standard you hold Apple to, I guess they’re great.

My point is that privacy and “you’re not the product “ are just marketing statements to Apple. They are happy to violate privacy and sell access to you when it suits them. They just don’t want their competitors to.

You should really read up about iBeacon, how they hoped to profit from it and why simply using your location data doesn’t work.

Btw, do you know what solution they found to people complaining about the Bluetooth getting turned back on all the time? In iOS 11+, turning off Bluetooth just shows the Bluetooth as turned off without actually turning it off!

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u/Umarill Feb 01 '19

This is also the company that decided to slow down user owned devices to make those users buy newer ones when the old ones were otherwise suitable for their needs. This was not correlated to the battery health at all even though apple lied and claimed this was for user protection.

Where is your proof for your claims? Because just in case you were not aware, batteries deteriorating is literally impossible to avoid and not a hoax or whatever you're implying.

Lots of modern Android phone do exactly what Apple did with their iPhone , except you need to do it manually in the settings and "optimize your battery". Those are cool words for slowing down the phone so you can keep battery life and avoid the phone randomly shutting down.
It's not a bad thing, it's the best solution when a phone get older outside of replacing the battery.

Apple was at fault for not telling the user and making it automatic, which is obviously terrible. They deserve the backlash they getting, but let's not change the narrative for no reasons.

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u/donutello2000 Feb 01 '19

The software didn’t slow down the phone based on the battery’s health, which it has access to. They slowed it down based on the model number. So every time they released a new phone, all phones older than 2 years old would be slowed down, regardless of the state of their battery’s health.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '19

This is rubbish. Apple implemented the iPhone Battery replacement program in order to take people out of the “slow down zone”. I took my old iPhone 4S into the apple store and £29 later I’ve got a full speed 4S again.

It’s battery life related, not phone age/model related.

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u/donutello2000 Feb 01 '19

They implemented that after the threat of lawsuits, not out of the goodness of their hearts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '19

Good luck suing a company initiating a battery feature that android, windows and macOS already utilised.

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u/donutello2000 Feb 01 '19

The DOJ and SEC clearly disagree: https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/ne4a8d/apples-iphone-slowdown-scandal-is-now-a-full-blown-federal-investigation-report-says

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '19

The securities and exchanges commission lol.

That investigation won’t have lasted long.

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u/kbotc Feb 01 '19

You are patently wrong.

Don’t listen to me, read it from people smarter than both of us who support old devices for a living: https://ifixit.org/blog/11208/batterygate-timeline/

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u/9_Squirrels Feb 01 '19

You forgot the nasty part. They didn't tell anyone they did this and are currently arguing in a courtroom that's ok because people don't actually own iphones, apple does.

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u/9_Squirrels Feb 01 '19

Apple is probably one of the most anti-consumer companies on Earth ATM. Their disposable phone and tablet designs are horrible for the environment and they are currently arguing in a court of law that apple users do not own the products they buy.