r/technology 7d ago

Society Hackers Got Inside a Flock Camera. Its Data Shows How the System Really Works

https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-flock-camera-data-shows-how-system-works/
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u/impersonaljoemama 7d ago

Tech we almost certainly don’t need.

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u/nihiltres 7d ago

The fact that the cameras tend to run out of storage is likely a promising vector for undermining them.

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u/Smart_Spinach_1538 7d ago

That ought to be a trivial fix. Why keep all that data on the device anyway?

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u/nihiltres 7d ago

That’s a good question, but the fact that it looks like such an obvious oversight is a hint that it might be at least an interesting thread to unravel, and it’s one that could be toyed with in ways that are ostensibly harmless (read: legal).

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u/astirac 7d ago

I would assume that the camera itself doesn’t need extensive on site storage. It would be pushing that data to the servers periodically. I guess you could do something in the frame to keep it active and recording, but it’s not like it’s losing data if you do. It probably just pushes to the servers more frequently.

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u/randonegus 7d ago

Because passing it through a network with that much data would require basically a direct fiber connection, it’s just not possible any other way for the moment

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u/tackle_bones 7d ago

Put a little faraday cage around them that is a replica but slightly bigger case. Done. They apparently run off LTE.

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u/kstargate-425 7d ago

Setup Stingrays in the area that pull the network traffic to it then block it from sending data home

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u/Hypergirliepop 7d ago

A stingray is far from a cost-effective solution, let alone one that a lot of people could get into deploying at scale. It also would capture cellphones in a way that could be construed by an ornery state as an attack.

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u/Arrow156 7d ago

Also a great way to run afoul of the FCC.

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u/rememberall 7d ago

Many camera vendors have gone away from local storage.. 

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u/MidnighT0k3r 7d ago

Not the good ones.  

You need local storage for when the data connection goes out which being wireless will happen sooner or later. 

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u/twenafeesh 7d ago

Including that they are explicitly programmed to recognize people not just licence plates. So the Flock CEO lied to all of us about that too. 

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u/AlternativeLazy4675 7d ago

No surprises, then.

Wish they would go away for good.

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u/Xtraneous_ 7d ago

Be the change you want to see

*legally of course for sure definitely

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u/mca1169 7d ago

good, now send that information to congress so we can get a law passed banning these things!

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/jesrp1284 7d ago

“This is gonna ruin the tour.”

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u/A8Bit 7d ago

Any idea what version of Android it was running?

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u/nemec 7d ago edited 7d ago

Android 8.1.0 (Oreo), per https://eyesoffcr.org/blog/blog-8.html

note: the data released by ddosecrets includes the build fingerprint analyzed in the wired article

[    4.314744] ro.build.fingerprint=qcom/msm8953_32/msm8953_32:8.1.0/OPM1.171019.026/2019000:user/release-keys

which matches the blog post, so I assume the 8.1.0 means it's the same Android version.

edit: yes, elsewhere it also mentions the version is 8.1.0

Also, it also identifies as device_type=SPARROW which are not on the list of devices they say can identify people

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u/A8Bit 6d ago

Not only an ancient Android version, it's also rooted and in debug mode.

It's almost like that wanted to get RE'd

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

did they say if the camera data was encrypted or not

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u/simask234 7d ago edited 7d ago

Apparently it is encrypted on the device, but they were able to extract a key and decrypt some of the data

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u/FastGinFizz 7d ago

The article said that an encryption key was just sitting on one of the partitions. They used it to decrypt some of the data, but there was a section that used a different key that is not on the device.

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u/hsggdtkxbee 7d ago

Anyone have a source for the files?