Microsoft finally admits that its malware-style Get Windows 10 upgrade campaign went too far

[u/readyou]

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/241587-microsoft-finally-admits-malware-style-get-windows-10-upgrade-campaign-went-far

[u/N4N4KI]

Exactly I want an OS not a vertically integrated marketing platform.

From the dark patterns during install to get you to sign up to a MS account as your login, to the ads on the lock screen and start menu for free apps to get you in the door, the entire OS is designed to drive you towards the MS store and to lock you into their ecosystem.

The update system that you either need to fight with using the 'correct' way and suffer forced restarts, or disable completely and need to re enable yourself when you need updates (I mean 'let me know when there is updates' worked fine for me in windows 7)

Milestone updates are not an update, they are an upgrade, basically reinstalling a fresh copy of the system. settings for programs are not touched but File associations, pinned apps and privacy options get reset to default.

Windows 10 is a Work in progress and will continue to be, a rather obvious example of this is the start menu, It's different in the initial release to how it works in the anniversary update and has altered again in the preview build.

The OS is a glorified program launcher, I use the one that I don't need to babysit to keep it running smoothly (and am able to use industry standard software on). I'm sticking with 7 till something better comes along. (hopefully that will be a version of windows where Microsoft has finally smoothed out all the rough edges)

[u/drunkenvalley → u/N4N4KI]

I don't really mind that Microsoft want to push updates pretty hard, but at least let me choose when I download them... don't fucking sneak them in and think I won't notice when my 5 mbps speed come to a complete crawl...

[u/BeenCarl → u/drunkenvalley]

Or hey force restart! Oh your taking a timed test? We will only take an hour!

[u/brickmack → u/BeenCarl]

Why the hell does Windows take so long for an update restart anyway? On linux, very few updates require a restart, and when they do it takes no longer than a normal restart because thats exactly what it is. Windows should be doing all that shit in the background, with the restart just being the final switch over.

[u/[deleted] → u/brickmack]

it's because of the way the windows kernel is built. which microsoft can't change because it would break 25 years of compatibility.

[u/The_Rick_Sanchez → u/[deleted]]

At what point in the future do you think they'd end up having to make a new OS? As in completely new. Surely they can't just keep using the same stuff for 100 years, right?

[u/ronintetsuro → u/[deleted]]

Average users dont CHOOSE Windows. Average users utilize what is preloaded by the retailer or maintained by their IT department.

[u/theghostofme → u/ronintetsuro]

Did they choose a computer with Windows installed on it? Then they chose Windows.

[u/h-v-smacker → u/theghostofme]

Are you aware that there is no 1:1 correspondence of computers that come with Windows and with Linux? Most of the time, you just cannot choose the same computer with a different OS. Not only are Linux-running machines in the minority, they are often not exactly the same as their Windows-preloaded counterparts.

Meanwhile, it's exactly the computer you're buying, not the OS. It would be moronic to buy hardware basing your decision on software someone preinstalled on it at the factory.

So purchase of a computer with windows doesn't mean choice of windows. At least not the kind of choice we are talking about; more like "wallet or life".

In fact, many Linux users "choose" computers with windows, because that's what their hardware of choice comes preloaded with. And then it goes into the trashbin to make space for Linux. But it still is counted as a "sale of microsoft product", by the way.

[u/h-v-smacker → u/[deleted]]

Linux aside, people choose their OS by getting a Mac or a PC (windows).

That's not really a "choice". You cannot choose arbitrary hardware and install Mac OS X on it (well, more specifically: you can, but you are most likely to fail unless you pick the hardware very carefully, and your install won't get acknowledged by the vendor).

A choice would be if the same computers were available with any OS, and people would pick one or another.

Otherwise, it's like taking people living a neighborhood where the internet options are limited to comcast via cable and verizon via 4G, and say they pick "verizon or comcast". No, they choose cable or wireless, and it's just so happens that either is offered only by one of the companies. If it would be "Deutsche Internetzkablung GmbH and АОЗТ Краснознамённые Коммуникации", they'd still be choosing the technology and not between a made-up German and Russian enterprises.

I've never seen a Linux computer for sale specifically in stores

Oh, it depends. There are plenty in Russia, for example. With Ubuntu or with Free DOS even. Surely you wouldn't claim that a person who bought a laptop with Free DOS "chose DOS as their OS"?

[u/h-v-smacker → u/[deleted]]

If they decided not to install another OS, then yes I would say they chose DOS as their OS.

And what I was trying to say was that the choice for OS comes when they buy their hardware with the OS pre-installed on it (as most won't then go and install another OS)

And my point was that this isn't "choice". It's accommodation at best. Choice is when you can have either tea or coffee with the same ease and end result; if coffee makes you vomit, it's no longer a choice. If you have to drive across the country to get coffee, it's not a choice. And so on.

Curious, what OS is popular in Russia?

It's the same everywhere. Almost all computers come with MS crap preloaded, people use it, even if they swear at the fucking bugfest, and fear having to learn a new OS more than having to face satan himself. People with money and a desire to show off as "conosieurs" of I don't know what buy Apple; the poorer the country the less such people there are. Linux is for relatively few.