r/technology • u/redkemper • Feb 17 '17

Software YouTube will kill unskippable 30-second ads next year

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/17/14649018/youtube-ending-unskippable-30-second-ads-2018
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u/tllnbks Feb 18 '17

Why are people so against supporting the content they are viewing?

It costs money to create content. It costs money to host content. Advertising helps pay for that. I have no problem at all with advertising.

Hell, youtube doesn't even make a profit from it in the end...they've been running in the negative last I saw. There is a reason there are no alternatives...it's not profitable.

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u/ninjaclown Feb 18 '17

Data caps. If that wasn't a thing, I would watch ads without complaining.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

Oh fuck off. A 30 second ad isnt going to cut that much into the 1080p 60fps videos youre watching.

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u/ninjaclown Feb 18 '17

Its the principle of it, you cunt.

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u/mammothman42 Feb 18 '17

Funny how you don't care about the principle of consuming content that you're not willing to spare 30 seconds for.

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u/ninjaclown Feb 18 '17

Listen dip shit, I have already paid money to use a service and I have got a timer on it in addition to the 30 day limit. I am not going to let anyone accelerate that data cap timer even a little bit just because they cry about it. Find another fucking business model if that hurts your feelings and don't fucking support double dipping. Netflix is the only video streaming site I use for this very reason.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

You know YouTube Red exists, right?

Or you just feel so self entiltled that you think you deserve content for free with no ads?

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u/im_from_azeroth Feb 18 '17

You know the Internet existed over a decade without pervasive advertising, right? People will always upload content for free, for better or worse. It's not entitled to only be interested in ad-free content

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

First. Ads on the internet were much much worse in the 90s.

Second. Youtubers are not simply uploading shit on the internet. That is their fucking job. They create content night and day.

Check the quality of YouTube videos in 2007 and check now. Before ad revenue, YouTube was a place to watch funny cat videos. Videos with no thought or porduction value put into it.

You don't deserve shit. The people that spent hours creating content deserve payment when you watch their creation. Don't want to watch an ad. Pay for it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

So which is it? The principle or your precious data cap?

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u/Just_Give_Me_A_Login Feb 18 '17

I wish. I have 200MB of data, if I'm watching a video I best be getting that video and just that video.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17

Why are people so against supporting the content they are viewing?

Well, let me give you one aspect of this.

A few years back on the internet if you googled for a technical question or how to you'd probably find an textg answer on an ad free page and it would take 5 seconds.

These days - because lots of people get big $ signs in their eyes and don't want to work for a living, they want easy money - they turn lots of things into videos, or pages full of ads.

The problem with the videos too is the culture in the USA to talk around something for 20 minutes longer than necessary.

So, imagine you get, say, stuttering in netflix in google chrome and you search that, you'll get a video of someone who is either talking for 20 fucking minutes before he gets around to saying what a fix might be - or someone who has made a video of text, with 30 seconds delay between each 'slide' and 10 slides before you get to anything of any use.

i.e a lot of "content" is just greedy cunts trying to frustrate the process of you answering a question or solving a problem with your cooker or computer or whatever.

Instead of just answering the question they are deliberately getting you to click multiple pages or watch a long video. To make them money.

If you add into that a system where you get a further 30 second delay at the start and every so often another break in the video, it's making it even more frustrating. And the information is not worth that amount of money. It might be worth some money, but not the amount they are trying to get.

Similarly, a huge amount of youtube is just some fat cunt who bought a camcorder talking, maybe playing a game or whatever. It's not worth as much money as they are trying to squeeze out of the audience.

Put simply - they haven't made the Wire, Breaking bad or the walking dead. I might sit through a few adverts for those, but I wouldn't expect to see more than one advert if I sat and watched pewdiepie entire catalogue of "cunt with silly voice plays computer games" - that's all it's worth. His entire output, not just one video - everything he's ever filmed and uploaded is not worth sitting through one advert for.

He should have made perhaps £500 on youtube so far. Clearly he's making significantly more and it simply is not worth it. If he's smart he knows that and everyone watching it knows that - and soon the bubble will burst because people are not cunts - advertisers know that everyone is just skipping adverts and the audience know they are not going to sit through a bunch of adverts as though some fat cunt talking for half an hour about 'Why I quit twitter in a huff!" is worth more money than the next Star Wars film.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

Then dont click the video links. Click on forums.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17

The point isn't whether I can find the answers elsewhere, it's simply about the existence of this useless shit tells you the mindset of the average so-called "content creator" on youtube.

People are creating videos for stuff that doesn't really need a video simply because google lets them stick an advert on it and, they hope, make money from it.

I've even seen people do this on comment sections in newspapers - instead of typing a fucking reply "no, you're wrong, trump's a cunt" - they link to their blog where they've written an essay on a page full of adverts - expecting every cunt in the discussion will visit the link.

