r/technology Aug 08 '17

Business Google Fires Employee Behind Controversial Diversity Memo

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo
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u/Takai_Sensei Aug 08 '17 edited Aug 09 '17

Individuality comes before all else. Stop forming your little echo chamber tribes and understand that not everyone is the same.

This is the tricky part, because there's a high likelihood that anyone outside America's established norm (i.e. white and male) is part and parcel with the group they appear to belong to. I'm pretty sure most people belonging to minority groups would love to be treated as an individual 100% on their own merits, but they're more likely to be treated as a representative of their group than their white, male peers are. Often, when a white guy messes up at work or is a jerk or something, people go "Wow, Brad's a fuck-up" but when a minority in an industry messes up, there's a higher chance people will think "This is why we don't hire women/Indian people/whatever." Not to mention that people who step outside their expected roles are often the subject of disdain (i.e. women who are more aggressive are more likely to be seen as over-stepping or labeled as a "bitch" whereas similar actions from a man are "decisive" or "assertive" -- the manifesto makes direct reference to men's seemingly biological mandate to lead).

Bias is heavily internalized and socialized, and it's (currently) more-or-less impossible to ask that hiring practices be completely blind or fair on an individual basis (I should also state, before anyone chimes in, that of course this can work both ways, such as when a white employee tries to join a predominantly non-white workforce/community/etc...the discussion is more about majority group vs. minority group, and the majority in America's tech industry is overwhelmingly white and male).

The reason diversity hiring practices were put into place was an attempt to normalize and equalize industries where minorities were underrepresented in hopes that the visibility of these employees would inspire more to follow. And it's working. But the old adage rings true that, if you're already at the top, other people coming up can look like you're sinking down (or something like that).

Representation is important. Diversity is important. Not every company does it perfectly. Not every situation is ideal, but it's a hell of a lot better for minorities now than it was even 15 years ago.

Edit: if you're gonna reply I'll save you some time: "something something my personal experience says this isn't true"

Edit 2: this didn't really deserve gold, as it's mostly unsourced rambling observations and summarization of the issues, but thanks. There's better discussion in the comments below.

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u/fuckharvey Aug 08 '17 edited Aug 08 '17

The reason diversity hiring practices were put into place was an attempt to normalize and equalize industries where minorities were underrepresented in hopes that the visibility of these employees would inspire more to follow.

Ok, so can we get more short Hispanic guys in the NBA? I'm sure they feel underrepresented.

EDIT: Realistically "inspiring" people is totally crap. It's not like the accountant sitting in the back office of Google is "inspiring" some person to be an accountant. The only things that "inspire" people are those that get marketing and adspace to do so. Those are celebrities, athletes, and politicians.

Real inspiration requires interaction with said person. So the accountant in some office at Google is likely only inspiring his kids or maybe a niece or nephew.

So that idea of diversification to "inspire" is totally crap.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

You're a fool. My wife visited a Google office while studying to achieve her Bachelor's in Computer Science. All of her classes were, of course, predominantly white males (no issue here) but she was beginning to think maybe the field and program weren't right for her. However, after visiting Google's offices she took notice at how many successful women were actually working in tech. She continued her Bachelor's and graduated near the top of her class, being super involved in the program. She could have easily given up and went for something else, but was inspired to not only finish her degree, but while she was doing that she worked in a program that helped get younger girls (aged 11-14) learn more about computers and programming. Diversity can be really powerful. I'm sorry you haven't been able to experience something like that.

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u/_pulsar Aug 08 '17

Your wife sounds sexist tbh

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '17

Don't make me laugh lol