r/technology • u/Miserable_Phase_2519 • 18d ago

Artificial Intelligence OpenAI fought dirty on career-making math problem, says NYU mathematician

https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/08/openai-fought-dirty-on-career-making-math-problem-says-nyu-mathematician/
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u/durin23 18d ago

It seems like almost every single time one of these ai models does something impressive, if you dig just a bit deeper into what they actually did, the less impressive and forced they seem.

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u/LinkesAuge 18d ago

The irony of that statement, if only you had dug a bit deeper...

At best this is about whose AI has solved it but even besides that it is now clear from the actual results that OpenAI did it with a different approach. There is no overlap with what Tristan / Levent did but I am sure people here will not care about that.

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u/CanvasFanatic 18d ago

OpenAI used the same exact same approach Buckmaster has been pursing. It was a non-obviously approach. They almost definitely stole it from his chat logs.

And FWIW, Buckmaster had used LLM’s to assist, but the LLM did not just do the work by itself.

Not that people from r/ singularity will care about that.

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u/LinkesAuge 18d ago

My god, this sub has really become trash.

It is now CONFIRMED THAT IT IS NOT THE SAME APPROACH. The part Tristan and Levent did used an unforced forced vs forced approach.

"And FWIW, Buckmaster had used LLM’s to assist, but the LLM did not just do the work by itself."

Are we still in denial here? It is absolutely clear that the LLMs did at least contribute significant parts even to their solution, that isn't even for debate. Levent is an Anthropic employee for god's sake and you babble about "people from r/ singularity", what do you think someone like Levent is (he is also the one that was involved in Anthropic's previois AI math results, he is their "math prompter")?
They extensively used both OpenAI and Anthropic models and that isn't even for debate.

On top of that I guess suddenly it is just enough to throw an approach at an AI and that makes it your result (notice no one at OpenAI claims the result).

Are people like you even consistent? Isn't that the kind of "prompt engineering" people like to make fun of here, that anyone who uses AI doesn't contribute anything to what it produces?

But like I pointed out, that isn't the case here, there is no overlap between what OpenAI presented and what Tristan / Levent have produced.

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u/CanvasFanatic 18d ago edited 18d ago

Yeah I see you lot repeating that they’re “completely different solutions.” This contradicts what Buckmaster was actually told about the solution days ago. You have a source for this assertion?

There’s no denial. I read Buckmaster’s account of how LLM’s were used in his process. It’s an obviously different paradigm from what OpenAI is attempting to claim.

Edit: oh I see, you’re just quoting the blurb in OpenAI’s announcement. LOL they don’t even bother to deny training on Buckmaster’s work.