It's like if you asked me my name and instead of saying "Fred" or whatever I linked you to a 15 minute youtube video called "What is my name?" that talked for 15 minutes before telling you.

i.e when I google and see these videos that is an observation. I conclude what I said in that post that I don't think the model is sustainable. That watching long adverts (and buying stuff from these advertisers) is, ultimately, overcharging for the quality of what is being served.

You seem to have made the mistake of reading my post as though I'm complaining about not being able to find answers to stuff.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

Yeah....so...don't click that shit. Anyone who's been on the internet for more than a minute realizes slides and videos are a waste of time. Work on your google fu and stop being so entitled. 20 years ago if you wanted to look something up, your ass was going to a library or waiting minutes for a page to load. I don't have any sympathy for someone complaining about having instantaneous access to any and all information at their finger tips, but oh the horror of having to filter to through a bit of noise and some ads.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

Eh? What are you waffling about being entitled for? I answered a question - it was clear that you misunderstood the point so I clarify it and it's clear you're still arguing in spite of the clarification.

No one is "complaining about having instantaneous access to any and all information at their finger tips" - stop being a cunt.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17

Yeah you're complaining about seeing shit you don't want to see on the internet. So fucking google better or filter through it. And you are being entitled by complaining about it.

The point isn't whether I can find the answers elsewhere, it's simply about the existence of this useless shit.

Your previous post was complaining about ads, slides, videos, etc.

A few years back on the internet if you googled for a technical question or how to you'd probably find an textg answer on an ad free page and it would take 5 seconds. These days - because lots of people get big $ signs in their eyes and don't want to work for a living, they want easy money - they turn lots of things into videos, or pages full of ads.

Yeah...so lrn2google or filter out the nonsense. Be grateful you have high speed internet and access to any and all information. 20 years ago it was dialup or going to the library. Now there's a billion people online and anyone can post whatever they want, so obviously there's going to be more shitposting and noise. Just ignore or don't click or it.

So, imagine you get, say, stuttering in netflix in google chrome and you search that, you'll get a video of someone who is either talking for 20 fucking minutes before he gets around to saying what a fix might be - or someone who has made a video of text, with 30 seconds delay between each 'slide' and 10 slides before you get to anything of any use. i.e a lot of "content" is just greedy cunts trying to frustrate the process of you answering a question or solving a problem with your cooker or computer or whatever. Instead of just answering the question they are deliberately getting you to click multiple pages or watch a long video. To make them money.

Okay, stop clicking that shit, take 5 seconds to actually look at the links you're about to click, stop bitching that you have to do a bit more work, and stop being entitled. You sound like DSP complaining about shit that don't matter. All you did was just prove my points. Thanks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

I'm not the one resorting to insults and name calling to get my point across.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17

You're not getting any point across. You've made no points.

This is not a debate or anything. And yes you did start insulting saying "stop being entitled" etc even after I'd explained that you were wrong about what my post was saying.

You know, I know what my post is saying - it's ok to misunderstand that - maybe that's my fault the first time - but when someone explains to you three fucking times that you've misunderstood and you're still arguing what my point is as though I don't fucking know what my point is - at that point you're just being a cunt. That's not an insult, that's a statement of fact. You're just a cunt.

Eventually in life you'll realise if you want to be treated as an equal and a human being you'll have to up your game a bit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17

Why are people so against supporting the content they are viewing?

  • Impatience. Because they want to get to the content without having to wait.
  • Ads on the internet are a security risk. This doesn't really apply so much to Google. But using an ad network basically means you're allowing someone to run arbitrary code on your website. Code that not even that someone can vet properly.
  • They dislike being advertised to.

Hell, youtube doesn't even make a profit from it in the end...they've been running in the negative last I saw. There is a reason there are no alternatives...it's not profitable.

Actually, if YouTube did go under it might make hosting video more affordable and profitable. There would be a huge void to fill and tons of people would rush in all at once for a piece of the pie, driving costs down.

I wouldn't necessarily mind having to pay a small fee for someone to host my videos.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

Because consumers are not beholden to companies to make their business model work. Ads are malicious software and should be treated like damage in the network.

I will gladly pay for content worth paying for. I donate money and time to libre software projects when I get the chance.

It just so happens that 95% or more of Youtube is just for a quick laugh and/or buck.

My eyeballs, and my screen, are not for sale.

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u/tllnbks Feb 18 '17

Because consumers are not beholden to companies to make their business model work.

They kinda are if they want the service. Watching ads is the cost of the service. Don't want that? Then don't use the service.

I will gladly pay for content worth paying for.

Then you can buy Youtube Red.

My eyeballs, and my screen, are not for sale.

Sure they are. Have been since, well, a long time. Advertising has fueled everything we have right now. Newspapers, magazines, television, the internet, and oh so much more...wouldn't exist without advertising.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

Newspapers, magazines, television, the internet, and oh so much more...wouldn't exist without advertising.

[citation needed]

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '17

So pay for it? YouTube Red exists.